Turkey The Birthplace of Hindi, English: Study

[Kambojaric]

I thought Hindi (Hindustani) has derived and influenced mainly from Persian

The language of Zarthost was Avestan, one of the Old Persian languages. Avestan had clear similarities with Sanskrit. Modern Farsi developed from a mix of the other old languages of the Iranian plateau and Avestan.

The modern descendent of the Avestan language is Pashto.

Sanskrit meanwhile developed into Prakrit from which later emerged Hindi and Urdu.
So the links between Hindustani and Farsi come from the close linkages of Sanskrit and the Avestan language. Of course further on Urdu would heavily borrow its vocabulary from Dari Farsi hence despite being a descendent of Prakrit it shares similarities with modern Persian as well.
I hope i didnt make it too confusing

 

[samv]

Pali is more similar to Eastern Indian languages, Magadhi, Mathili, Bengali, Oriya, Assamiya. Present day Hindi is from Khariboli dialect of UP which is a descendant of Sourasheni Prakrit. Bazaari Hindi is not much different from Urdu and heavily Persian/Turk influenced.

There are numerous Sanskrit loan words in all Indo-Aryan languages, also Sanskrit was pinnacle of linguistic excellence in ancient India, the attachment has nothing to do with Hinduism.

I see more similarities between Prakrit and Hindi rather than Sanskrit and Hindi.

For example

Sanskrit - Pali - Hindi

satya - sacca - sac
ashTa - aTTa - aaT
chandra - chanda - chaand
dhvaja - dhaja - dhaj
srosati - sunaati - sunnaa
agni - aggi - aag
taila - tela - tel
hasta - hatta - haat
graama - gaama - gaao
karna - kanna - kaan

Not a surprise, since Hindi is based on a type of Prakrit and not Sanskrit.

Sanskrit has assumed somewhat of nationalistic symbol for nationalistic Hindus.

So all the Prakrits - which actually form the basis of most North Indian languages - are basically ignored in favour of Sanskrit. All "new additions" to the Hindi vocabulary are taken from Sanskrit, and not Prakrits. The Prakrit that Hindi was based on was quite a soft language in comparison to Sanskrit - the phonology is being changed by the addition of Sanskrit words. All attention is paid to Sanskrit, very little research is done on the Prakrits of which there were many regional varieties.

Unfortunate, as the Prakrits were actually spoken by the common people and were not a pseudo manufactured language like Sanskrit.

 

[LaBong]

I see more similarities between Prakrit and Hindi rather than Sanskrit and Hindi.

For example

Sanskrit - Pali - Hindi

satya - sacca - sac
ashTa - aTTa - aaT
chandra - chanda - chaand
dhvaja - dhaja - dhaj
srosati - sunati - sunnaa
agni - aggi - aag
taila - tela - tel
hasta - hatta - haat
graama - gaama - gaao


Not a surprise, since Hindi is based on a type of Prakrit and not Sanskrit.

Sanskrit has assumed somewhat of nationalistic symbol for nationalistic Hindus.

So all the Prakrits - which actually form the basis of most North Indian languages - are basically ignored in favour of Sanskrit.

Unfortunate, as the Prakrits were actually spoken by the common people and were not a pseudo manufactured language like Sanskrit.

Most of the words above are tatsama, ie words borrowed from Sanskrit, some are tadbhaba, ie Prakrit cognate of Sanskrit. anyway haven't you read rest of my post?

Sanskrit acts as grammatical and vocabulary base for all Indo-Aryan languages, you can say Hindi is Sanskritized khariboli or Bengali is Sanskritized Ardha-Magadhi.

I'm not sure what is your beef with Sanskrit or Hindus, but linguistic study demands an impartial mind, which you seems to be devoid of.

 

[Ticker]

Just as an example, a typical Bengali dictionary lists 75,000 separate words, of which 50,000 (67%) are considered tôtshômo (words directly reborrowed from Sanskrit), 21,100 (28%) are tôdbhôbo (native Bengali vocabulary with Sanskrit cognates), and the rest being borrowings from deshi "indigenous" (i.e. Austroasiatic) or bideshi "foreign" sources.

So you can imagine the extent of Sanskrit influence on Prakrit.



Indo-Aryan is a linguistic term, it has nothing to do with Aryan race(if there is such a race to begin with).

And, Aryan in this case being?

 

[LaBong]

And, Aryan in this case being?

A linguistic group spanning from West India to Brahmaputra valley(Oh I dare not mention Pakistan at the same line).

 

[samv]

Most of the words above are tatsama, ie words borrowed from Sanskrit, some are tadbhaba, ie Prakrit cognate of Sanskrit. anyway haven't you read rest of my post?

So you're saying 'Hindi speakers' did not have words for such basic things as "truth" and "hand" and "eight" and "oil" and so had to take them from Sanskrit?

I would say they already had those words in their vocabulary because it existed in the Prakrit-based language they spoke. IMO the Prakrits are far nicer languages than Sanskrit, because most of them have done away with many of the harsh sounds of Sanskrit (my opinion).

I'm not sure what is your beef with Sanskrit or Hindus, but linguistic study demands an impartial mind, which you seems to be devoid of.

That's the way to go - insult others instead of having a civil discussion.

Fact is, Sanskrit has (unfortunately) assumed some sort of nationalistic symbol for nationalistic Hindus. Nothing essentially wrong with it. But it doesn't mean that the Prakrits have not had a far larger influence in building most of the North Indian languages.

 

[Ticker]

A linguistic group spanning from West India to Brahmaputra valley(Oh I dare not mention Pakistan at the same line).

And may I ask why?

 

[LaBong]

So you're saying 'Hindi speakers' did not have words for such basic things as "truth" and "hand" and "eight" and "oil" and so had to take them from Sanskrit?

I would say they already had those words in their vocabulary because it existed in the Prakrit-based language they spoke

No I'm saying Sanskrit donated it's vocabulary at building Hindi, just as most English words have Latin origin. Just do a quick google search with the words and you'd know about their Sanskrit origin. I as a Bengali speaker can understand it more easily as most of Bengali vocab is of Sanskrit origin.

That's the way to go - insult others instead of having a civil discussion.

Fact is, Sanskrit has (unfortunately) assumed some sort of nationalistic symbol for nationalistic Hindus. Nothing essentially wrong with it. But it doesn't mean that the Prakrits have not had a far larger influence in building most of the North Indian languages.

More verbal diarrhoea, were the Prakrit speakers non Hindus? Sanskrit literally means refined, as it was the language of court and literature, as opposed to Prakrits which were vernaculars.

In fact there was no single language called Prakrit, Prakrit is the aggregator term used for many of sister languages which were spoken in middle ages in North India.

 

[ANPP]

Sanskrit is a dead language for all intents and purposes.

Abe kabhi temple bhi gya hai kya.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Turkey is a country. Turkey has linguistically nothing to do with Indo-European language family. Linguistically Turkey replaced former Anatolia not before than 14th century.

Anatolia or Asia Minor are two geographic terms which may be appropriate for this thread.

 

[Bhairava]

Abe kabhi temple bhi gya hai kya.

Haan ji..I go to temple atleast once a week.

But tell me when was the last time you bargained for a kilo of aloo with the local kiranawala in sanskrit ?

 

[samv]

No I'm saying Sanskrit donated it's vocabulary at building Hindi, just as most English words has Latin origin. Just do a quick google search with the words and you'd know about their Sanskrit origin. I as a Bengali can understand it more easily as most of Bengali vocab is of Sanskrit origin.

The phonology of Hindi is far more similar to Prakrit than to Sanskrit. Modern Hindi vocabulary is exclusively sourced from Sanskrit and that is why Sanskritised Hindi sound so jarring - because it is mixing both Prakrit and Sanskrit phonology. The Prakrit Hindi was based on had done away with sounds like "kr", "pr", "tr". The Prakrits and Sanskrit have many cognates - many of the words have actually entered the language from Prakrit and not Sanskrit - its quite obvious from the phonology. For example, hindi 'haat' (hand) clearly resembles Pali 'hatta' more than the Sanskrit 'hasta.' The Hindi "chaand" (moon) clearly resembles Pali 'chanda' more than the Sanskrit 'chandra'. The Hindi "kaan" (ear) clearly resembles the Pali "kanna" more than the Sanskrit "karna." The rush to claim a Sanskrit origin is based on the status that Sanskrit is given over all other ancient languages. [Note: I am not saying Hindi is based on Pali but I am using Pali as an example because it is the best researched and documented of all the Prakrits]

More verbal diarrhoea, were the Prakrit speakers non Hindus? Sanskrit literally means refines, as it was the language of court and literature, as opposed to Prakrits which were vernaculars.

Of course, anything that doesn't agree with you is verbal diarrhoea isn't it? There is nothing extra special about Sanskrit. The Prakrits are far more beautiful in my opinion - because most of them have done away with the harsh sounds omnipresent in Sanskrit - and they are the building blocks of most of the North Indian languages spoken today. Many of the Prakrit speakers were also Jains and Buddhists, in addition to Hindus.

 

[Holmes]

yeah all languages were made by high iq turkey.
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[Juice]

But many in India are trashing the Aryan theory and state that there was no Aryan invasion. If such is the case a reference to Indo-Aryan language becomes a farse.

That the languages are related is established....how they spread is up for debate.

 

[ALOK31]

wtf is prakrit by the way i am a hindi speaker and i don't know any thing about prakrit .but my sansrit is very-very good .