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Turkey has seen an upheaval in its foreign and domestic politics, exacerbated by the near-disastrous coup attempt on 15 July.

In view of the current "frost" in the AKP government's relations with both the US and the EU, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's decision to choose Russia for his first official visit abroad since the botched coup appears rich in symbolism.

And Western leaders will be looking on nervously.

The EU's migrant deal with Turkey has run into trouble and the US is under pressure to extradite self-exiled Islamic leader Fethullah Gulen, whom Turkey blames for the coup.

But Tuesday's visit is not a snap decision by the Turkish state in reaction to a perceived lack of visible and credible Western support in times of crisis, nor is it in appreciation of President Putin's swift support.

The history goes farther back than that.

Some years ago Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey's then foreign minister and later prime minister, coined the slogan "Zero problems with all neighbours" as Turkey adapted its policy to meet the wave of changes during the so-called Arab Spring.

By the end of last year, the Turkish leadership had problems with all its neighbours and partners and a diminishing crowd of friends, because of negative developments in Syria and Iraq as well as failures in Turkish policy.

And as Turkey's security interests have worsened in Syria, with Kurdish militants either side of the border, it has clearly become a strategic necessity for Ankara to bow to realities and look for opportunities for an honourable retreat.

This applies in particular to the Turkish government´s policy towards Russia.

Earlier relations were based essentially and pragmatically on a number of points of economic interdependence.

Turkey needed Russian petroleum deliveries, access to nuclear and other elements of technology. It also relied on access to the Russian market and a continued flow of Russian tourists.

Russia needed Turkey's energy market and its territory too, to transport energy supplies.

Both also had a joint interest in basic stability in the Black Sea area, in view of the1936 Montreux Declaration on access to the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits.

But the downing of the Russian SU-24 fighter jet on 24 November 2015 dramatically raised Turkish-Russian tensions within weeks of Russia's military intervention backing up President Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

Syria's leader has become President Erdogan's sworn enemy of late. and Mr Putin's ensuing punitive actions have hurt Turkey economically and politically.

Resetting relations
It came as no surprise when Turkey signalled a change in policy in mid-May.

Out went Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and in came Binali Yildirim, who soon announced that the time had come for Turkey to "decrease the number of enemies and increase the number of friends", clearly alluding to Russia and Israel for starters.

Since then President Erdogan has issued some kind of rare "apology", deemed politically sufficient by team Putin - although Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has insisted that sustainable normalisation will depend on how the two countries co-operate in the quagmire of the Syria crisis.

Mr Erdogan takes to St Petersburg a very broad agenda and a huge delegation. The two states are expected to reset the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project, as well as cover nuclear power plant construction and perhaps other energy related items.

They will also include resuming tourism, food exports and construction, which have all been hit hard since Russia imposed sanctions in November.

Presumably some efforts will also be made to clear the way for some understanding on Syria.

But the symbolic nature of this visit within weeks of the botched coup is far from lost on those in the US and EU who are searching for signs of possible permanent policy change.

Turkey is after all a key Nato power. And it has new sensitivities since the traumatic events of 15 July, while the West has been uneasy at President Erdogan's heavy-handedness before and especially since the attempted coup.

To the delight of President Putin, Mr Erdogan is presumably happy to keep the West wondering, and sweating, for now.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37009931
 
Edrogan is doing the right thing, but unfortunately digging his own grave at the same time.

West can not be trusted.
But then Russia cant be trusted either.
 
Edrogan is doing the right thing, but unfortunately digging his own grave at the same time.

West can not be trusted.
But then Russia cant be trusted either.

you need decades to build strong partnership, one meeting will not change anything, the most this meeting can do is, it will bring Russia and Turkey to position before Turkey shot down Russian Jet..
 
you need decades to build strong partnership, one meeting will not change anything, the most this meeting can do is, it will bring Russia and Turkey to position before Turkey shot down Russian Jet..

You cant change this position in decades either.
This meeting/effort will bring Russia and Turkey much more closer than before, but it wont end the rivalry.

Who said we trusted anyone?

You talk like a Turk buddy.

Any chance to interchange your president with our PM? for 10 years :D
 
You can just barrow him for couple years not keep him :smokin:

meanwhile our country is in safe hands now the people has taken care of bussines

You are missing the other side of the deal, our PM will be your President.
He is gonna ruin everything that Edrogan has done so far!
 
@MarkusS @flamer84

Did BBC also called Turkey a "key NATO power" :lol:

But but but...Turkey is Africa that relies on the "good will" of "Europeans" (as if punny little states of Europe other than a few matter on world stage :lol:)


of course its a key NATO location. That doesnt change the fact that large parts of its eastern population lives under conditions like Botswana.

Egypt is also a key partner but a shithole for its people. The state of their people is totally irrelevant.
 
of course its a key NATO location. That doesnt change the fact that large parts of its eastern population lives under conditions like Botswana.

Egypt is also a key partner but a shithole for its people. The state of their people is totally irrelevant.

:lol:

No, nobody is discussing location here.

Key NATO "Power" is what the reality here is..Azerbaijan wouldn't be called a key NATO power for all it's location...

Nor is irrelevant Italy any sort of modern power...

Hopefully ur party floza italia wins...i'll love to see some ripples in stagant/stale europe :lol:
 
:lol:

No, nobody is discussing location here.

Key NATO "Power" is what the reality here is..Azerbaijan wouldn't be called a key NATO power for all it's location...

Nor is irrelevant Italy any sort of modern power...

Hopefully ur party floza italia wins...i'll love to see some ripples in stagant/stale europe :lol:


It controls the bosporus.

Large parts of its population live under conditions that show absolute poverty. And their poverty disgusts me. Being poor is a choice.

I think you lack one certain thing. I dont care how they are. They could all lay in the dirt and ruled by Kim Jong Un as long they fullfill their obligations.

Italy is in the G7 and one of the leading economic powers on this planet. But i wont go that way again.

How is your business doing? Evrything alright? Family ok?
 
It controls the bosporus.

Large parts of its population live under conditions that show absolute poverty. And their poverty disgusts me. Being poor is a choice.

I think you lack one certain thing. I dont care how they are. They could all lay in the dirt and ruled by Kim Jong Un as long they fullfill their obligations.

Italy is in the G7 and one of the leading economic powers on this planet. But i wont go that way again.

How is your business doing? Evrything alright? Family ok?
Lol, you visited Turkey, where did you saw poverty exactly ?
 
Lol, you visited Turkey, where did you saw poverty exactly ?


I visited Istanbul and Izmir. Looked fine so far. But i heared in the east its very bad.

That said you must do something against beggers. It was worst in Ephesos. The moment you left the area you got swarmed from really poor looking people who want sell you some shit or just beg for money. I had to take my girls hand because she was scared. There was a group of japanese who are not used to that and you could see they were really shocked.

We disagree on a lot of things but i guess we can at least agree that such things are not really good for your reputation.
 
I visited Istanbul and Izmir. Looked fine so far. But i heared in the east its very bad.

That said you must do something against beggers. It was worst in Ephesos. The moment you left the area you got swarmed from really poor looking people who want sell you some shit or just beg for money. I had to take my girls hand because she was scared. There was a group of japanese who are not used to that and you could see they were really shocked.

We disagree on a lot of things but i guess we can at least agree that such things are not really good for your reputation.
Syrians. :meeting:

You can take them all in if don't see beggars in Turkey. We don't give them money like you do.....
 
Syrians. :meeting:

You can take them all in if don't see beggars in Turkey. We don't give them money like you do.....

We dont give them money in italy. We put them into camps on sicily. I dont know why you let them run wild.
 
We dont give them money in italy. We put them into camps on sicily. I dont know why you let them run wild.
If you put them in camps, you have to provide the basic needs....if you let them wild you don't need to spend anything...however then you see beggars everywhere.

I think, we shouldn't take them into our country at the first place. Establish camps at the Syrian side of the border and make UN to pay for expanses.

Anyways...they think situation is better in Europe when compared to Turkey. Refugee deal will collapse in a few months. They will be soon euros problem.
 
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