Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS

[Falgrine]

We made the biggest blunder by not going with GCC but we can still rectify the case by sending a squadron. You tried your level best to piss of your best allies as for sectarian war Sir I don't want to be rude but I saw massive rise in hatred against certain sect when they opposed Pakistan involved in Yemen war even those people were turning against them who always stood by them when ever they were attacked weather in Quetta or somewhere else we would have bigger sectarian war if war enter Saudi Arabia and Houthis launch some massive strikes in KSA. Than that sect I am afraid would loose all the support in Pakistan.

That sect's has adherents which are as bit Pakistani as you are, and as anybody else could be. And yes, they do not require support from anybody as they are not a foreign entity. They are the sons and daughters of the soil. Wahabis/Salafis are just one of the multitude of islamic sects, so please do not condescend. All Muslim sects are equally honorable and deserved to be respected, whether one agrees with them or not.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Turkey seeking Pakistan's help is a lot diff than yemen issue, although tht was also handled very poorly...As far as I can understand Turkey doesnt need any Pak equipment nor our boots on ground because they themsleves have a large army tht is much better equipped and more advanced than ours.. The area which i think turkey needs our help is our expertise in dealing similar kind of war tht Pak itself is engaged in.. Pak has had to secure two borders, indian and afghan and to top of tht, we had to secure our cities.. Although we have not won the war yet, we are in process of stablising... So turkey also has its border problem, syria, ISIS and kurdish seperatists.. Just like we had to deal with TTP, BLA and borders at the same time... So turkish and Pakistani challenges are very similar.. So, i think they only need our help in strategy, planning, tactics, intel and our overall expertise in this kind of war tht we have gained in fighting in the last decade.. Why would they need our boots on ground to fight war at all? When they have a good army.. Yes..maybe they need some of our advisers, trainers , some SSG personnel.. Maybe we can also, send some of our recently retred army generals, who have been actively involved in making strategy, to turkey as advisers?.... Also, turkey is a mature country.. It will never make unreasonable demands from Pak..........whatever, help, they need, we should help them in every posible way.. And i think General Raheel Sharif has already assured them our support, if we look at ISPR statements, during his visit to Turkey..

 

[xyxmt]

Turkey does not need help with boots on the ground, Pakistan can help turkey in formulating the anti terror policies and methodology in tackling PKK, help them in intelligence gathering and share the technology Pakistan has used in that regards. Other than that Turkish forces are capable enough in quality and quantity to handle the situations on the ground.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

We can't at the moment. But pkk is their internal matter. IS on the other hand is a problem which we will have to address sooner or later. The Final decision rests with high command.
May Allah guide them to mke the the right decision.

internal matter ? they r asking and inviting us for help against their internal matter. we are not engaging by our own instead invited for it. we should help them, they have been helping us all the way, whenever we needed. and i think if Pakistan can help Srilanka, Pak can surely help turkey also then....

 

[Winchester]

I doubt Turkey would need our military support given the skill of their armed forces.....but if they indeed asked for it then we should absolutely be there for them.

Also there is no parallel btw this and the Yemen scenario.

In Yemen there is a sectarian proxy war btw two sectarian minded govts.....

Turkey is a secular liberal democracy something which Pakistan should aspire to be.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Well because these wars will eventually burn us if we acted like ostrich so stopping these wars at their birth place is key to world peace

This is some flawed logic.PKK has nothing to do with us.ISIS to be fair with u still is not a threat to us.
And if whole of NATO+America+Russia cannot eliminate ISIS then let me tell u my brother,we with much less resources then those cant do anything.

 

[Zarvan]

This is some flawed logic.PKK has nothing to do with us.ISIS to be fair with u still is not a threat to us.
And if whole of NATO+America+Russia cannot eliminate ISIS then let me tell u my brother,we with much less resources then those cant do anything.

Sorry PKK is threat to main ally Turkey therefore a threat to us and ISIS is already a threat to us.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Sorry PKK is threat to main ally Turkey therefore a threat to us and ISIS is already a threat to us.

I know Turkey is not only an ally but a brother to us.But still that doesnt make PKK a threat to Pakistan.As far as ISIS is concerned,its not present in Pakistan.Just some TTP factions and some other smaller terrorist groups have shown support for ISIS.But for now,there is no real threat from ISIS.We just have to man the afghanistan border and if possible build a wall there.to stop further incursions and effectively implement NAP in all cities of Pakistan.That would be all to protect us from from all internal and external terrorists threats.

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

Hi,

Thank you for the tag---the Yemen crisis was a fiasco for Pakistan----it was a blunder of the ultimate magnitude.

Pakistan is the only muslim nation who has withstood an onslaught of terrorist insurgency in KPK, Fata and Baluchsitan---and then has stood up to a neighbor 3 ties in size militarily---.

So---basically---there is no other muslim military in the region with Pakistan unique experience and expertise.

It is very difficult to change position---from being a beggar to being a giver----. A beggar always begs and a giver always gives---that was the case with Saudi arabia and Emirates----we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---and suddenly they asked for something---and as we had no clue how to give---we refused---and we refused horribly and humiliated and degraded our well wishers.

So---again---we are at a cross roads----now turkey may want assistance---so if we give them assistance---then what would we say to emirates and Saudi arabia----.

That yemen issue would bite Pakistan in the ar-se real hard----the pay back for that felony offense would be tough to swallow.


You are right---when one is a beggar for whole of his life---it becomes next to impossible to give---.

Sir .... with due respect I would differ with your opinion on the grounds that totally different scenarios are being faced by turkey and Saudis, turkey is facing inhouse issues like PKK further supported by the outside through kurd movements not part of turkish land (I would love to be corrected by turkish member or any knowledgeable member if I am wrong) and help demanded by turks is for themselves to cater for in-house terrorism on the contrary Saudis are demanding help to invade other country..... where Saudis are trying to enforce their thoughts (yemen) .... BTW they could have gone the way Iran did i.e. support whom they wanted covertly.

 

[pigtaker]

China is not against Turkey and it is not against China nor Russia but merely a confusion. Its against ISIS.

what make you think china not go against turk ? are you naive to believe that we will let turk go free after what it did to us, the conclusion our national media has recognized ? beleive me, whether you help your turk brother or not, we will make sure turks suffer big and pay the heavy price unbearable to them.

It is already an open secret that china fully commit its support to PKK now, and once we start something, we will make sure it gets done.

 

[Farah Sohail]

I know Turkey is not only an ally but a brother to us.But still that doesnt make PKK a threat to Pakistan.As far as ISIS is concerned,its not present in Pakistan.Just some TTP factions and some other smaller terrorist groups have shown support for ISIS.But for now,there is no real threat from ISIS.We just have to man the afghanistan border and if possible build a wall there.to stop further incursions and effectively implement NAP in all cities of Pakistan.That would be all to protect us from from all internal and external terrorists threats.

Tamil tigers were not a threat to Pakistan, but Pak did help Srilanka which was an ally and a friendly country.. Turkey is a brother country tht has ALWAYS supported Pakistan, in its difficult times, so why not support turkey tht is facing similar challenges as Pak, and we already have much experience in dealing this kind of war?

 

[-SINAN-]

Our military is tearing PKK apart. We killed more than 2000 Terrorists in the last 3 months and everyday we are killing 10-20 terrorists.

PKK is in a desperate situation as they unilaterally declared ceasefire 1 week ago. Their top commanders fled to Syria and Iran from Iraq.

Pakistani solidarity is more than enough for us.

 

[PakEagle]

You can't chose a point of reference, a cut of point in history, to suit your agenda.

"Kurdistan" was always a part of Ottoman Empire, well Kashmir was part of the Sikh and Dogra Empire, and so was a lot of parts of what is now Pakistan. Just because a piece of land was part of some Imperial force a couple of centuries back doesn't mean it needs to, today as well.

You can't say for example that Kashmiris deserve right to self-determination and Kurds do not, simply because Kurdish regions have been under Turk rule., and if you do that makes you a hypocrite. Its a moral stand, either you stand up for the right to self determination for every group, or you don't for anyone.

Your basics are wrong completely sub continent was divided on religious lines and all muslims majority areas were given to Pak and Kashmir being muslims majority was supposed to be part of Pakistan while this PKK thing is different its more like Turkish internal matter as Maoists are indias internal matter.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Tamil tigers were not a threat to Pakistan, but Pak did help Srilanka which was an ally and a friendly country.. Turkey is a brother country tht has ALWAYS supported Pakistan, in its difficult times, so why not support turkey tht is facing similar challenges as Pak, and we already have much experience in dealing this kind of war?

Where did i say that we should not help turkey.Please read my first post on this thread.I was just saying to Zarvan that PKK and (for now ISIS too). is not a threat to us .

 

[Farah Sohail]

Our military is tearing PKK apart. We killed more than 2000 Terrorists in the last 3 months and everyday we are killing 10-20 terrorists.

PKK is in a desperate situation as they unilaterally declared ceasefire 1 week ago. Their top commanders fled to Syria and Iran from Iraq.

Pakistani solidarity is more than enough for us.

Dont worry.. Gen Raheel Sharif is in turkey, just for assuring our full support. ISPR has said this openly in its public statements tht we will intensify cooperation with Turkey in anti terror ops and tht Gen Raheel Sharif has assured full support to Turkish leadership/ brothers.. If there was even an inch of hesitation in providing support to turkey which it has requested, ISPR would not have come up with public statements like these... So whatever experience we have in dealing this kind of war, Pak will be more than happy to share with Turkish leadership.. We know turkish military doesnt need at all our boots on ground or equiment unlike GCC... turkey has a more advanced military than Pak.....All it needs is ..maybe our advise in devising strategy and tactics which Pak will be more than willing to share to help a brotherly nation as Turkey