Turkey's last warning to the West before it's too late

[T-Rex]

How is Al Sisi a bad guy?

This is coming from a champion of democracy and human rights!

 

[wiseone2]

What are those rules you are blabbering about, why don't you clarify? I tell you it's not about rules, rather it's about twisting and violating those rules. Don't try your gangey analysis on this forum.

Europeans have clear expectations on human rights, secularism and minority rights

 

[mike2000 is back]

But his 'tough talking' is actually causing ruckus in his country. All these stupid moves to fund Syrian opposition, support the oil mafia, creating unrest which eventually spilled into his own country, costing hundreds of Turkish people their lives etc have been ruinous to Turkey's safe, respected and reliable image.

Furthermore, Erdogan's recent rhetoric on not allowing election campaigning and blatant demographic threat has resulted in some serious tensions I mean seriously, who campaigns for elections abroad? At the most citizens living abroad can vote for their candidates through their embassies. That's it.

But campaigning is way too much.

As for blaming EU to harbour PKK factions, there are other ways of solving that issue than openly challenging and threatening them. Let's face it; EU doesn't really have a good record when it comes to giving refuge to wanted fugitive and shady organisations from non-Western countries. There are many living in European countries who are enemies of India. But you don't see us threatening every EU country diplomatically.

RTE screwed Turkey's relations with Russia, with the Middle East (dividded opinion) and is now doing it with the West.

I don't understand what he plans to achieve by burning down everything that Turkey stands for.



If that were the case, Europe would have greatly benefitted from a non-intervention policy. Sadly, your politicians don't get the concept of non-interference, except probably the Swiss/Austrian/Liechtenstein/Monaco/Luxembourg type of countries. But inflaming tensions between other countries, taking geo-political sides and even questioning others' internal matter is a problem most NATO members/EU countries suffer from, especially the prominent ones.



That's simply due to the teachings of Ataturk. I became his fan since the day I read his biography and visited Turkey. The man has truly earned his country's respect.



How is Al Sisi a bad guy?

He's the reason Egypt hasn't turned into a madhouse yet.

He's also the only strong leader right now in the MENA region.

Well, as i said before, i don't think we should take Erdogan's political ramblings seriously. It's just political as i said earlier. I doubt he himself believe what he says. Lol. It's just campaign rhetoric. Even though i admit he has taken it too far by labeling the Netherlands and Germany as Nazis extremists countries and Europe as Euro Nazis etc etc. I don't know what got into his head. Lol However, i understand his reasons (judging by the upcoming referendum he is trying to pass granting him more powers).
I do believe the E.U should follow our example and stop being too vocal about Turkey's Erdogan's policies and rights issues. Yes, they can advice and recommend Turkey diplomatically as a close E.U partner to improve human rights and stuffs, but that should be it , just like Britain has been doing. Taking any further action should be discouraged. At the end of the day it's their business to sort their stuffs out themselves. Bar a civil war , revolution by the people or conflict like it happened in Syria, Libya, or Yemen we should stay out of it. If the Turkish people want a dictator or not it's none of our business, at most we can call on the government or advice them diplomatically to improve human rights but that should be it, we should carry out our business with the country as usual, especially when it's not an enemy/rival. Period. Win-Win for both sides.

 

[Tshering22]

When did I claim that you did?



Erdogan does not interfere in your business. PKK is a terrorist entity in Turkey and you Europeans provide shelter to these terrorists, so you interfere in his business.



It is the propaganda of the terrorist sympathizers, Edrdogan has no concentration camps in Turkey but I think he should set up one for those who shelter PKK terrorists on their soil.



We know that you support not only al sissy but al isis too. That's why we say you guys are terrorist sympathizers, something should be done to stop this support to the terrorists in Muslim lands coming for your land.



What are those rules you are blabbering about, why don't you clarify? I tell you it's not about rules, rather it's about twisting and violating those rules. Don't try your gangey analysis on this forum.

Dada, what's with you and the bold text all the time?

 

[ValerioAurelius]

German politician Sarah Wagenknecht said it right today.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...necht-nennt-erdogan-terroristen-14945699.html

"Erdogan is a terrorist spreading terrorist propaganda. This and nothing more. "

She further says that Turkey is similar to the Nazi rule in the late 30th of the 20th century. She says any appeasement is fruitless

 

[T-Rex]

Dada, what's with you and the bold text all the time?

Your didi likes it this way.

Europeans have clear expectations on human rights, secularism and minority rights

They talk of rights, they are not willing to give to others. The world expects better from them.

 

[T-Rex]

The world can kiss our ***. You make the very same mistake again. You assume we owe you something.

It was in response to what you Europeans expect from us, dumb a$$!

 

[ValerioAurelius]

It was in response to what you Europeans expect from us, dumb a$$!

I expect nothing from you. I want the biggest possible distance. Both socially, culturally and also physical. We can have trade. Majority of Europeans couldnt care less what systems you run in your countries.

 

[T-Rex]

I expect nothing from you. I want the biggest possible distance. Both socially, culturally and also physical. We can have trade. Majority of Europeans couldnt care less what systems you run in your countries.

One of your minions was claiming that. BTW, why do you take it personally? We are not interested in you as a person. If you claim that you are the official spokesperson of EU it won't be very unnatural from a donkey. Where we live everyday and night the Europeans try to tell what is expected of us by them. We would have loved the distance you talk of but that's the last thing we're going to get from them though you're going to pretend that you are not aware of it. So, why don't you just get lost?

 

[T-Rex]

I´m not taking it personal. I express what the majority of europeans think. If you think a european citizen cares about your well being than you are mistaken.

You make the mistake to think public rhetoric is identical to what people feel and believe. Do you honestly believe any unelected EU official from brussel cares what europeans believe or think? Why you think the far right wins so much in Europe? Because we are sick of this shit.

The point is your leaders expect something from us and as far as we are concerned that's as good as expectation from you. What you feel at home is none of our concern but what your leaders tell as is what matters. You say that your people don't care about rest of the world and I believe you but can't make my people believe it for your leaders falsely claim in God's name that they are the saviours of the world. You are so honest about it now because there's no way to hide it, people are a lot more conscious. So, next time when your blood sucking leaders visit us and try to convince us that they care about us more than our Holy Prophet I'll quote you to them.

 

[Tshering22]

Your didi likes it this way.
They talk of rights, they are not willing to give to others. The world expects better from them.

Like what?

Change their demography? Demand sharia?

I don't think anyone would accept it.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

The point is your leaders expect something from us and as far as we are concerned that's as good as expectation from you. What you feel at home is none of our concern but what your leaders tell as is what matters. You say that your people don't care about rest of the world and I believe you but can't make my people believe it for your leaders falsely claim in God's name that they are the saviours of the world. You are so honest about it now because there's no way to hide it, people are a lot more conscious. So, next time when your blood sucking leaders visit us and try to convince us that they care about us more than our Holy Prophet I'll quote you to them.

I assure you my "leaders" show openly what they think about "human rights".

In 2009 i was 16 years old and did fly to Libya as part of a youth delegation to Gaddafis gigantic 40th anniversary celebration. I knew Gaddafi was no angel but it was a great show and we had a nice hotel. Thts what i mean. Its none of our business how others rule their country

 

[T-Rex]

I assure you my "leaders" show openly what they think about "human rights".

I assure you your leaders are crooks of the highest order and you're no better.

In 2009 i was 16 years old and did fly to Libya as part of a youth delegation to Gaddafis gigantic 40th anniversary celebration. I knew Gaddafi was no angel but it was a great show and we had a nice hotel. Thts what i mean. Its none of our business how others rule their country

I assure you your Zionist masters don't agree to your idea. They will agree to it only partially. It is none of our business what goes on inside western or other non-Muslim countries but they(non-Muslim countries) make it their business whether we have Islamic rule or secular rule.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

I assure you your leaders are crooks of the highest order and you're no better.



I assure you your Zionist masters don't agree to your idea. They will agree to it only partially. It is none of our business what goes on inside western or other non-Muslim countries but they(non-Muslim countries) make it their business whether we have Islamic rule or secular rule.

All we care for is that your people make cheap clothes.

 

[T-Rex]

All we care for is that your people make cheap clothes.

As it stands we don't care what you care for and whom you bite with your venomous fangs. Stay away from our lands and if you don't, the policies of your puppets among us will drown you with refugees. You reap what you sow.