Turkey to modernize Pakistani Perry class frigates with Genesis

[A.Muqeet khan]

guys what is this system i mean what the purpose of ths system and whats the benefits i mean tell me in a lay men term plz

 

[Jigs]

guys what is this system i mean what the purpose of ths system and whats the benefits i mean tell me in a lay men term plz

It is a combat management system upgrade. It modernizes systems to bring up OHP situational awareness and it results in faster reaction times to threats.



Original CMS Design
Obsolete hardware systems compromise combat direction system
reliability
Small memory (386 KB) of the old, AN/UYK-7 WSP limits incoming
targets to 64 tracks inhibiting intelligence
Operator consoles are monochromatic with low resolution and very
limited data manipulation and viewing capability. No map display or
tactical figures
Manual tracking of air and surface targets limit the accuracy and
number of tracks
Manual decoy launching capability is provided
Phalanx Close In Weapon System (CIWS) operates only in autonomous
modes
Limitations in processing and communication result in slow detect-toengage
(DTE) times
Has limited future growth due to central processor architecture,
outdated parts and technology
Limited data link capability







GENESİS Modernization
State-of-the-art, COTS network, CPUs and computers have high
mean time between failure
Modern COTS processors can track thousands of targets
Consoles with two 21-inch, color, high-resolution displays can be
customized like a desktop computer to encompass expanded
surveillance through available TV cameras and a video distribution
system
Automatic detection and tracking with twice as many radars, as
well as automatic correlation capability
Automatically identifies threats, selects and launches decoys and
recommends course and speed to maximize decoy effectiveness
Phalanx search radar is integrated into GENESİS, and GENESİS has
the ability to order Phalanx to engage a selected target. Also,
GENESİS enables Phalanx to engage a MK 92 target
Air test target DTE time reduced by more than 50 percent
Shore engagement reaction times reduced by more than 98 percent Open LAN architecture enables continuous enhancements and
addition of new capabilities such as gunfire control, dual data
links and more
Seamless Multi-Link capability with potential future growth




Again though this news was brought up here months before so we should wait for more info to come out on it before speculating too much.

 

[mjnaushad]

That is not the bridge of a Milgem corvette. That is inside a OHP.

This is the bridge of the Milgem.


I have heard this news a while back but since then nothing has materialized so i would wait for new info to come out on this.

I dont know why but The picture remind me of this

Good news BTW.

 

[Last Hope]

Good news !!
Instead of Increasing number of boats and wasting money, having stronger boats will help for defence !!

 

[cabatli_53]

Havelsan Genesis Introduction Video

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[Penguin]

I dough Z-9 can be used because its data link system wont be compatible with FFG's AN/SQQ-89 ASW Combat System.

- If so, how is it that the French Dauphins/Panthers are compatible with Chinese ships?

- "ASW equipments onboard the Z-9C include a Type 605 (Chinese copy of the U.S. AN/AQS-13) dipping sonar , a box of 12 passive sonobuoys, four active sonobuoys, a temperature buoy and a maritime environment buoy. The helicopter is equipped with a radio receiver, allowing it to receive the signal of sonobuoys at 10km range when flying at 120km/h speed." Zhi-9C/D Naval Helicopter - SinoDefence.com
That means it can (and does) conduct ASW independently of the FFG.

- "The Z-9C was designed for both ASW role, equipped with dipping sonar, sonar buoys, magnetic anomaly detector (MAD), and two external weapon pylons to carry 1~2 ET52 (A244/S copy) anti-submarine torpedoes. A second mission for the Z-9C is target detection and data relay. The helicopter could use its KLC-1 surface search radar to locate enemy surface vessels at ‘over-the-horizon’ distance, and transmit the target information to the YJ-83 anti-ship missile during its midcourse flight using the datalink antenna installed on the helicopter’s cockpit roof."
Zhi-9C/D Naval Helicopter - SinoDefence.com
That means the datalink on the Z-9 is intended for ASuW, not for ASW purposes. ASW is conducted without datalink i.e. not integrated into the frigate's system - but this does not in anyt way preclude the use of the Z-9C!

- "The AN/SQQ-89 is a Naval anti-submarine warfare system for surface warships. It provides detection, classification, and targeting capability to the following platforms:
- Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate (FFG-7)
- Spruance class destroyer (DD-963)
- Ticonderoga class cruiser (CG-47)
- Arleigh Burke Class destroyer (DDG-51)
The ASW system combines inputs from active and passive hull mounted sonars , tactical towed arrays, and sonobuoys."
AN/SQQ-89 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The ANISQQ-89 combat system suite provides ... warships with an integrated undersea warfare detection, classification, display, and targeting capability. The system combines and processes all active sonar information, and processes and displays all SH-60B Light Airborne Multi-Purpose System (LAMPS) Mk III sensor data.
Legacy AN/SQQ-89 Combat System suites consist of the AN/SQS-53 hull sonar, AN/SQR-19 Towed-Array Sonar, AN/SQQ-28 LAMPS[/I], AN/SQS-25 SIMAS, and ASW Control System (ASWCS) MK 116 systems. These legacy systems are linked via NTDS interfaces to form an integrated combat system.
The SQQ-89 tactical sonar suite is composed of a hull-mounted sonar (SQS-53B) and Tactical Towed Array Sonar (TACTAS), and is fully integrated with the ship's Light Airborne Multi-Purpose Systems (LAMPS MK III) helicopter. The AN/SQQ-89 Integrated ASW Combat System suite is the most advanced ASW system in the world today"
AN/SQQ-89 ASW Combat System [ASWCS]
Note the datalink isn't even mentioned, it is part of LAMPS III'

"The SH-60 LAMPS III is equiped with a C-band duplex digital datalink called ARQ-44 datalink, the US ships use an SRQ-4 datalink for sonobuoy, radar and ESM data. "
Naval Institute Guide to world naval weapon system

"Announced September 10, 2008, Harris Corporation has been awarded a $53 million contract modification by the U.S. Navy to produce the Ku-band Common Data Link (CDL) Hawklink system for the MH-60R Light Airborne Multi-Purpose System (LAMPS) helicopter. Hawklink is a high-speed digital data link that transmits tactical video, radar, acoustic and other sensor data from MH-60R helicopters to their host surface ships.

The AN/ARQ-58 CDL Hawklink will replace existing C-band AN/ARQ-44 data links on LAMPS helicopters and upgrade existing C-band AN/SRQ-4 links on surface ships with a AN/SRQ-4 (Ku) conversion kit."
Helicopter data link

"1 may 2009: Harris Corp. has completed flight and ground testing of its Ku-band Common Data Link (CDL) Hawklink system for the U.S. Navy's MH-60R Light Airborne Multi-Purpose System helicopter. CDL Hawklink is a high-speed, digital data link that transmits tactical video, radar, acoustic, and other sensor data from the MH-60R helicopters to their host surface ships.

Harris is the prime contractor for the CDL Hawklink program, and BAE Systems is a subcontractor.

Both the ground test and a series of flight tests validated the performance and all attributes of the CDL Hawklink system, says a company official. The tests, completed at Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Md., demonstrated the system's compatibility with the full set of MH-60R helicopter and host ship interfaces, as well as the system's ability to support multiple, simultaneous helicopter missions.

The tests also proved the CDL Hawklink system's ability to support additional sensor interfaces, ensuring availability of a wide range of information from different sources, and to incorporate a Tactical Common Data Link (TCDL)-compliant terminal on the helicopter.

"This key milestone in the multi-year CDL Hawklink effort validates the link's advanced functionality as well as its ability to work with legacy sensor interfaces," says Wes Covell, president, Harris Defense Programs. "The successful testing also exemplifies the outstanding cooperation among the Navy, Harris, and BAE Systems."

Developed as part of the CDL Hawklink program, the AN/ARQ-58 terminal will replace existing C-band AN/ARQ-44 data links on the MH-60R helicopters, and the AN/SRQ-4 (Ku) terminal conversion kit will upgrade existing C-band AN/SRQ-4 links on surface ships. Current MH-60R-equipped support ship classes include DDG 51, FFG 7, and CG 47.

With the ability to transmit over distances greater than 100 nautical miles at data rates exceeding 21 megabits per second, the CDL Hawklink system is designed to eliminate interference between the current C-Band Data Link and the Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC). It also will improve the fleet's interoperable communications, improve bandwidth capability of the MH-60R system, and facilitate transition to a network-centric architecture which will provide the baseline for fleet CDL interoperability."
Harris Corp. tests U.S. Navy MH-60R helicopter Hawklink data link - Military & Aerospace Electronics

Rockwell Collins has supplied datalinks for the HH_65 Dolphin operated by the US Coast Guard, essentiall a AS656 Dauphin. The french navy considered a Mk2 version with a datalink. Indeed, Panther is fitted with an ORB-32 surface search radar and with the TITUS helo-ship datalink for MM40 Exocet designation. It doesn't sound too difficult to make the Z-9C fully compatible with the US ship if PN wants to. If they aren't already compatible...

"TADIL-A/Link 11 is a secure half-duplex TADIL radio link used by NATO that receives or transmits--but not both simultaneously--a sequential data exchange digital link. It exchanges digital information among airborne, land-based, and ship-board tactical data systems. It is the primary means to exchange data such as radar tracking information beyond line of sight. TADIL-A can be used on either high frequency (HF) or ultrahigh frequency (UHF). However, the U.S. Army uses only HF. Link 11 will be replaced by Link 22."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TADIL-A

"Link 22 is a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) secure radio system that provides Beyond Line-Of-Sight (BLOS) communications. It interconnects air, surface, subsurface, and ground-based tactical data systems, and it is used for the exchange of tactical data among the military units of the participating nations. Link 22 will be deployed in peacetime, crisis, and war to support NATO and Allied warfare taskings.

The Link 22 Program was initially conducted collaboratively by seven nations under the aegis of a Memorandum Of Understanding (MOU). The original seven nations were Canada, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom (UK), and the United States (US), with the US acting as the host nation. Spain has replaced the Netherlands as a NILE (NATO Improved Link Eleven) Nation.

Link 22 was developed to replace and overcome the known deficiencies of Link 11. Link 22 was also designed to complement and interoperate easily with Link 16. It was designed with automated and simple management to ensure that it is easier to manage than both Link 11 and Link 16. This program is called “NATO Improved Link Eleven”, which is abbreviated to “NILE”. The tactical data link provided by the NILE system has been officially designated Link 22."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_22

 

[cabatli_53]

That is not the bridge of a Milgem corvette. That is inside a OHP.

This is the bridge of the Milgem.

Correction:

First Picture was taken from inside of Turkish Perry, Genesis Combat management Center...
Second Picture was taken from inside of Combat Management center of Milgem...

 

[Jigs]

Correction:

First Picture was taken from inside of Turkish Perry, Genesis Combat management Center...
Second Picture was taken from inside of Combat Management center of Milgem...

They visited while it was under construction ? When was this ?

 

[HAIDER]

Raytheon Company's Integrated Defense Systems (IDS) and Havelsan Inc. have signed a teaming agreement to cooperatively market the GENESIS Ship Integrated Combat Management System for surface ships of navies worldwide.

GENESIS successfully completed at-sea testing and delivery of the first system in 2007. The second and third ships were tested and delivered in 2008. GENESIS was developed for integration, including development; hardware and software testing; training; and maintenance services onboard eight of the frigates that are part of the Turkish fleet.

Originally initiated and designed by the Turkish Naval Forces Command for the modernization of USS Oliver Hazard Perry (FFG-7) class frigates, GENESIS has been upgraded and implemented by Havelsan. Raytheon provided fire control and electronic warfare system modifications.

Today, the GENESIS-implemented frigates are preferred for critical missions, such as the participation of the TCG Giresun as part of an international joint task force fighting increasing piracy in the Gulf of Aden. With the GENESIS system -- originally developed by the Turkish Navy and transferred to Havelsan after the completion of successful sea trials -- FFG 7 class frigates around the world can significantly improve their combat intelligence and ability to take action to counter threats.

The GENESIS solution transforms the FFG 7 combat system, giving it outstanding capability to meet today's threats by improving sensor integration, information management, and by reducing reaction times -- all critical capabilities for a modern, front-line combatant. Together, the Raytheon-Havelsan team has provided a complete and affordable solution to modernize and optimize the effectiveness of these tough, multi-mission ships in service in allied fleets around the world."The cooperation of Havelsan and Raytheon in the marketing and implementation of the GENESIS program targets the FFG 7 fleets around the world.

The GENESIS system guarantees optimization and effectiveness in the naval combat management. The GENESIS system enhances the ships' situational awareness and accelerates the defense capabilities, decreasing the detect-to-engage reaction time by more than half.Havelsan Inc., a Turkish Armed Forces Foundation company, is active in the fields of C4ISR (Command, Control, Communication, Computer, Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance Systems), Naval Combat Systems, Air Defence Systems, Management Information Systems, Simulation and Training Systems, Homeland Security Systems and Energy Management Systems.

 

[cabatli_53]

They visited while it was under construction ? When was this ?

Bro, According to magazine, Pakistani Naval officials visited Turkey in 11-17 October 2010

 

[cabatli_53]

About Turkish Perry modernization as a referance to Pakistani upgrade program, Turkish 4 Perry's are being upgraded with Raytheon's MK-41 vertical launchers and ESSM missiles so Havelsan also upgraded Genesis combat management system and integrated those new system to Genesis. For that purpose, Raytheon and Havelsan signed an agreement to offer Genesis SYS to 3th countries with MK-41 and ESSM missiles.

I think Most probably, Pakistani frigates will also be upgraded same.

Genesis-VLS modification and additional systems integrated on Genesis for ESSM launching capability....

 

[cabatli_53]

After Genesis SYS modernization, The Perry frigates will look like this one...

 

[Myth_buster_1]

After Genesis SYS modernization, The Perry frigates will look like this one...

I have seen pictures of Turkish FFG with MK41 cells but cant find it where.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

- If so, how is it that the French Dauphins/Panthers are compatible with Chinese ships?

Chinese have modified the french Dauphins/Panthers according to their requirements. Do you think Chinese communication system are compatible with American?

 

[sergente rehan]

We need to upgrade these Perry class frigrates bcz U.S. is giving PN just hulls with engines and some obsolete equipment.

How much these uprgrades will cost and how much time it will take to upgrade all 4 PN frigates?

So how much will cost us these OHP's in total from what we have paid U.S. + other new upgrades, integrations and modifications?