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So what do we do now?

We just follow the footsteps of those Muslims who were better then us, who took control of Qibla-e-awal. Simple!


So we are relying on his wisdom from centuries ago to demand control over it now?

Just one more thing for you to understand. Wisdom has got no expiry date. Otherwise Allah would not have preserved the wisdom of Luqman in Quran, who lived long before prophet (PBUH).
 
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We just follow the footsteps of those Muslims who were better then us, who took control of Qibla-e-awal. Simple!




Just one more thing for you to understand. Wisdom has got no expiry date. Otherwise Allah would not have preserved the wisdom of Luqman in Quran, who lived long before prophet (PBUH).

So are you planning on invading on horseback with swords in the 21st century? May be it is not so simple to create a credible force to wrestle control back? In the context of this thread, what steps will actually bring to fruition this protective force being proposed?
 
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So 60 years digging, 15 years under the foundations, and the mosque still stands with the blessings of Allah. Cracks appear in such grands old building just from aging and settling, and need constant care and attention to keep in good repair.

The impact of the digging under Al Aqsa Mosque already led people to leave their homes:

Damaged homes, endangered people

Over the past few years, the digging has caused severe structural and foundational damage to Palestinian homes, particularly in Silwan, experts say.


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In 2017, a group of 25 residents were forced to leave their homes in the town due to such damage making the buildings unsafe to live in.

The tunnels have also started to constitute a major threat to the foundations of the Al Aqsa Mosque compound.

Most of the tunnels are concentrated below the western ramparts of the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and the Western Wall - known to Muslims as the al-Buraq wall - and below the Umayyad palaces south of the mosque, extending to the centre of Silwan.

Researcher Najeh Bkairat told MEE that the tunnel network branches out and extends to the Al-Qarmi neighbourhood, west of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City, as well as to the east and north near Damascus Gate, along with southern branches reaching Silwan.

The consequences have been severe, Bkairat said, causing cracks in large buildings, and affecting the foundations of 16 Islamic monuments along the route.

According to the Silwan-based Wadi Hilweh Information Center, due to the recent excavations, the area of Ein al-Hilweh has suffered landslides, with ground in playgrounds, parking lots, and lands belonging to the Greek Orthodox Church collapsing. Damage to infrastructure has become more severe during the winter season at times of heavy rain.

Bkairat says that, overall, the structures most affected by the digging are in the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, particularly the al-Marwani Prayer Hall, and cypress trees whose roots have been damaged.

Not only have excavations resulted in cracks and collapses in historic buildings west of Al-Aqsa, but a number of tombs have also been affected and have been sliding downwards, the researcher said.

Since the start of excavations, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (Unesco) has called on Israel to halt its digging, stressing the illegality of such actions in occupied territory.

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Israel, for its part, refuses to allow access to UNESCO to examine the holy sites in East Jerusalem.
 
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Since the start of excavations, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (Unesco) has called on Israel to halt its digging, stressing the illegality of such actions in occupied territory.

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Israel, for its part, refuses to allow access to UNESCO to examine the holy sites in East Jerusalem.

So UNESCO calls Israeli occupation of the area illegal and then expects to be permitted to travel and inspect the area?

Regardless, repair and maintenance of buildings of such age is a constant task. 60 years of excavations under it and still no collapse is probably an archeological standard of some kind, at least. Please do remember that there are lunatic zealots on the other side too. However, sanity must be restored by majorities on both sides if there is to be any feasible solution to be found.
 
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Ah yes, ad hominem attacks to cover the lack of any logical basis to refute. Doesn't work. Where have I decided anything for anyone else?

Ah The Mendacious Mr. Cheng... leading the discourse, The judge and The jury...

Logical basis? Really? Tell me Mr. Cheng why should YOU be allowed to live in your own home?
Does that work?
If Jews can kick others out, so can they be kicked out!
Can you not have a single post without a question mark?
 
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They have an objection thats why a visit is warrant... :what:

It is a matter for the UNO to decide in negotiations with the concerned governments. Merely demanding access probably will not go very far, as we can see.
Ah The Mendacious Mr. Cheng... leading the discourse, The judge and The jury...

Logical basis? Really? Tell me Mr. Cheng why should YOU be allowed to live in your own home?
Does that work?
If Jews can kick others out, so can they be kicked out!
Can you not have a single post without a question mark?

You are the liar here. Al Aqsa mosque, to which my comments clearly referred, is not a home, but a blessed holy site, where regular prayers are still held. And there is no demonstrable religious obligation to demand control over it, is there? BY ANY RELIGION.
 
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It is a matter for the UNO to decide in negotiations with the concerned governments.

Historically, Israel denied any visits to any foreign observers including the UNO representatives for any independent assessment on the issues concerning the concerned governments...that really helps... :D
 
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Historically, Israel denied any visits to any foreign observers including the UNO representatives for any independent assessment on the issues concerning the concerned governments...that really helps... :D

May be it is time to change tactics if what has been tried historically is not working in achieving its desired goals?
 
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So are you planning on invading on horseback with swords in the 21st century? May be it is not so simple to create a credible force to wrestle control back? In the context of this thread, what steps will actually bring to fruition this protective force being proposed?

Right! That sword and horse argument, are people still using it in this day and age. well apparently you are!

Pardon me, I am not military strategist neither a general, I will let the nitty gritty to those who planned and executed two successful ejections of super powers from an occupied territory. So I say, dealing with a tiny shithole like Israel, the chances of success are very high.
 
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May be it is time to change tactics if what has been tried historically is not working in achieving its desired goals?
Ok so thinking out loud here about the change of tactics, let see what we have tried so far:

1. Independent observers NOT allowed
2. UNO representatives NOT allowed
3. Independent media NOT allowed
4. All resolutions against Israel in UNO is VETO by US

hmmm...new tactics...

any suggestions...oh I see, agree and accept Israel's narrative ...
 
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You are the liar here. Al Aqsa mosque, to which my comments clearly referred, is not a home, but a blessed holy site, where regular prayers are still held. And there is no demonstrable religious obligation to demand control over it, is there? BY ANY RELIGION.

The Auspicious and honorable Mr. Cheng! Ad hominem? What...‽

Anyways, "demonstrable" to whom? Temple Mount, AL Aqsa and Dome of the Rock ARE under it's rightful authority by the "Jerusalem Waqf" under the Jordanian dominion! Settled?

Second, those who built it use it i.e. Muslims...
Ask Titus why he raised the Jewish Temple and exiled Jews!
Have at it!
 
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Ok so thinking out loud here about the change of tactics, let see what we have tried so far:

1. Independent observers NOT allowed
2. UNO representatives NOT allowed
3. Independent media NOT allowed
4. All resolutions against Israel in UNO is VETO by US

hmmm...new tactics...

any suggestions...oh I see, agree and accept Israel's narrative ...

These hasbara trolls are pre program bots, with hardwired firmware, cant be upgraded or made better.
 
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YOU MUST HAVE CONTROL OVER TO WHAT BELONGS TO YOU
Who has the gun has ownership. Go mess with the Queen and see what happens. Your not going to pick the gun up. I am not. @VCheng certainly is not. Neither will all the PDF warriors. Erdogan will not. Imran Khan will not. Mohammed Bin Salman would even hug Netanyu if he got the chance.

So tell me who will pick the gun to take back what is yours?
 
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