Turkey to develop new medium combat aircraft

[Bismarck]

Is their an English translation what Kotil said about TFX project? I know their is Turkish speaking (Video) of him, but sad no one in English.

 

[KapitaanAli]

I think the "leaks" are just assuming that the avionics and ew suite and so on are ready because of Turkish experience on F16 upgrades.

It's good to have humility at least until the final design is ready.
Ideally until it flies or at least a half built prototype image is leaked.

 

[Mr.Department]

Try to follow Tony Osborne (Rotorfocus) on twitter , he quoted Mr. Kotil many times and he thinks also that a prototype could be 2023 in the air.

http://aviationweek.com/combat-airc...governments-green-light-tf-x-development-work

I think the "leaks" are just assuming that the avionics and ew suite and so on are ready because of Turkish

Avionics from Hürkus, EW Aselsan, canopy and landing gears from open market......engine will soon decided.

 

[Bismarck]

The problem is that currently nearly all Turkish official information are so much over-hyped, nearly no-one outside the fan-boy-community and all with true aerospace understanding are shaking their heads.

It is simply impossible what TAI all plans to develop (from rockets to carriers, from 10t helicopters to the TFX), none of these technical predictions, timeframe proposals are realistic and even more given TAI's experience, the allocated budget, the general political situation and economics everyone with the slightest common sense knows that it is impossible.

If You would tell me Mr. Kotil will walk on water next week You will surely believe him ... but common sense says it does not work.
You cannot exclude the laws of physics and in the same way you cannot develop a medium weight combat aircraft within 3-5 years; esp. if from scratch.

But If You guys think I'm trolling please go ahead and report me to another moderator: I'm eager to see what will happen.

Deino

To be honest, with all the experience TAI has in developing or resembling in aviation part of F-16 and future F-35. They could be able to produce the TFX fighter. In addition to the many companies which are involved in F-35 program. Of course it’s a giant program but nothing is impossible. Where will TAI get all the engineers with experience in aviation and other professionals in metallurgy for example?

 

[OguzSenturk]

Turkey has pretty good number of engineering graduates, but experienced professionals would be a problem.

Thankfully Turkey hired half a thousand experienced engineers from UK, they would cover the gap.

 

[Bismarck]

Turkey has pretty good number of engineering graduates, but experienced professionals would be a problem.

Thankfully Turkey hired half a thousand experienced engineers from UK, they would cover the gap.

Okay, no experience is really a problem. You said, you have good numbers of engineering graduates. How many excellent universities in aviation Turkey has?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Okay, no experience is really a problem. You said, you have good numbers of engineering graduates. How many excellent universities in aviation Turkey has?

The thing many seems to forget... is that an interesting amount of TR engineers came from abroad universities or completed their studies abroad...
The tech is there...whatever doing it alone or not... Engineers are not the ultimate problem either for TR... But the ecosytem that need to be build around the project... that is time consuming and difficult...

In the End...TR could make it... the only non accepted condition among many is the time scale given by officials... that seems too short for such project ( and others)

So the main critizing point is Time/deadline given... that's it...
So the point of discord is quite silly...

 

[YoungTurk01]

Is their an English translation what Kotil said about TFX project? I know their is Turkish speaking (Video) of him, but sad no one in English.

It’s on schedule.

Okay, no experience is really a problem. You said, you have good numbers of engineering graduates. How many excellent universities in aviation Turkey has?

I don’t get it, Why you guys worry that much, what we doing? Just enjoy the show everything is on schedule.

 

[-------]

IMO, 2022 deadline could be a bit realistic for first flight but not for the final product or induction. Its not like you have to assemble the parts and start flying it.

They want a flying prototype/demonstator by 2023, which is centenary (100th birthday) of the Republic of Turkey.
Project is akin to YF-22 and how it evolved into F-22 over the years.. Or how British Aerospaces EAP evolved into Eurofighter Typhoon.. All their time scales match up with project start to prototype/demonstator flight of TFX, TFX even has more years of development time on them - so you can count in inexperience.

Eitherway, seeing the tucked in tails is fun

 

[Saithan]

The thing many seems to forget... is that an interesting amount of TR engineers came from abroad universities or completed their studies abroad...
The tech is there...whatever doing it alone or not... Engineers are not the ultimate problem either for TR... But the ecosytem that need to be build around the project... that is time consuming and difficult...

In the End...TR could make it... the only non accepted condition among many is the time scale given by officials... that seems too short for such project ( and others)

So the main critizing point is Time/deadline given... that's it...
So the point of discord is quite silly...

Oh.. TR engineers returning to Turkey, sounds good, can you share a source or article about it. Otherwise it's just a claim.

From what I read engineers seek abroad for jobs etc. but intent to support Turkey somehow.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2435.2009.00520.x/abstract

 

[KapitaanAli]

Oh.. TR engineers returning to Turkey, sounds good, can you share a source or article about it. Otherwise it's just a claim.

From what I read engineers seek abroad for jobs etc. but intent to support Turkey somehow.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2435.2009.00520.x/abstract

I'll have to depend on anecdotes, but I've heard of many such cases from Turks.
Not on forums. But like, "he did so and so from this country".
Turkey is blessed by European education.

 

[Saithan]

Well, we do have some assumptions being made, I hope to see a source or two confirming these claims.

Turkey has pretty good number of engineering graduates, but experienced professionals would be a problem.

Thankfully Turkey hired half a thousand experienced engineers from UK, they would cover the gap.

A source please. While it sounds good I'm the type who waits to have such things confirmed by third party. Before rejoicing.

 

[OguzSenturk]

It was Temel Kotil who says that, according to agreement with UK

https://twitter.com/x/status/827956866982502402

 

[Blackwolf12]

Okay, no experience is really a problem. You said, you have good numbers of engineering graduates. How many excellent universities in aviation Turkey has?

Apparently TAI is looking to hire 3000 engineers from domestic and international countries. Sorry I don’t have the link.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/940350523731038210

Hakan Kilic claims there are "gossips" about Turkey talking to the UK about Eurofighter procurement. What do you guys think?