Turkey Is Changing the Middle East. The U.S. Doesn’t Get It. - Bloomberg.com

[Kaniska]

because of to block possible gas and oil pipe line projects between Iran and China via Afghanistan

Pakistan is not threat to the west and Israel
Pakistan has no potential and experience to organize Islamic World
but with Turkey





Pakistan is nothing in Balkans and Africa and in the Middle East

on the other hand Turkey is everywhere with great history and soft power , even with military ( Balkans,Syria,Iraq,Qatar,Somalia,Africa, Asia,etc )

even the US,Israel and S.Arabia supported dictator SISI to destroy alliance between Turkey and Egypt
because of the Turks easly can unite Islamic World , problem is puppet dictators SISI,Saudi Family,etc

since 2013 Turkish economy is under attack by the West and 1 USD has risen to 5,4 TL from 1,8 TL
Turkish currency dropped by 300% since 2013
if not , today Turkey would have $1,8 trillion of GDP Nominal .... 2x Turkey = 1 Germany

in 2002 Turkey had $230 billion of GDP Nominal .. 10x Turkey = 1 Germany
in 2013 Turkey had $860 billion of GDP Nominal .. 4x Turkey = 1 Germany

Turkey is industrialized country
Turkey develops all weapons for Islamic World
Turks have 2200 years state and military tradition
and We Turks kicked all American proxies traitor scums since 2013 , now Turkey is independent









Turkish People helps all muslims around the world

You dont compare alawites and some secular communists with Sunni muslim Turkish People
They dont have vision and consciousness

but Sunni muslim Turkish People has strongest religious identity to unite Islamic world
We Turks fought Crusaders and Christian World around 1.000 years for ISLAM


Everybody attacks TURKEY
even criminal terrorist in New Zelland threatened Turkey and ERDOGAN , because of zionist CIA,MI6 and MOSSAD target ERDOGAN who is only problem for American-British-Israeli interests in Palestine

Pakistan can say nothing to China to support muslims in Xinjiang
but Turkey says everything to the US and Israel to support muslims in Palestine
Turkey says everything to China to support muslims in Xinjiang

Turks are so great and real muslim country in the world
rest of them think of their own interests


so Muslims should be unite or superpowers the West-Israel , China , India , even Russia always will destroy weak and defenseless Muslims .... and Turkey or Pakistan or any muslim country have no potential to become superpower

but 1.8 billion Islamic World together can become super power against the West-Israel , China , India , Russia

and Turkey and Pakistan only hope for 1.8 billion Islamic World

Calm down...Turkey has definitely has rich history and legacy in Islamic world..So does Afghanistan, Mongols and Other races across the world have similar history too...Your stake to leadership should be guided with reconciliatory tone and take every one along with you...Then other Muslim nations will look as an inspiration from you..

 

[waz]

Troll now folks it will be a thread ban. Resist then it's a forum ban.

 

[925boy]

because of to block possible gas and oil pipe line projects between Iran and China via Afghanistan

Pakistan is not threat to the west and Israel
Pakistan has no potential and experience to organize Islamic World
but with Turkey





Pakistan is nothing in Balkans and Africa and in the Middle East

on the other hand Turkey is everywhere with great history and soft power , even with military ( Balkans,Syria,Iraq,Qatar,Somalia,Africa, Asia,etc )

even the US,Israel and S.Arabia supported dictator SISI to destroy alliance between Turkey and Egypt
because of the Turks easly can unite Islamic World , problem is puppet dictators SISI,Saudi Family,etc

since 2013 Turkish economy is under attack by the West and 1 USD has risen to 5,4 TL from 1,8 TL
Turkish currency dropped by 300% since 2013
if not , today Turkey would have $1,8 trillion of GDP Nominal .... 2x Turkey = 1 Germany

in 2002 Turkey had $230 billion of GDP Nominal .. 10x Turkey = 1 Germany
in 2013 Turkey had $860 billion of GDP Nominal .. 4x Turkey = 1 Germany

Turkey is industrialized country
Turkey develops all weapons for Islamic World
Turks have 2200 years state and military tradition
and We Turks kicked all American proxies traitor scums since 2013 , now Turkey is independent









Turkish People helps all muslims around the world

You dont compare alawites and some secular communists with Sunni muslim Turkish People
They dont have vision and consciousness

but Sunni muslim Turkish People has strongest religious identity to unite Islamic world
We Turks fought Crusaders and Christian World around 1.000 years for ISLAM


Everybody attacks TURKEY
even criminal terrorist in New Zelland threatened Turkey and ERDOGAN , because of zionist CIA,MI6 and MOSSAD target ERDOGAN who is only problem for American-British-Israeli interests in Palestine

Pakistan can say nothing to China to support muslims in Xinjiang
but Turkey says everything to the US and Israel to support muslims in Palestine
Turkey says everything to China to support muslims in Xinjiang

Turks are so great and real muslim country in the world
rest of them think of their own interests


so Muslims should be unite or superpowers the West-Israel , China , India , even Russia always will destroy weak and defenseless Muslims .... and Turkey or Pakistan or any muslim country have no potential to become superpower

but 1.8 billion Islamic World together can become super power against the West-Israel , China , India , Russia

and Turkey and Pakistan only hope for 1.8 billion Islamic World

Bro, i give you credit for correctly expressing and detailing Turkey's achievements. I agree Turkey is a very powerful muslim country.

But lets get to the truth and main issue- Turkey is a big dog, in NATO's kernel.

You cant lead the muslim world when your world power also rests majorly on western, Christian world powers. World muslims will just say you're NATO's proxy, and its hard to argue against that. For example, you have soooo much, but in the ME(for ex.) what can you do that US/NATO doesnt have to veto first? only non-controversial, "unimportant" things, so you essentially dont have a free hand. No, you're not free, simple. You are stronger, wealthier, more networked, more connected than Iran, but Iran is free to do whatever in the ME.
Look at Marvi Mara!- Israel abused your boat and all you did was bark. how are muslims worldwise supposed to believe you can lead and protect them when you cant even do anything to US/NATO's "preferred partner"/proxy Israel??

 

[MMM-E]

So does Afghanistan, Mongols and Other races across the world have similar history too

all of them including India were ruled by the Turkic dynasties in the last 1000 years

and now Afghanistan, Mongols and Others are so weak and pathetic

almost all muslim nations are with Turkey .... problem is puppet dictators SISI ,Saudi Family ,etc
even the US,Israel and S.Arabia supported dictator SISI to destroy alliance between Turkey and Egypt
because of the Turks easly can unite Islamic World

-- The Tulunids were a dynasty of Turkic origin and were the first independent dynasty to rule Egypt as well as much of Syria in 868
-- also Turkic Burid and Zengid dynasties ruled Syria between 1100 and 1250
-- also Turkic Bahri dynasty ruled Egypt between 1250 and 1389 ( the Mamluk Sultanate was dominated by the Kipchak Turkic Bahri dynasty )
-- also after 1517 Ottoman Empire ruled all Middle East including Egypt for 400 years

BAIBARS KHAN was Turkic origin Sultan of Egypt in the Mamluk Bahri dynasty
He was Commander of the Turkic MAMLUK forces that inflicted a defeat on the 7th Crusade of King Louis IX of France

Turkic origin BAIBARS KHAN also led the vanguard of the Turkic MAMLUK forces at the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 which marked the first substantial defeat of the Mongol army and is considered a turning point in history


even Iran was ruled by Turkic dynasties between 960s and 1925

also Great Seljuk Empire ( TURKS ) beat Crusaders and saved Islamic World
also Super Power Ottoman Empire ( TURKS ) fought more than 100 times against Christian World

so TURKS fought against christians to protect ISLAMIC World for over 900 years ( other muslim nations are not even close )

 

[MMM-E]

Bro, i give you credit for correctly expressing and detailing Turkey's achievements. I agree Turkey is a very powerful muslim country.

But lets get to the truth and main issue- Turkey is a big dog, in NATO's kernel.

You cant lead the muslim world when your world power also rests majorly on western, Christian world powers. World muslims will just say you're NATO's proxy, and its hard to argue against that. For example, you have soooo much, but in the ME(for ex.) what can you do that US/NATO doesnt have to veto first? only non-controversial, "unimportant" things, so you essentially dont have a free hand. No, you're not free, simple. You are stronger, wealthier, more networked, more connected than Iran, but Iran is free to do whatever in the ME.
Look at Marvi Mara!- Israel abused your boat and all you did was bark. how are muslims worldwise supposed to believe you can lead and protect them when you cant even do anything to US/NATO's "preferred partner"/proxy Israel??

I can say that Pakistan is big dog in SCO's kernel ............ this is true ?
or Iran is lapdog of Russia ........ this is true ?

I remind you the US and NATO attacks Turkey since 2010 because of ERDOGAN criticized Israeli SHIMON PERES in 2009 DAVOS to support muslims in Palestine against the US and Israel

and I remind you , in 2010 only Turkey and Brazil supported Iran for nuclear propram against the US and Israel
and the US - Israel attacked Turkey and Brazil ,,, the US - Israel destroyed the government in Brazil and finally they could find a lapdog to the US and Israel

the US - Israel and proxies attacks Turkey since 2013
but the US - Israel failed in Turkey to destroy ERDOGAN since 2013

maybe Turks are stupid to commit suicide for Palestine,Iran and other Muslims






and You are talking about criminal murderer , sectarian Iran who is hiding behind of Russia and China to create chaos in Iraq,Syria,Lebanon,Yemen

even OBAMA gave Iraq to Iran ,,, without Russian,Chinese even sometime American support Iran can not do anyshit in the Middle East

without the US,the UK,France and Russia , middle east would be ruled by the Turks for peace and justice
and Israel can not touch muslims in Palestine ... even if Israel respect Palestine , the nobody can touch Israel ,,, when christian Europe slaughtered the jews in the 15th century , We Turks saved Jews
and Iran can not touch muslims in Iraq,Syria,Yemen,etc
but puppet Arabian dictators are traitors , they support christian the US and the UK to kill more muslim Arabs and to destroy more muslim Arab countries


Israel killed hundreds of Iranians in Syria , Iran can not even barking


Israel is not alone
Israel = the US,the UK,France , even Germany


so Turkey wants to unite 1,8 billion Islamic World to save weak and defenseless muslims around the world from 5 bandit countries the US-Israel , the UK , France , Russia and China


and Turks are not stupid to fight Israel with NATO Weapons
when true time comes , then We will see Israel's courage
so Turkey develops over 600 military projects to become independent ( Iran,Pakistan,Egypt S.Arabia,Indonesia are not even close )


for example

Aselsan IFF Mod5/S long range (friend or foe) Identification System ( only 4 countries in NATO and 7 countries in the World )

-- Long range operability ( 250 nm / 463 km )
-- Lethal interrogation capability

Long Range IFF Mod 5/S interrogator

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

because of to block possible gas and oil pipe line projects between Iran and China via Afghanistan

Pakistan is not threat to the west and Israel
Pakistan has no potential and experience to organize Islamic World
but with Turkey





Pakistan is nothing in Balkans and Africa and in the Middle East

on the other hand Turkey is everywhere with great history and soft power , even with military ( Balkans,Syria,Iraq,Qatar,Somalia,Africa, Asia,etc )

even the US,Israel and S.Arabia supported dictator SISI to destroy alliance between Turkey and Egypt
because of the Turks easly can unite Islamic World , problem is puppet dictators SISI,Saudi Family,etc

since 2013 Turkish economy is under attack by the West and 1 USD has risen to 5,4 TL from 1,8 TL
Turkish currency dropped by 300% since 2013
if not , today Turkey would have $1,8 trillion of GDP Nominal .... 2x Turkey = 1 Germany

in 2002 Turkey had $230 billion of GDP Nominal .. 10x Turkey = 1 Germany
in 2013 Turkey had $860 billion of GDP Nominal .. 4x Turkey = 1 Germany

Turkey is industrialized country
Turkey develops all weapons for Islamic World
Turks have 2200 years state and military tradition
and We Turks kicked all American proxies traitor scums since 2013 , now Turkey is independent









Turkish People helps all muslims around the world

You dont compare alawites and some secular communists with Sunni muslim Turkish People
They dont have vision and consciousness

but Sunni muslim Turkish People has strongest religious identity to unite Islamic world
We Turks fought Crusaders and Christian World around 1.000 years for ISLAM


Everybody attacks TURKEY
even criminal terrorist in New Zelland threatened Turkey and ERDOGAN , because of zionist CIA,MI6 and MOSSAD target ERDOGAN who is only problem for American-British-Israeli interests in Palestine

Pakistan can say nothing to China to support muslims in Xinjiang
but Turkey says everything to the US and Israel to support muslims in Palestine
Turkey says everything to China to support muslims in Xinjiang

Turks are so great and real muslim country in the world
rest of them think of their own interests


so Muslims should be unite or superpowers the West-Israel , China , India , even Russia always will destroy weak and defenseless Muslims .... and Turkey or Pakistan or any muslim country have no potential to become superpower

but 1.8 billion Islamic World together can become super power against the West-Israel , China , India , Russia

and Turkey and Pakistan only hope for 1.8 billion Islamic World

All the best to Turkey, it is our brother country with which we have no qualms.

I would advise you to do more research on Pakistan. You can try reading some of the threads on Pakistani military/history/prehistory/politics in this forum.

Calm down...Turkey has definitely has rich history and legacy in Islamic world..So does Afghanistan, Mongols and Other races across the world have similar history too...Your stake to leadership should be guided with reconciliatory tone and take every one along with you...Then other Muslim nations will look as an inspiration from you..

You make some good sense sometimes for a Non-Muslim Indian.

The problem with Turkey, Iran, Arabs is the large ego and inability to work with fellow Muslim countries. They try to Rambo everything but end up creating a mess and having no direction. @OsmanAli98

There is a solid vision today which I am seeing emerging out of Pakistan and Afghanistan (Khorasaan region as mentioned in hadith.)

Muslims will have to cut their connections to the West and forge a new direction, but unfortunately many of us are attached to various degrees to Washington.

Strong and bold leadership is needed now. The Muslim world needs a beacon of hope and guiding light which is fearless.

Since 2001, Pakistan faced untold suffering alone and dealt with the proxy wars imposed on it, and now with the qudrat (will) of Allah swt we have emerged stronger than before and are ready to reclaim our commanding position in the Muslim world, to be done without any racial, sectarian, or ethnic chauvinism but for the cause of absolute unity of Muslims.

The vacuum created by US departure and Indian internal weakness will be filled by a rising Pakistan.

We are ready now to make our place in the world with our Naya Pakistan.

 

[yavar]

Turkey, Iran launch joint raid against Kurdish rebels – minister

https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey-iran-launch-joint-raid-against-kurdish-rebels-minister/

fake news
fully and categorically denied by Iran


Armed Forces Official Says Iran Not Involved in Turkey Operation against PKK

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...-not-involved-in-turkey-operation-against-pkk

usull lies by current Turkish administration

 

[MMM-E]

usull lies by current Turkish administration

as always its political maneuver by liar and treacherous Persians

Turkey doesnt need Iran to operate against Pkk in Turkey

Iran control Pkk leaders in Kandil/Iraq ,, and Iran use it as blackmail to Pkk leaders
Iran never will be with Turkey to operate against Pkk in Kandil/Iraq

 

[anatolia]

Politics & Policy
Turkey Is Changing the Middle East. The U.S. Doesn’t Get It.
Leadership of the Islamic world is shifting, weakening the anti-Iran coalition.

By
Hussein Ibish
14. März 2019, 07:00 MEZ

Getting stronger. Photographer: Emrah Yorulmaz/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
Hussein Ibish is a senior resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington.


The Middle East is changing fast but the U.S. seems to be the last government to realize it and respond.

For at least 10 years, the region has been caricatured as divided into two camps: a pro-Iranian coalition and a looser but larger group that opposes Iran's ambitions. For short, it’s sometimes foolishly reduced to a Sunni-Shiite sectarian divide.

That was always a distortion, and it's become increasingly clear that, while the pro- and anti-Iranian camps do exist, there’s also a distinctive third bloc emerging, with a Sunni Islamist orientation, led by Turkey. Ankara is turning into a major regional player with its own agenda, ambitions, ideology and allies.

QuicktakeU.S. and Turkey at Odds

The key players in the anti-Iranian group are pro-American: Arab states like Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Jordan and Israel. The war in Syria unified this group with Turkey and its allies starting in 2011, in shared opposition to the Iranian-backed dictator Bashar Assad.

But when rebel-held parts of Aleppo fell to pro-Assad forces in December, 2016, the Syrian war effectively ended along with the united front against Iran. Turkey instead began to focus on containing Kurdish militias in northern Syria and forging a partnership with Russia, Iran and Assad. It no longer views Iran as an adversary, but as a rival or, sometimes, a partner.

Turkey's role at the epicenter of a new Middle East alliance was consolidated by the 2017 boycott of Qatar by Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt. Qatar has relied on Turkey, which maintains a military base in that country, for support against the boycott. Qatar also needs to maintain cordial relations with Iran because those countries share a natural gas field that provides Qatar with its huge per capita income.

Qatar and Turkey also back the regional Sunni Islamist Muslim Brotherhood movement, and its support for those organizations, including Hamas, was a major cause of the boycott. During the Syrian war, Hamas had to choose between its Sunni Islamist identity and its alliance with Shiite Iran and Alawite Syria, where it was headquartered. Eventually it fled Syria, abandoning assets and property.

But now, just as Turkey and Qatar are growing closer to Iran, Hamas is renewing its Iranian ties.

Israel and most pro-American Arab states view the consolidation of this Turkish-led coalition with alarm partly because it weakens the anti-Iranian camp.

Moreover, if Turkey — finally turning away from Europe after a century of unsuccessful efforts to integrate with the West — fixes its gaze eastward, it could become a regional hegemon as ambitious as Iran and more effective.

Turkey has a larger economy, more sophisticated technology and a stronger military. It also remains a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Turkey isn't as disruptive as Iran, but could become so, or at least as domineering, over the long run.

Turkey has not hidden its growing ambition to revive the dominance that the Ottoman Empire enjoyed over much of the Islamic world. At a recent rally, Turkish Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu declared, “We are not only just Turkey, but also Damascus, Aleppo, Kirkuk, Jerusalem, Palestine, Mecca and Medina.”

Former U.S. officials involved in counterterrorism campaigns in the region say they have seen Turkish government maps showing their spheres of influence extending to into Saudi Arabia and down to Basra, Iraq.

Turkey’s longstanding rivalry with Saudi Arabia, which dates to the early 19th century, has erupted again, and was on full display during the diplomatic crisis over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi by Saudi agents at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2, 2018.

In the ensuing uproar, Turkey was careful not to rupture all ties with Riyadh. But its government did everything it could to embarrass and weaken Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan used the fracas to declare that “Turkey is the only country that can lead the Muslim world.” That's a direct rejection of the implicit claim of Saudi Arabia and the explicit claim of Iran to global Islamic leadership.

Annual conferences in Turkey bring together Erdogan’s AKP party with Arab Muslim Brothers from around the region to promote a Turkish-led Sunni Islamist political agenda.

Israel and Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Egypt are alarmed that they not only have to deal with expanding Iranian influence, but now face a Sunni Islamist alliance led by Turkey and financed by Qatar.

And they fear that if this coalition thrives, it could grow to include currently pro-American states such as Jordan and Kuwait.

The administration of President Donald Trump has been slow to react. Despite warnings from the diplomatic and security experts who formerly worked for Trump, there’s no sign that key U.S. leaders, including National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have figured out how to respond.

Now that Turkey is no longer a U.S. partner in the Middle East and has an agenda that clashes with the interests of the U.S. and its Israeli and Arab allies, changes in U.S. attitudes are required. That involves developing alternatives to the Incirlik Air Base in southern Turkey and cutting back on military cooperation and supplies, especially given Turkey’s provocative determination to purchase Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missiles.

The U.S. must be clear about its own expectations and leverage the cooperation that Turkey still needs to ensure that Erdogan respects the interests of the U.S.-led Middle East partnership.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...-1-in-arms-sales-as-russia-loses-market-share

None of islamic country need a boss!!! We Turkish not a Boss of anyone!! We should focus on our country cos we are still poor country and still need to be develop more!!! I don’t know why some Turkish member spread bulls** and fake stupid dreams..

 

[IblinI]

None of islamic country need a boss!!! We Turkish not a Boss of anyone!! We should focus on our country cos we are still poor country and still need to be develop more!!! I don’t know why some Turkish member spread bulls** and fake stupid dreams..

I am always having fun reading his list of dreams and defence projects that will shock the world in 2023.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

None of islamic country need a boss!!! We Turkish not a Boss of anyone!! We should focus on our country cos we are still poor country and still need to be develop more!!! I don’t know why some Turkish member spread bulls** and fake stupid dreams..

Yes, focus should be about economic self-sufficiency, transparent governance, higher education, and human development. Turkey is ahead of all other Muslim nations here.

We must not become complacent but must strive for the betterment of our people. Once a balanced economic, political model is formed, we can focus on uplifting our brother Muslim nations who are not as fortunate.

Just like a Turkey, Pakistan has a unique place in the polity of Islamic nations. We can develop ourselves and borrow what works from each other.

We have mutual benefit of seeing the rise of all brotherly states.

 

[yavar]

Turkey doesnt need Iran to operate against Pkk in Turkey
Iran never will be with Turkey to operate against Pkk in Kandil/Iraq

i fully agree that Turkey does not need Iran . you see the problem is we were not the one who said it

it was state-run Anadolu news agency quoted the interior minister Turkey saying it


so it got nothing to do with ltreacherous Persians

the iar is you and Turkish President

Turkish President Claims Iran Joins Military Offensive Against Kurdish Separatists

https://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-says-iran-joins-military-offensive-against-kurds/29829247.html

 

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i fully agree that Turkey does not need Iran . you see the problem is we were not the one who said it

it was state-run Anadolu news agency quoted the interior minister Turkey saying it


so it got nothing to do with ltreacherous Persians

the iar is you and Turkish President

Turkish President Claims Iran Joins Military Offensive Against Kurdish Separatists

https://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-says-iran-joins-military-offensive-against-kurds/29829247.html

We very well know about liar treacherous Persians alwasy says that we are with Turkey against Pkk terrorism ,
but in reality Iran support Pkk terrorism against Turkey

btw Turkey-Iran-Iraq kicked 2017 BARZANI referendum in N.Iraq

 

[Boss Dragun]

Lol look at these Imam Mahdi wannabe nationalistic trolls. This is why we can't have khalifah today, too many nationalistic "Abu Jahals" around the world. I'm so glad none of my peoples buys this bullshits. Alhamdulillah.

 

[yavar]

btw Turkey-Iran-Iraq kicked 2017 BARZANI referendum in N.Iraq

second delusion
it was only only IRGC Quis and PMU the one only one capture
that led to Karzani gang losing oil field and Kurkestan lost its income which has so far leed to Iraq Region Kurkistan economy suffring near collapse .

if you should know the public offces Iraq Region Kurkistan are not reseving there salaries

which soon or later will lead to uprising and distanlastion Iraq Kurdistan


Solimani two days before referendum in K Iraqi Kurdistan in Sulaimaniyah,
IRGC Quds Hajj Qassem honour Fmr Iraqi President Talabani

Iraq Kirkuk photos Ayatollah Khamenei inside governorate building

Iraq Aras 4x4 MLRS vehicle in Kirkuk, PMU chief

Iraq (PMU) in Kirkuk, downing portrait of Masoud Barzani

i24 news reporting of Peshmerga after liberation Kirkuk: we will fight Soleimani

I Don't know where you find Turkey or even Iraq to do with referendum
usually baseless claim

the last
Peshmergh crying escape from Kirkuk