Turkey Apologises To Russia Over Downed Jet

[Max]

there is no firendship..

so what is when I say lets have better powerful friends like israel for pakistan.. would you think israel could be friend to you? but the truth is that this is more realistic (israel frind to pakistan) than being friend with russia specially for turkic ppl

ok, then pretend to be a friend and try to gain some concessions from Russia against assad and pkk in return of some economic deals coz ur ally US is openly supporting Pkk...

 

[cabatli_53]

...unless it is my nation, my country. Then it is completely acceptable.

Dude, "Having ball to do something" and calling a nation as "Bitch" as a response is two totally different thing to consider for punishment. If You really believe that You are right, I advice you to proceed such attitudes/insults as a response to other members, Then I will remind you where you are in this forum!

 

[Bismarck]

why now why not before ? losing billions and heat wave for what?

Billions? The economy relations are even strong. They never fall apart after Mavi Marmara issue.

Btw, honor and proud is never part of any state politics.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Billions? The economy relations are even strong. They never fall apart after Mavi Marmara issue.

Are you talking about Israel or Russia?

 

[Deliorman]

"Do you want some more water Esad, honey?"

Erdogan should resign if he really did that... that's what emotions say to me but using your emotions is the worst thing you can do in politics I guess. If He did that apology he chose the worst time possible to do it as most people in Russia are now celebrating the destruction of their biggest rival- the EU. He gives them wings like that with giving them a second victory in a few days. It was obvious that such steps will be taken as in last weeks there were more and more indications that BOTH countries are looking for warming of relations. It is always good to be at least in good economical relations with your neighbors but we should be suspicious and try to play our cards right this time- let's be ready about all scratches the bear will try to make on our back while hugging us for being friends again... if it's possible after all that.

 

[alwayspeace]

Let's look at the reasons of this apology?

The allies of Turkey in Syrian War has been USA and EU since the war started. If we look new situation the EU and the USA politic's is totally against Turkey and Erdogan. European parliament take decision against Turkey also They apply pressure to Turkey her own PKK terrorist operation. The USA has the same perspective to Turkey and Erdogan. This migt not easy for Erdogan but i think he has to repair relationship with Russia against EU and USA. This was a message to Germany, USA and EU and the message that '' You are not indispensable for Turkey. ''

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sorry for off topic post:

Although we had our reasons for opposing Russia, we might also have done that because of its support of India in our wars.
https://defence.pk/threads/1971-india-pakistan-war-role-of-russia-china-america-and-britain.189602/
The terrorism problem is of our own stupidity and wrong other decisions. Anyway, lets stick to the topic of discussion here.

that had one contributing reasons.. you are not off topic.
they were supporting subversion inside Pakistan before we engaged in AFGHAN JIHAD
Soviet Union was already aggressive towards us and was racing towards warm waters.. (as per our narrative agreed by USA)

 

[Gibbs]

So, I guess that proves my point; Turkey will no longer defend the national sovereignty of it's airspace.

Russia apparently violated Turkish airspace, Turkey almost daily violates Greek airspace, The US violates airspace of countries from Pakistan to China and Yemen.. So whats the big deal ? If every one of those countries goes on brain farts like Erdogan did and shoots down aircraft, I doubt there will be very few air forces in many places

Erdogan had to eat his words, Go on a bended knee to Putin.. He tried to push his way too far and got burned, That's the thing about megalomaniac's they tend to believe their own BS after some time, That is until it's a bit too late

Well the answer is basic.

This is the policy of akp. Whatever they have done wrong, they have waited until the dead end. They do it cause they have no capability to rule a country. They have no vision for close-far future.

Turkiye has been ruling by a clown for 14 years. His lunatic personality and policies result like this at the end just like Israe-Turkiye issue. So it's not surprising for us. His policies must harm us this is his behavior. And most of Turks like it. That's the why I say most of Turks are sado-masochist.

But pity that many here still consider him as the messiah.. Blind nationalism.. Erdogan in his 14 years have dragged back Turkey 20, Interms of it's standing in the world

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Erdogan in his 14 years have dragged back Turkey 20, Interms of it's standing in the world

I may not agree with everything Erdogan says. But this is completely utterly bullocks.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Russia apparently violated Turkish airspace, Turkey almost daily violates Greek airspace, The US violates airspace of countries from Pakistan to China and Yemen.. So whats the big deal ? If every one of those countries goes on brain farts like Erdogan did and shoots down aircraft, I doubt there will be very few air forces in many places

Erdogan had to eat his words, Go on a bended knee to Putin.. He tried to push his way too far and got burned, That's the thing about megalomaniac's they tend to believe their own BS after some time, That is until it's a bit too late



But pity that many here still consider him as the messiah.. Blind nationalism.. Erdogan in his 14 years have dragged back Turkey 20, Interms of it's standing in the world

He over estimated the amount of fucks that the US gives about Turkey. Both when it comes to taking down Assad and when confronting Russia.

 

[Gibbs]

I may not agree with everything Erdogan says. But this is completely utterly bullocks.

Pray do tell how ?

Turkey have made it self an enemy with all it's neighbors, Internal security in tatters, PKK darling of the west fighting the ISIS that Erdogan regime had a hand in creating to destabilize Syria, Now there are two fronts to contend with the ISIS bold enough to bite the hand that fed it and the PKK, Armed and supported to the teeth by Turkey's NATO allies.. Pissed off Russia shooting down aircraft on arguable grounds of airspace violations expecting the West to back him to no avail, Had to go back and apologize to Putin, With the economy hit hard with Russian embargoes, Economy which Ergodan fan boys were quick to point out as his major achievement

Turkey being a vitally important power and it's strategic importance has nothing to do with the current regime, It's standing in the world was due to pragmatic policies of pre Erdogan governments, Which he managed to drag back quite spectacularly

 

[CrimsonFury]

Pray do tell how ?

Turkey have made it self an enemy with all it's neighbors, Internal security in tatters, PKK darling of the west fighting the ISIS that Erdogan regime had a hand in creating to destabilize Syria, Now there are two fronts to contend with the ISIS bold enough to bite the hand that fed it and the PKK, Armed and supported to the teeth by Turkey's NATO allies.. Pissed off Russia shooting down aircraft on arguable grounds of airspace violations expecting the West to back him to no avail, Had to go back and apologize to Putin, With the economy hit hard with Russian embargoes, Economy which Ergodan fan boys were quick to point out as his major achievement

Turkey being a vitally important power and it's strategic importance has nothing to do with the current regime, It's standing in the world was due to pragmatic policies of pre Erdogan governments, Which he managed to drag back quite spectacularly

The double faced policies of the West are just as much to blame for the current situation Turkey faces. Argument by oversimplification isn't really arguing.

 

[Oldman1]

blablabla, Russia literally spat on your face in both the navy ship incident and in Syria when they bombed the groups the US actively supports. Some fancy words aren't enough to hide the fact you are a war weary nation with no stomach for a fight and an unreliable partner in the Middle East. It's good to see you try and take cheap shots at countries that are actually pursuing their own interests in the region independently of Washington. Welcome to the new world.

What exactly can the Russian aircraft do? They know they can't do anything which would lead to war. The U.S. ships can defend itself right there. And the fighter bomber were not armed. Thats how far the Russians are willing to go against us. Otherwise, they be armed. Our ships certainly were. In case you ask, these are fuel tanks. Not bombs. Unless the Russians resort to kamikaze.

 

[CrimsonFury]

What exactly can the Russian aircraft do? They know they can't do anything which would lead to war. The U.S. ships can defend itself right there. And the fighter bomber were not armed. Thats how far the Russians are willing to go against us. Otherwise, they be armed. Our ships certainly were. In case you ask, these are fuel tanks. Not bombs. Unless the Russians resort to kamikaze.

The fact they actually did this, unarmed or not, is pretty amazing. Or is it normal for jets to do mock attacks against other navies ships in such an unannounced and brazen manner?

 

[Oldman1]

The fact they actually did this, unarmed or not, is pretty amazing. Or is it normal for jets to do mock attacks against other navies ships in such an unannounced and brazen manner?

Been done for decades.

Sometimes it leads to death when they do that.