Turkey Apologises To Russia Over Downed Jet

[Gibbs]

Yeah you can't have good terrorists and bad terrorists, yet the west still supports YPG. Hilarious

Yes, It's going to come back to bite them, As it did with Al Queda, The US armed the Mujahedeen against the Soviets, And thay payed them back with interest with 9/11, India breast fed the LTTE in Sri Lanka to create havoc, They came back to blow up the Indian PM and 3000 other Indian forces, I'm sorry if i may be inappropriate at this moment of grief of Turkish people but this has to be stated in context, It's the same case with Erdogan regime and the ISIS

And by saying that i'm in no way trying to legitimize this cowardly and disgusting attack on civilian targets by these terrorists either.. Before you guys take it out of context

 

[CrimsonFury]

Yes, It's going to come back to bite them, As it did with Al Queda, The US armed the Mujahedeen against the Soviets, And thay payed them back with interest with 9/11, India breast fed the LTTE in Sri Lanka to create havoc, They came back to blow up the Indian PM and 3000 other Indian forces, I'm sorry if i may be inappropriate at this moment of grief of Turkish people but this has to be stated in context, It's the same case with Erdogan regime and the ISIS

They will all be slaughtered, mark my words.

 

[-SINAN-]

Btw the violation of Greek airspace by Turkey is far from imaginary, And quite hypocritical as well

From our perspective, we are not violating their airspace but they are violating ours....We don't recognize self-declared Greek airspace.

From the article that you shared.
While Greece recognises 10 miles of airspace around an archipelago located in Turkish west coast, Ankara deems only six miles. Most of the aerial encounters happen only in the four-mile radius that is claimed by both.

 

[Gibbs]

They will all be slaughtered, mark my words.

Good mate.. You cant negotiate with terrorist, All that does is to give them valuable time to regroup and attack you stronger.. Sri Lanka is the only country since the 19th century to totally destroy a terror organization, And they did it with no holds bare.. And that after 30 years of utter devastation while trying to negotiate with the LTTE, One of the most ruthless and richest terrorist groups in the world at that time, Even according to the CIA.. There were obstacles all along Western governments with vested interests, International human rights organizations who's sole survival depend on third world instabilities and conflict, Indians at the start and later political and logistical support from the Indian state of Tamil Nadu.. So many.. Bu the GOSL took a firm decision and totally decimated the group ignoring all protests for the greater good of the Sri Lankan people.. And that was in 2009, Since that there has not been a single case of terrorism committed in the country and Sri Lanka remains one of the safest countries in the world

So as long as Turkey remains committed to the cause and more importantly does not play a double game in the region it will come out victorious and i hope you will, Cos i have been a great admirer of the Turkish nation and it's ideals of Ataturk.. It was the only beacon of hope in the Muslim world till a few years ago

From our perspective, we are not violating their airspace but they are violating ours....We don't recognize self-declared Greek airspace.

From the article that you shared.
While Greece recognises 10 miles of airspace around an archipelago located in Turkish west coast, Ankara deems only six miles. Most of the aerial encounters happen only in the four-mile radius that is claimed by both.

Well mate all those you violate others think the same, From the Turks to the US and Russia, Technicalities aside

 

[Deliorman]

When talking about us violating Greek air space let's get things clear:
First, there is a lot of Greek islands that are practically on a 2-3 miles distance away from our territory.
Second, there is still disputes about our economic zones in the Aegean sea over which we are not really thinking to go to war about it doesn't matter how much we argue about it.
Third, both countries are members of NATO and right now I even think relations between the countries are not as tense as to consider that a fly over an uninhabited island in the middle of nowhere is such a big threat Greeks should worry about.


On the other side you have a neighboring country in a state of destructive civil war that causes problems to whole of Europe and the Middle East with all the refugees, the terrorist threat and etc.- especially to us. You have a country that shot down our plane a couple of years ago, a country that lost a plane to us after that too so of course that a plane of a "hostile" country approaching and violating our air space can be consider as a threat. Especially when we declared that we can take all measures possible if something like that happens and it happened a lot of times before that plane being shot down no matter how many times we told this things shouldn't happen... especially considering the fact that the Su-24 was warned multiple times before being shot down... especially considering the fact that we didn't knew if this plane is Russia or Syrian.

 

[era_shield]

On the contrary a very fair comparison.. As far as Russians are concerned all rebel forces in Syria are enemies of thier allies, You cant have good terrorists and bad terrorists, I guess thats where Erdogan got it wrong as well.. Sad for the Turkish people but look whats that got them into ? Latest the horrific attack of the Airport

Btw the violation of Greek airspace by Turkey is far from imaginary, And quite hypocritical as well

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkish-warplanes-violate-greek-airspace-22-times-within-24-hours-1544036

You evidently can't understand the concept that the only case where the airspace-violating country was bombing the violated country's ally was the case of the Russian jet violating Turkish airspace (and then being shot down). It makes no difference who Russia thinks is or isn't a terrorist. That's why it got shot down, and why in most other cases of airspace violations in other countries nobody got shot down - they weren't bombing anyone in the process.

 

[Gibbs]

You evidently can't understand the concept that the only case where the airspace-violating country was bombing the violated country's ally was the case of the Russian jet violating Turkish airspace (and then being shot down). It makes no difference who Russia thinks is or isn't a terrorist. That's why it got shot down, and why in most other cases of airspace violations in other countries nobody got shot down - they weren't bombing anyone in the process.

They do.. The US have sorties almost daily in places like Yemen and Pakistan.. Saudi Arabia does as well.. Pakistan could well have downed a couple of US drones or aircraft over the years, They dont, Thats not how responsible players act, Thats exactly why non of Turkey's NATO allies backed Erdogan on his foolishness, Even though for the sake of the alliance they did'nt castigate him in public, But everyone knew they were pissed off by his antics

And thats the same reason that Erdogan had to apologize to Putin, Do you think he have would if the West stood by him on the issue ?

 

[era_shield]

They do.. The US have sorties almost daily in places like Yemen and Pakistan.. Saudi Arabia does as well.. Pakistan could well have downed a couple of US drones or aircraft over the years, They dont, Thats not how responsible players act, Thats exactly why non of Turkey's NATO allies backed Erdogan on his foolishness, Even though for the sake of the alliance they did'nt castigate him in public, But everyone knew they were pissed off by his antics

And thats the same reason that Erdogan had to apologize to Putin, Do you think he have would if the West stood by him on the issue ?

The US isn't bombing Pakistan's ally in Pakistan, it's bombing Pakistan's own enemy and being allowed to do so. Yemen is an even worse analogy for numerous reasons which should be clear, and I'm somewhat dumbfounded that you're having so much trouble understanding this. And, wrong again, NATO and the West did stand by Turkey when it shot the jet down, as you would know if you read credible news sources instead of pseudo-journalistic garbage like IBTimes. The apology has nothing to do with anything except Realpolitik and the outcome of various subsequent events in the region.

 

[Gibbs]

The US isn't bombing Pakistan's ally in Pakistan, it's bombing Pakistan's own enemy and being allowed to do so.

Bombing a Pakistani ally or not is not a matter here, Pakistani government is vehemently against the violation of their airspace and have numerous times given official protests to the US.. And it's highly hypocritical of you to even state that when Russia never ever attacked anyone or any thing within the sovereign territory of Turkey, Give us a break.. The problem therein lies, Hypocrisy.. You guys were more pissed off because Russia was beating the crap out of your so called good terrorists within Syria

And, wrong again, NATO and the West did stand by Turkey when it shot the jet down, as you would know if you read credible news sources instead of pseudo-journalistic garbage like IBTimes

Lol.. Mate everyone knew what the thoughts of NATO was at the stupid adventurism of Erdogan, NATO had no option but to put a united face for the sake of the alliance, They had no other option.. Privately it was well known they were pissed off, You think NATO wanted open warfare with Russia over a brain fart of a megalomaniac ? Yes such stupidity is like heavenly mana for jingoists in Turkey, But in the real world it's nothing but idiocy

And no, One does not have to rely on IBN times to know that

The apology has nothing to do with realpolitik, Realpolitik happens on a higher sphere of diplomacy, With no public apologies.. This is nothing but Erdogan biting way much more than he can chew and regretting it

 

[TrMhMt]

Putin says that Tayyip apologises to Russia over downed plane not pilot.

 

[bsruzm]

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...-jet.aspx?pageID=517&nID=100969&NewsCatID=510

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Strategic Depth works miracles does it not ?

What "apologises to Russia over downing of their jet are you talking about? You either can't understand or read Turkish. Should Poroshenko tell you what Erdogan's, your president's letter consists?

Poroshenko said "as far as I read, it is about sympathy for the family of the killed [pilot], and I think that it is an absolutely understandable position of Turkey's president."

I haven't seen any apologize for downing a 6,7,8,9... times warned intruder.

Ben anlamadim gitti.

No wonder.

Putin is a fool, if he lift the sankctions against the Turkey

But, considering he is sleazy bastard, scared of any kind of confrontation, I am afraid, he could do it. Sanctions should never be removed, until Erdogan is in power. Even Erdogan , has more credibility than Putin, the scammer, unable to push anything to the end and playing sleazy games. Disqusting

Sanctions on Turkey to be lifted gradually, Russian PM says

 

[era_shield]

Bombing a Pakistani ally or not is not a matter here, Pakistani government is vehemently against the violation of their airspace and have numerous times given official protests to the US.. And it's highly hypocritical of you to even state that when Russia never ever attacked anyone or any thing within the sovereign territory of Turkey, Give us a break.. The problem therein lies, Hypocrisy.. You guys were more pissed off because Russia was beating the crap out of your so called good terrorists within Syria



Lol.. Mate everyone knew what the thoughts of NATO was at the stupid adventurism of Erdogan, NATO had no option but to put a united face for the sake of the alliance, They had no other option.. Privately it was well known they were pissed off, You think NATO wanted open warfare with Russia over a brain fart of a megalomaniac ? Yes such stupidity is like heavenly mana for jingoists in Turkey, But in the real world it's nothing but idiocy

And no, One does not have to rely on IBN times to know that

The apology has nothing to do with realpolitik, Realpolitik happens on a higher sphere of diplomacy, With no public apologies.. This is nothing but Erdogan biting way much more than he can chew and regretting it

It's clear from your broken English that you're not Australian - judging by your biased opinions you're a false-flagging Indian. It's pretty amusing that someone who can't understand a concept as simple as an apt analogy and who reads discredited news sources thinks they understand NATO's internal calculus about anything at all.

 

[CrimsonFury]

What "apologises to Russia over downing of their jet are you talking about? You either can't understand or read Turkish. Should Poroshenko tell you what Erdogan's, your president's letter consists?

Poroshenko said "as far as I read, it is about sympathy for the family of the killed [pilot], and I think that it is an absolutely understandable position of Turkey's president."

I haven't seen any apologize for downing a 6,7,8,9... times warned intruder.

No wonder.



Sanctions on Turkey to be lifted gradually, Russian PM says

It was an apology one way or another. Eger sonuclarina katlanamaycaksan, ucagi dusurmeyecektin, bu kadar basit.

 

[bsruzm]

It was an apology one way or another. Eger sonuclarina katlanamaycaksan, ucagi dusurmeyecektin, bu kadar basit.

It is not an apology. It is simple for you, I think

 

[CrimsonFury]

It is not an apology. It is simple for you, I think

What is it then?? Explain please