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Turkey's last warning to the West before it's too late

This post was one of my replies to an another member whom i know from other threads and is a known anti everything good troller, how does it concern u might i ask?
If you talk disrespectful about the founding father of my nation,it concern me very much and is seen as an insult to me and my nation.
It doesnt matter if you replied to a troll or not.
Just be glad that i was nice because of the fact that you are a Pakistani.
The next time,i wont be.
 
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I understood what u meant to say at the beggining, i just disagreed with ur way of saying it, things have always been what they were, we are 2 muslim nations pakistan and bd so we must naturaly set aside our differences and strive collectively against india i agree with u, u will see a sincere pakistan protecting and fighting for bangladesh against indian agression, may Allah bring u to the light and grant you a more appropriate way of conversation with freinds, u see my freind the corrupt elite in pakistan dont matter cause apart from their little traitorous episodes they dont hold any real power, the power in pakistan rests with patriots of army and isi but such is not the case in bangladesh, u have a direct anti islam, anti pakistan govt in place who wants to make u a slave to india, so tell we are people struggling against haseena in bd?, are the next elections gonna bring some change??

Elections are orchestrated by the ruling party stooges disguised as officials of the election commission. The elections are like what happens in NK. Therefore, the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
 
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Can we just stop this nonsense and be done with it?

For our point of view it is clear Turkey will never join us or be seen as one of us.

No european nation ever trusted Turkey in any way.

All this "future EU " membership Drama was nothing but a diplomatic fiction. Evryone knew it will never happen.

Nobody trusts Turkey in NATO as well. I deeply believe this should end with a clear cut and thats it.

You guys are sooooooo suckular that you simply could not view Turkey beyond her Muslim identity even when she was thoroughly western and suckular. Of course we knew from the very beginning how it would end, knowing all too well just how liberal they really are. Their liberal ideas vanish into thin air the moment they confront anything Islamic.
 
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You guys are sooooooo suckular that you simply could not view Turkey beyond her Muslim identity even when she was thoroughly western and suckular. Of course we knew from the very beginning how it would end, knowing all too well just how liberal they really are. Their liberal ideas vanish into thin air the moment they confront anything Islamic.


we have constant war with turkey since several hundred years. There is not a single positive event between Italy and Turkey in all of history. This has nothing to do with liberal or not. Just how things are.
 
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we have constant war with turkey since several hundred years. There is not a single positive event between Italy and Turkey in all of history. This has nothing to do with liberal or not. Just how things are.

It has everything to do with your false claim of being liberal and Turkey being illiberal.
 
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I´m not liberal amigo. I´m imperial in my way of thinking. For me tolerance is weakness.

As Aristoteles said: Tolerance is the last virtue of a dieing man. I´m for power. I´m for crushing evryone who oposses what we stand for. I find it hilarious you would call me liberal.

It doesnt matter if Turkey is muslim or christian. Even when it was still christian it was target of Italian politics since it was seen as rival. Rome actively tried to undermine the Byzantium to take them out.

Turkey is not and can never be an allie of Europe in any way. No matter what it does. Its a diplomatic illussion.

Why do you take it personally, amigo? You does not mean you in my post, it refers to those Europeans who claim themselves to be the guardians of human rights and so many other notions like that.
 
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Why do you take it personally, amigo? You does not mean you in my post, it refers to those Europeans who claim themselves to be the guardians of human rights and so many other notions like that.


Most europeans give a shit about human rights. We see those as our rights. I assure you i have zero interest to put our high standards on evryone. You make the mistake to believe some small loud NGO are our voice
 
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Most europeans give a shit about human rights. We see those as our rights.

That's what we say about you guys but your minions in this subcontinent and elsewhere say we lie about you. Thanks for being so honest about it. We all know that deep inside the 'enlightened' Europeans like you believe that people of other races don't have any human rights for they are 'subhumans' as Hitler put it. Actually the world never got rid of the Nazi ideas, they just got rid of Hitler. Nazi ideas are thriving in Europe and the land of freedom as we speak.
 
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That's what we say about you guys but your minions in this subcontinent and elsewhere say we lie about you. Thanks for being so honest about it. We all know that deep inside the 'enlightened' Europeans like you believe that people of other races don't have any human rights for they are 'subhumans' as Hitler put it. Actually the world never got rid of the Nazi ideas, they just got rid of Hitler. Nazi ideas are thriving in Europe and the land of freedom as we speak.

Wrong. What makes you believe it should be my concern to care for your human rights? Its your duty to care for your own. I have zero responsibility for you and your people. If you chose dictatorship and torture to be ok, so be it. I believe thats common sense.

Can we agree that our own principles are only important for us? This has nothing to do with racism. You are grown up people.
 
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Sure, Turkey is the most powerful economy in the Middle East, but these kind of articles simply look like an instrument of distraction while Mr. Erdogan consolidates his political power further.

Turkey as a political entity is far more smart, mature and realistic in its assessment of global powers
Well said, i was about to say the same thing. All this tough talk is just for local political consumption. Both sides will keep cooperating economically, politically and even military. Erdogan is simply talking tough for obvious political reasons, since he wants to be granted more powers as president, so after the referendum i expect his radical rhetoric to calm down significantly. He is no fool to leave NATO/E.U or the West which he knows will affect Turkey' security and economy to a point of no return. So people should calm down and wait for Erdogan to win win his referendum after that life with return to normal. :)
I don't even why some people in the west care about Erdogan gaining even ore power(or even being a dictator), who cares if he is? Not our business, as far as we benefit from mutual cooperation and export defence equipments to Turkey it's a win -win for both sides, it should be Turks themselves concern not ours, if they want a dictator or not it's none of our business, we should only be focused on our national interests, so EU leaders should follow Britain's lead in this regard. :)

You have a beautiful country with great cultural values. Turkey has been probably the most politically reliable and stable country in entire Euro-middle eastern region.
Having been there myself, i agree completely with your statement. Also one of the most open/liberal/secular Muslim country in the region and one of the most advanced as well.
 
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Wrong. What makes you believe it should be my concern to care for your human rights? Its your duty to care for your own. I have zero responsibility for you and your people. If you chose dictatorship and torture to be ok, so be it. I believe thats common sense.

Can we agree that our own principles are only important for us? This has nothing to do with racism. You are grown up people.

Wrong, we never asked you to take responsibility for us. We simply ask you to stop propping up despots like sissy. We ask you to stop falsely accusing democratically elected leader like Erdogan of human rights violations. Nobody willingly chooses fascist scums, they are always imposed by your minions.
 
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Wrong, we never asked you to take responsibility for us. We simply ask you to stop propping up despots like sissy. We ask you to stop falsely accusing democratically elected leader like Erdogan of human rights violations. Nobody willingly chooses fascist scums, they are always imposed by your minions.


I dont care about your life, your future or what happenes to your people. What i care for is our future and well being. I dont care if Erdogan becomes a dictator as long he doesnt interfer in our interests. I dont care if Erdogan installs concentration camps and kills thousands inside Turkey.

I support al-Sisi as long he keeps the hordes away and makes business with us. Just as Italy loved Gaddafi. I believe thats a reasonable way of thinking.
 
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Things would have calmed down if they had not given permission for rally to the PKK terrorists. Turkey is no Pakistan, it won't accept the way the Europeans are supporting terrorism against Turkey. Things are already nasty in Turkey for those PKK terrorists and now Turkey will make sure that things get nasty in Europe too.

It is self-inflicted wounds for Turkey
Turkey wants to be part of Europe without playing by the rules of European states
It is not going to work
 
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I dont care about your life, your future or what happenes to your people.

When did I claim that you did?


I dont care if Erdogan becomes a dictator as long he doesnt interfer in our interests.

Erdogan does not interfere in your business. PKK is a terrorist entity in Turkey and you Europeans provide shelter to these terrorists, so you interfere in his business.


I dont care if Erdogan installs concentration camps and kills thousands inside Turkey.

It is the propaganda of the terrorist sympathizers, Edrdogan has no concentration camps in Turkey but I think he should set up one for those who shelter PKK terrorists on their soil.

I support al-Sisi as long he keeps the hordes away and makes business with us. Just as Italy loved Gaddafi. I believe thats a reasonable way of thinking.

We know that you support not only al sissy but al isis too. That's why we say you guys are terrorist sympathizers, something should be done to stop this support to the terrorists in Muslim lands coming for your land.


It is self-inflicted wounds for Turkey
Turkey wants to be part of Europe without playing by the rules of European states
It is not going to work

What are those rules you are blabbering about, why don't you clarify? I tell you it's not about rules, rather it's about twisting and violating those rules. Don't try your gangey analysis on this forum.
 
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Well said, i was about to say the same thing. All this tough talk is just for local political consumption. Both sides will keep cooperating economically, politically and even military. Erdogan is simply talking tough for obvious political reasons, since he wants to be granted more powers as president, so after the referendum i expect his radical rhetoric to calm down significantly. He is no fool to leave NATO/E.U or the West which he knows will affect Turkey' security and economy to a point of no return. So people should calm down and wait for Erdogan to win win his referendum after that life with return to normal. :)

But his 'tough talking' is actually causing ruckus in his country. All these stupid moves to fund Syrian opposition, support the oil mafia, creating unrest which eventually spilled into his own country, costing hundreds of Turkish people their lives etc have been ruinous to Turkey's safe, respected and reliable image.

Furthermore, Erdogan's recent rhetoric on not allowing election campaigning and blatant demographic threat has resulted in some serious tensions I mean seriously, who campaigns for elections abroad? At the most citizens living abroad can vote for their candidates through their embassies. That's it.

But campaigning is way too much.

As for blaming EU to harbour PKK factions, there are other ways of solving that issue than openly challenging and threatening them. Let's face it; EU doesn't really have a good record when it comes to giving refuge to wanted fugitive and shady organisations from non-Western countries. There are many living in European countries who are enemies of India. But you don't see us threatening every EU country diplomatically.

RTE screwed Turkey's relations with Russia, with the Middle East (dividded opinion) and is now doing it with the West.

I don't understand what he plans to achieve by burning down everything that Turkey stands for.

I don't even why some people in the west care about Erdogan gaining even ore power(or even being a dictator), who cares if he is? Not our business, as far as we benefit from mutual cooperation and export defence equipments to Turkey it's a win -win for both sides, it should be Turks themselves concern not ours, if they want a dictator or not it's none of our business, we should only be focused on our national interests, so EU leaders should follow Britain's lead in this regard. :)

If that were the case, Europe would have greatly benefitted from a non-intervention policy. Sadly, your politicians don't get the concept of non-interference, except probably the Swiss/Austrian/Liechtenstein/Monaco/Luxembourg type of countries. But inflaming tensions between other countries, taking geo-political sides and even questioning others' internal matter is a problem most NATO members/EU countries suffer from, especially the prominent ones.

Having been there myself, i agree completely with your statement. Also one of the most open/liberal/secular Muslim country in the region and one of the most advanced as well.

That's simply due to the teachings of Ataturk. I became his fan since the day I read his biography and visited Turkey. The man has truly earned his country's respect.

We know that you support not only al sissy but al isis too. That's why we say you guys are terrorist sympathizers, something should be done to stop this support to the terrorists in Muslim lands coming for your land.

How is Al Sisi a bad guy? :blink:

He's the reason Egypt hasn't turned into a madhouse yet.

He's also the only strong leader right now in the MENA region.
 
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