Turkey hits China hard over Uighur. Why now?

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

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''Sinicization means thoroughly transforming the ideology of religious figures, and eliminating pure religious beliefs,”

“The ultimate goal is to eliminate Christianity, and also to eliminate Taoism, Buddhism, and Islam, with only communism remaining in the end.”
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The Islam:

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• Jiayuguan Mosque... At the entrance to the mosque, the “Five ‘Musts’ of Patriotism” are written on the left side of the wall, and the “Core Socialist Values” are written on the right side.

• the mosque’s imam has been replaced with an imam assigned by the government. Before worship begins, the imam must first promote the state’s policies.

• “The government’s purpose of doing this is to ‘sinicize’ all Hui people and our faith,”said one elderly Muslim.
  
  • “You can’t buy the Quran in Jiayuguan city at all, nor are there any Arabic-language schools. From an early age, the children of Hui people can only learn Chinese. Islam is gradually being annihilated by the government.”

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The Christianity:

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• the CCP is seeking to penetrate churches with communist symbols and ideology to eliminate religion completely.
• Love of country before love of religion
• “four requirements” policy: Singing the national anthem, holding a flag-raising ceremony prior to worship, and promoting the new Regulations on Religious Affairs, and the “core socialist values” at church services.
• the city’s Religious Affairs Bureau demanded that the same church put up a portrait of Mao Zedong
  see Chairman Mao.
• the authorities stressed that slogans of the core socialist values must be posted in the church, and ordered believers to stop singing hymns praising God at the start of their gatherings and to sing songs praising the Party instead.
• “If we don’t hang the national flag, the government will close down the church. This is the policy right now,” one church member said.

• the Religious Affairs Bureau also ordered ...
  • “You absolutely have to sing it. Not only must you sing it, but you must also record the audio and video, and give it to the county’s Religious Affairs Bureau,”

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The source: https://bitterwinter.org/chinas-red-revolution-to-eliminate-religion/

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Buddhist Sites Destroyed as Illegal Constructions

• All sorts of temples – ancient, Daoist, Buddhist – are being successively destroyed.

• 2018, the Dragon King palace hall at the Zhongnan Mountain Guanyin Buddhist Monastery in the Chang’an of Shaanxi’s Xi’an city was completely destroyed...Government officials issued a “demolition notice for illegal construction”
• This happened even though the monastery had already obtained approval by local government officials for the hall’s construction

• “Since the Dragon King palace was opened up to the public, it had attracted numerous Buddhist pilgrims and tourists who came to pay their respects, but it was only officially opened for six months before being forcibly demolished, and our losses have been excessive,” the Buddhist said.

• ..another temple also suffered heavy losses. Two large outdoor Guanyin statues from Iron Buddhist Temple in Xixiang under the jurisdiction of Hanzhong city in Shaanxi, were forcibly demolished within a period of two months.
• At the beginning of November 2018, the local government started to demolish Iron Buddhist Temple’s famous “Three-Faced Guanyin” statue.

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The source: https://bitterwinter.org/buddhist-sites-destroyed-as-illegal-constructions/

 

[Beast]

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''Sinicization means thoroughly transforming the ideology of religious figures, and eliminating pure religious beliefs,”

“The ultimate goal is to eliminate Christianity, and also to eliminate Taoism, Buddhism, and Islam, with only communism remaining in the end.”
''


The Islam:

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• Jiayuguan Mosque... At the entrance to the mosque, the “Five ‘Musts’ of Patriotism” are written on the left side of the wall, and the “Core Socialist Values” are written on the right side.

• the mosque’s imam has been replaced with an imam assigned by the government. Before worship begins, the imam must first promote the state’s policies.

• “The government’s purpose of doing this is to ‘sinicize’ all Hui people and our faith,”said one elderly Muslim.
  
  • “You can’t buy the Quran in Jiayuguan city at all, nor are there any Arabic-language schools. From an early age, the children of Hui people can only learn Chinese. Islam is gradually being annihilated by the government.”

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The Christianity:

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• the CCP is seeking to penetrate churches with communist symbols and ideology to eliminate religion completely.
• Love of country before love of religion
• “four requirements” policy: Singing the national anthem, holding a flag-raising ceremony prior to worship, and promoting the new Regulations on Religious Affairs, and the “core socialist values” at church services.
• the city’s Religious Affairs Bureau demanded that the same church put up a portrait of Mao Zedong
  see Chairman Mao.
• the authorities stressed that slogans of the core socialist values must be posted in the church, and ordered believers to stop singing hymns praising God at the start of their gatherings and to sing songs praising the Party instead.
• “If we don’t hang the national flag, the government will close down the church. This is the policy right now,” one church member said.

• the Religious Affairs Bureau also ordered ...
  • “You absolutely have to sing it. Not only must you sing it, but you must also record the audio and video, and give it to the county’s Religious Affairs Bureau,”

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The source: https://bitterwinter.org/chinas-red-revolution-to-eliminate-religion/

''
Buddhist Sites Destroyed as Illegal Constructions

• All sorts of temples – ancient, Daoist, Buddhist – are being successively destroyed.

• 2018, the Dragon King palace hall at the Zhongnan Mountain Guanyin Buddhist Monastery in the Chang’an of Shaanxi’s Xi’an city was completely destroyed...Government officials issued a “demolition notice for illegal construction”
• This happened even though the monastery had already obtained approval by local government officials for the hall’s construction

• “Since the Dragon King palace was opened up to the public, it had attracted numerous Buddhist pilgrims and tourists who came to pay their respects, but it was only officially opened for six months before being forcibly demolished, and our losses have been excessive,” the Buddhist said.

• ..another temple also suffered heavy losses. Two large outdoor Guanyin statues from Iron Buddhist Temple in Xixiang under the jurisdiction of Hanzhong city in Shaanxi, were forcibly demolished within a period of two months.
• At the beginning of November 2018, the local government started to demolish Iron Buddhist Temple’s famous “Three-Faced Guanyin” statue.

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The source: https://bitterwinter.org/buddhist-sites-destroyed-as-illegal-constructions/

May I know what is wrong to be loyal to country?

You mean in turkey, being loyal to own country is not a must?

We dont care about western media

I am saying again what about re-education camps in China ?
China is not fighting terrorism
China is trying to asimilate over 1 million Muslims in NAZI style Camps under the mask of fighting terrorism





Terrorist MBS said this to China that Turkey is alone ? open your eyes and be yourself
and never forget that yet Turkey did not start to support muslims in East Turkestan


Turkey kicked the US+Israel in the UN ,,, wth is trash China ?

do you know what about UN Jerusalem resolution in 2018 ?

The United Nations General Assembly has voted by a huge majority to declare a unilateral US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital "null and void"
128 countries voted in favour of a resolution rejecting US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital
only 7 trash countries like Togo , Honduras , Palau,Nauru , voted against


-- Turkey’s ERDOGAN, Pope Francis hail UN Jerusalem vote in phone call to support muslims in Palestine against Israel

-- also in 2018 The Organization of the Islamic Conference convened at an extraordinary summit in Istanbul on May 18 to show solidarity with the Palestinian people and to denounce the relocation of the US. embassy to Jerusalem

Turkish President ERDOGAN as the rotating chairman of the 57 member body hosted leaders and senior officials from Muslim majority countries, declaring to issue a strong statement that they will never abandon Jerusalem to the state of Israel


TURKEY has over 50 brother and friend countries also anti China countries such as the US,Japan,S.Korea,Vietnam,Taiwan,Philippines,etc

the US+Turkey easly can unite over 150 countries against China and the US will be so happy with it


but Turkey has OBOR project card against China
without Turkey your OBOR project is nothing in the Trans-Caspian International Transport Route (Middle Corridor) to Italy-Balkans-Europe and in the Middle East and N.Africa

LOL.. Apologize to Russian and bow to Trump pressure by releasing US pastor who destabilize Turkey society without repercussion. Still got the cheek to brag as fearless? How selective you are.

 

[Timur]

kashmir is disputed territory between india and paksitan and its under UN agenda to solve it
while turkey is some 4 thousands km away from china and both have no territorial dispute over that land .

Why do you have a dispute

 

[SALMAN F]

If Turkey can hit hard China can hit harder with boots on erdo face

 

[Imran Khan]

Why do you have a dispute

you are off topic here sir

 

[Timur]

You mean in turkey, being loyal to own country is not a must?

There is no problem with uyghurs being loyal to China absolutely no . Just let them be muslims and uyghurs

you are off topic here sir

Ahhh good to know now we are off topic because you understood the similarity

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

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Kalbinur Tursun's daughter, Ayshe (2nd from L), appears in a still frame from a video about Uyghur children in China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.


Kalbinur Tursun is an ethnic Uyghur mother who fled oppressive policies in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) for Turkey in April 2016 while seven months pregnant and with one of her six other children in tow.

...her husband was arrested back home for “attempting to travel abroad” and “suspected terrorism.”

Her family members are believed to be among the estimated 1.1 million Uyghurs held in “political re-education camps” throughout the XUAR since April 2017 after being accused by authorities of harboring “strong religious views” and “politically incorrect” ideas.

RFA: Did you leave all your children behind when you left?

Tursun: Only one of my children had a passport, but the remaining five did not, and I was seven months pregnant when I left. I wanted to return after giving birth to bring them to Turkey, but I was unable to return.

RFA: How old was Ayshe when you left her?

Tursun: She was three.


RFA: Did they take the children away after arresting your husband?

Tursun: ... at least five or six people from each family branch that have been taken away, so in total there are 70 or 80 people who have disappeared, and we don’t know where they are.

RFA: You don’t have any information regarding any of your children?

The last time I communicated with my elder sister was on July 27, 2017, so I knew up until then that my children were in Kashgar.

It was hard before if I didn’t see them for even one day, but now we are separated and I don’t know their whereabouts.

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The source: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/children-01162019155411.html

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We can talk on whatever issue we want, if that turns your panties on fire have balls to stop us.

Right, according to you Turkish people are Anatolian Arabs, lol.

Stop discussing Muslim issues, go back to lynching Indian Muslims and exiling Bangali speaking Muslims.

We saw how in 1947, you chased out Muslims from India calling us "sons of Persians and Turks."

We know how much love you have for other Muslims.

 

[lonelyman]

Illegal Chinese de-Islamization/identification Policy in East Turkestan.

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...her mother-in-law was also taken prisoner, and Meripet learned from a friend that her 3- to 8-year-olds had been placed in a de facto orphanage in the Xinjiang region, under the care of the state that broke up her family.

• “It’s like my kids are in jail,” Meripet said, her voice cracking. “My four children are separated from me and living like orphans.”

Former detainees say

• one can be thrown into a camp for praying regularly, reading the Quran, going abroad or even speaking to someone overseas.

The camps are among the most troubling aspects of Xi’s campaign to assert the party’s dominance over all aspects of Chinese life, which has drawn comparisons with Mao Zedong. Authorities heeding Xi’s call to “Sinicize” religion across the country have

• shut underground churches , burned Bibles , replaced pictures of Jesus with ones of Xi, and toppled crescents from mosques.

In Xinjiang, detention has left countless children without their parents. Most of these families in China cannot be reached by journalists. However, the AP interviewed

• 14 Uighur families living in Turkey and one Kazakh man in Almaty with a total of 56 children who remain in China.

the start of last year, the government has budgeted more than $30 million (200 million Chinese yuan) to build or expand

• at least 45 orphanages, known variously as children’s “welfare centers” and “protection centers,” with enough beds to house about 5,000 children.
• It’s impossible to tell how many children of detainees end up at these schools because they also serve other children.

Satellite imagery shows that the kindergarten was constructed less than three years ago, just as an initiative was launched to strengthen “bilingual” education in Xinjiang. More than

• 4,300 bilingual kindergartens were built or renovated last year, according to the government.

James Leibold, an expert on Chinese ethnic policy at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia.

• “You grow up as a ward of the state,” he said. “They’re told to be patriotic citizens, told that the identity and religion of their parents was abnormal, if not radical, and thus needs to be eradicated.”

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The source: https://www.apnews.com/903a97b7c62a47b98553b6f422827dd7

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Bullshit propaganda, you better take a look of yourself what u did and are doing to Kurds and Armenians

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

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''Sinicization means thoroughly transforming the ideology of religious figures, and eliminating pure religious beliefs,”

“The ultimate goal is to eliminate Christianity, and also to eliminate Taoism, Buddhism, and Islam, with only communism remaining in the end.”
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The Islam:

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Not only Muslims in Xinjiang face persecution. China cracks down on Muslims near Beijing targets mosque for women, as faithful hide their precious books.

An imam in Hebei Province Qinhuangdao city received a notice in December 2018 from a local government department...

• “Books on faith provide answers to questions; some of them are especially popular with Muslim youth,” one Muslim told Bitter Winter. “The Chinese Communist Party wants to ‘sinicize’ religions and prevent foreign forces that would overthrow its rule. Therefore, all foreign religious books are banned.”

• “In the future, such books won’t be printed anymore,” one imam repeatedly instructed believers. “We need to treasure and preserve them, as well as Quran. There will be fewer and fewer of them in circulation.”

• One Muslim woman in her sixties complained, “What kind of world is this? Every day, [the government] is waging these campaigns to suppress religions. We have almost regressed back to the days of the Cultural Revolution.”

• In addition to targeting books on Islam, authorities in Hebei have shut down a training class at a mosque for women.

• Last September, this county’s Ethnic and Religious Affairs Bureau and other government departments notified the mosque’s director that the training class was being shut down. The reason given was that “individuals are not qualified to run schools, only the state is qualified to do so.”

• Soon afterward, the mosque became a target for persecution. The authorities sent personnel to the mosque every few days to harass believers. In the end, all three teachers and more than ten students were driven away. All the tables and chairs in the mosque were also removed.

• The imam added, “The CCP authorities restrict minors from accepting the Islamic faith, with the aim to gradually destroy the faith of the next generation of Muslims. In the end, their ideology will be dominated by atheism and Marxism-Leninism. This is the means by which the authorities are seeking to control and eliminate religion.”

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The source: https://bitterwinter.org/banning-islamic-books-closing-schools/



The Christianity:


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Party Seeks to Replace Religion with “Happy Sundays”


At 10 a.m. on Sunday, November 11, 2018, Christians were holding worship services in Sizhuangping
Village in Henan Province Outside the church, however, it was more noisy than usual. The local village committee had organized some villagers to beat gongs and play drums as part of a Happy Sunday activity.

• “In the future, you can come here for entertainment on Sundays,” said the village’s Party secretary as he greeted people. “This is a ‘turf war’ against religious people!”

...a copy of a document issued in September 2018...“Happy Sunday”...The document was jointly issued by 12 government departments

• ...“coordination of various resources and mobilization of all forces”...“The focus should be placed on rural areas (or communities) in which religious management tasks are heavy.”

*More pages in the link.

• Each of the 12 government departments involved is responsible for its own projects, targeting different segments of society and creating a variety of activities to keep people away from religious practice.

• As early as November 2014, the Xinjiang Daily website published an article entitled “With More Activities in Rural Areas, Religious Atmosphere Has Faded.”...authorities invested more than four million RMB (about $590,000) of funds... in advancing the goal of “using modern culture to dilute the religious atmosphere.”

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*The Source: https://bitterwinter.org/party-seeks-to-replace-religion-with-happy-sundays/

 

[lonelyman]

There is no problem with uyghurs being loyal to China absolutely no . Just let them be muslims and uyghurs




Ahhh good to know now we are off topic because you understood the similarity

I understand Turk memebers frustration for constant barking noise about so called Uighur issues

Saudi is with us, sauidi’s enemy Iran is with us, Pakistan is with us, all Central Asia 5 stans (true Turks by the way) are with us, whole Muslim world is with us.

Their own Erdogan is pragmatic, except a few statements, he doesn't give a shit except lip service

Except some noise from typical anti China camp in western capitals, nobody support or cares about this. By the way, Turk relationship with USA has soured to near enemy level.

Very so isolated, they vent their anger at Pakistan memebers, accusing them bow to money and not supporting them

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

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A photographic journey through a region whose identity is threatened by “sinicization.”

A man put an embroidered doppa (the traditional cap) on his son. © Maxime Crozet


Until a few years ago, the region had a majority of Uyghurs, a Sunni Muslim people speaking a Turkic language, and also included Kazakh, Hui, Kyrgyz, Mongol, Tajik, and other Central Asian minorities. Han Chinese arrived by the millions in the last decades and now amount to 40% of the local population.

An old Uyghur man in a village near Turpan. © Maxime Crozet

The CCPs strategy, aimed at suffocating any possible hope of autonomy and “sinicizing” this border regionThe ferocious repression of Uyghurs and the totalitarian control of all local populations, is now getting even worse.

An Aksakal (an old and wise man) in his village booth near Turpan. © Maxime Crozet

Traditional urban centers are being destroyed and replaced by Chinese-style buildings, and civilians are involved in the repression under the pretext of security...Even the rare tourists should pass checkpoints, submit themselves to interminable controls, and expect to be repeatedly interrogated.

Teams of knights compete in the Buzkashi, the signature sport of the nomadic populations of Central Asia. © Maxime Crozet

Two women of the Tajik minority snuggle together. © Maxime Crozet

A young girl posing gladly outside her antiquated home. © Maxime Crozet

Uyghur man in the old city of Kashgar. © Maxime Crozet

A horde of knights suddenly appears on the horizon in the Karakorum mountain range. © Maxime Crozet

An Uyghur woman at her home’s door in Kashgar. © Maxime Crozet

A man affectionately carries his daughter, dressed for a family celebration. © Maxime Crozet
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The source: https://bitterwinter.org/xinjiang-identities-on-borrowed-time/

Anecdote: Despite a foreign website and news, Any Turk member will understand the deep meaning of ''Aksakal'' without any english translation while East Turkestan thousands of kilometres away from Turkey.

 

[-SINAN-]

I understand Turk memebers frustration for constant barking noise about so called Uighur issues

Turkish members, just inform about the Massacre of Islam in the China....and Chinese members constantly bark at us, thinking that they can divert the subject if they try hard.

We have saying, "The one who stays silent against the injustice is the tongueless shaitan"

 

[lonelyman]

Turkish members, just inform about the Massacre of Islam in the China....and Chinese members constantly bark at us, thinking that they can divert the subject if they try hard.

We have saying, "The one who stays silent against the injustice is the tongueless shaitan"

U don’t give a shit about Islam, all these are from your pan-Turkic ottoman fantasy.

Saudi the custodians of two holy mosques support China on this issue, who are u in the Islam world?

how about you care Kurds suffering in your hands out of Islam brotherhood?

 

[beijingwalker]

Turkish members, just inform about the Massacre of Islam in the China....and Chinese members constantly bark at us, thinking that they can divert the subject if they try hard.

We have saying, "The one who stays silent against the injustice is the tongueless shaitan"

How come not even one Islam country is on your side?