Turkey The Birthplace of Hindi, English: Study

[Backbencher]

Knew this stuff years ago but i had a question in my mind .
Isnt sanskrit a language much more ancient than tamil ?
If so then the honour of being the oldest language which still serves in this world should belong to sanskrit and not tamil , isnt it !!

 

[RPK]

Knew this stuff years ago but i had a question in my mind .
Isnt sanskrit a language much more ancient than tamil ?
If so then the honour of being the oldest language which still serves in this world should belong to sanskrit and not tamil , isnt it !!

read this

The Hindu : Today's Paper News : From Indus Valley to coastal Tamil Nadu

 

[Bombay Dude]

Turkish Weekly?

Even Islam came from Turkey.

 

[RISING SUN]

read this

The Hindu : Today's Paper News : From Indus Valley to coastal Tamil Nadu

There is my best friend from Kerala. He speaks both Malayalam & Tamil fluently. He once said to me that Tamil originated from Sanskrit. Let me talk to him on this Sunday Then I will give his source.

 

[Serpentine]

I thought Hindi (Hindustani) has derived and influenced mainly from Persian

 

[INDIC]

I thought Hindi (Hindustani) has derived and influenced mainly from Persian

Hindi has low level of Persian influence but Urdu has much more Persian influence. Standard Hindi or Urdu is based on Khariboli dialect of Uttar Pradesh. Its the level of Persian influence that make Hindi and Urdu a different languages.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

I thought Hindi (Hindustani) has derived and influenced mainly from Persian

Hindi is not derived from Persian. Later, It had some influence from languages of Islamic invaders because many Invaders settled in India. Today, English is also getting influenced by the language of settlers, words like Pundit, guru, mantra are all Indian origin.

 

[Bhairava]

Knew this stuff years ago but i had a question in my mind .
Isnt sanskrit a language much more ancient than tamil ?
If so then the honour of being the oldest language which still serves in this world should belong to sanskrit and not tamil , isnt it !!

Sanskrit is a dead language for all intents and purposes.

 

[LaBong]

As far as I'm aware Hindi did not come from Sanskrit - it is based on a type of Prakrit.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Prakrit did not come from Sanskrit. There were many Prakrits and Hindi is based on a type of Prakrit and not Sanskrit.

You are correct in way. Prakrit isn't direct descendant Sanskrit although both have mutual loan words. However Prakrit is Indo-Aryan language.

 

[samv]

You are correct in way. Prakrit isn't direct descendant Sanskrit although both have mutual loan words. However Prakrit is Indo-Aryan language.

IMO Hindi is more similar to Pali than Sanskrit. Pali being a very well known type of Prakrit.

I think the "attachment" to Sanskrit derives from its influence on Hinduism.

 

[Ticker]

Hindi has low level of Persian influence but Urdu has much more Persian influence. Standard Hindi or Urdu is based on Khariboli dialect of Uttar Pradesh. Its the level of Persian influence that make Hindi and Urdu a different languages.

And don't forget the seven thousand common words between Urdu and Turkish language.

 

[Kambojaric]

Where the proto Indo European language originated from is subject to a lot of debate. Asia Minor (Turkey) is one of the candidates, other linguists say the Caucauses region. Some even suggest the Indus Valley. Most of Europes modern languages are Indo European (e.g. German, English, Spanish, Russian) as are Iranic languages (Persian/Dari/Tajik, Pashto, Balochi, Kurdish) and Indic languages (Urdu, Hindi, Bengali). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language#Historical_and_geographical_setting

A simple map showing the various branches of the Indo European Languages:

http://ehl.santafe.edu/maps/Indo-Hittite.gif

 

[LaBong]

IMO Hindi is more similar to Pali than Sanskrit. Pali being a very well known type of Prakrit.

I think the "attachment" to Sanskrit derives from its influence on Hinduism.

Pali is more similar to Eastern Indian languages, Magadhi, Maithili, Bengali, Oriya, Assamiya. Present day Hindi is from Khariboli dialect of UP which is a descendant of Sourasheni Prakrit. Bazaari Hindi is not much different from Urdu and heavily Persian/Turk influenced.

There are numerous Sanskrit loan words in all Indo-Aryan languages, also Sanskrit was pinnacle of linguistic excellence in ancient India, the attachment has nothing to do with Hinduism.

Sanskrit acts as grammatical and vocabulary base for all Indo-Aryan languages, you can say Hindi is Sanskritized khariboli or Bengali is Sanskritized Ardha-Magadhi.

 

[Ticker]

You are correct in way. Prakrit isn't direct descendant Sanskrit although both have mutual loan words. However Prakrit is Indo-Aryan language.

But many in India are trashing the Aryan theory and state that there was no Aryan invasion. If such is the case a reference to Indo-Aryan language becomes a farse.

 

[LaBong]

Just as an example, a typical Bengali dictionary lists 75,000 separate words, of which 50,000 (67%) are considered tôtshômo (words directly reborrowed from Sanskrit), 21,100 (28%) are tôdbhôbo (native Bengali vocabulary with Sanskrit cognates), and the rest being borrowings from deshi "indigenous" (i.e. Austroasiatic) or bideshi "foreign" sources.

So you can imagine the extent of Sanskrit influence on Prakrit.

But many in India are trashing the Aryan theory and state that there was no Aryan invasion. If such is the case a reference to Indo-Aryan language becomes a farse.

Indo-Aryan is a linguistic term, it has nothing to do with Aryan race(if there is such a race to begin with).