Turkey and Israel are Unfreezing Their Relationship

[Mucahit]

Some Turk members are too naive to believe zionsts would help and cooperate with Islamic countries equally. At best you become their paws to destroy other Islamic countries if they don't destroy turkey first.

zionsts right now

How Iran betrayed u ??

There is no such thing as "equally". No one does that to anyone. Every country acts according to its own interests. That's what Turkey is doing. Just because you as Iran are enemies with them doesn't mean we have to do the same. Neither every "Muslim" country is a friend nor every non-Muslim country is an enemy. I know it's hard for you Mullah brain to comprehend that.

"At best you become their paws to destroy other Islamic countries." Iran is already taking care of that. Busy sending sectarian militants all across the region against other countries including Turkey to destabilize them.

There is another occurrence happening now with PKK presence as well. Nearly %80 of all attacks PKK launched since 2020 are coming from Iran. So, let's not argue about who's gonna destroy Turkey.

Israel and Turkey had great relations before and it benefited Turkey in many different ways both militarily and politically.

Don't think we have forgotten that Palestinian brigade fighting for Iran in Syria, showing pictures where they step on a Turkish flag and quite possibly also fought against Turkish troops in Syria.

I don't even know why the current Turkish government is shielding Iran or taking their side when it comes to American sanctions or other things when they clearly have ill intentions towards Turkey all the time regardless of how positive we are towards them.

 

[925boy]

You shouldn't make promises you can't keep, buddy.

He only needs time.

I am glad Turkey and Israel is in normalization phase after Palestine and Mullahs stabbed Turkey from behind. Next step is to form some kind of military cooperation to let Israel Air Forces kick the heads of sectarian terrorists collected all around other regions and injected into conflict zones. No need to mention supporting the fight of Israel against Hizbullah terrorists. In following phase, I think Turkey will open the doors of Konya EHTES training center for Israeli AF. Let them burn now.

I respect this post because at least you came out and straight up told us the truth behind Turkey's moves with Israel.

Only thing is, US would have already supported this plan and mobilized it for TUrkey an ISrael if it was just this easy. To be 100% frank with you, i dunno how Iran is able to keep and hold influence via the militias in so many places, facing so many different adversaries with different contexts. seriously!! but Iran has volume of troops and equipment and good geography, and good resources, so to be frank with you, you guys wont achieve crap. if u want to bet money let me know. Iran will activate troops that are close to important ME areas, but far from TUrkey, and Turkey doesnt have the logistics to counter Iran via ground troops in Persian GUlf and other areas. Also, Turkey cant entrench itself in Middle East Sunni countries better than Iran can. Maybe thats why Turkey had to use aggressive military invasion forcec to enter Syria.
Turkey is the last of the SUnni Countries to completely fold to the US and NATO,.... a super traitor to the Palestinian cause. Karma always keeps it real.

 

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Some Turk members are too naive to believe zionsts would help and cooperate with Islamic countries equally. At best you become their paws to destroy other Islamic countries if they don't destroy turkey first.

zionsts right now

How Iran betrayed u ??

I won't forget how Israel delayed the delivery of the HERON drone during Turkey's fight against PKK.

Maybe other Turks will..

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Mmm nice to see you have graduated to colloquial English ...

I have a very short fuse lately. Everything triggers me.

 

[500]

I won't forget how Israel delayed the delivery of the HERON drone during Turkey's fight against PKK.

Maybe other Turks will..

According to contract signed in 2007 Herons supposed to be delivered in the end of 2009, but they were delivered in 2010 instead. Its quite a small delay and main reason was Israel's 2009 operation in Gaza which caused Erdogan to ran amok freeze ties with Israel etc.

 

[Nein]

One muslim country was the birth place of Turkeys arch enemy and other muslim countries were helping them, while a Christian and a Jewish country helped us to get their leader.

So yeah as you can see religion is an abstract construct and Turkey has gained very little with the recent religious rethoric, i guess its time to act progressive on this matter again.


While Palestinian support wont continue in every area.

Jews actually sent soldiers to fight the Turks also look up the Nili spy ring and various others in ww1.

If we love to talk about arabs doing shifty shit the jews do it too. If you are a pan Turkist by all means the Jews are not our friends and never will be.

He only needs time.


I respect this post because at least you came out and straight up told us the truth behind Turkey's moves with Israel.

Only thing is, US would have already supported this plan and mobilized it for TUrkey an ISrael if it was just this easy. To be 100% frank with you, i dunno how Iran is able to keep and hold influence via the militias in so many places, facing so many different adversaries with different contexts. seriously!! but Iran has volume of troops and equipment and good geography, and good resources, so to be frank with you, you guys wont achieve crap. if u want to bet money let me know. Iran will activate troops that are close to important ME areas, but far from TUrkey, and Turkey doesnt have the logistics to counter Iran via ground troops in Persian GUlf and other areas. Also, Turkey cant entrench itself in Middle East Sunni countries better than Iran can. Maybe thats why Turkey had to use aggressive military invasion forcec to enter Syria.
Turkey is the last of the SUnni Countries to completely fold to the US and NATO,.... a super traitor to the Palestinian cause. Karma always keeps it real.

Only thing Iranians and their shia proxies do is bark against israelis and then butcher sunnis.

I would actually take Israel over Iran any day of the week.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are two sides of the same coin.

There is no such thing as "equally". No one does that to anyone. Every country acts according to its own interests. That's what Turkey is doing. Just because you as Iran are enemies with them doesn't mean we have to do the same. Neither every "Muslim" country is a friend nor every non-Muslim country is an enemy. I know it's hard for you Mullah brain to comprehend that.

"At best you become their paws to destroy other Islamic countries." Iran is already taking care of that. Busy sending sectarian militants all across the region against other countries including Turkey to destabilize them.

There is another occurrence happening now with PKK presence as well. Nearly %80 of all attacks PKK launched since 2020 are coming from Iran. So, let's not argue about who's gonna destroy Turkey.

Israel and Turkey had great relations before and it benefited Turkey in many different ways both militarily and politically.

Don't think we have forgotten that Palestinian brigade fighting for Iran in Syria, showing pictures where they step on a Turkish flag and quite possibly also fought against Turkish troops in Syria.

I don't even know why the current Turkish government is shielding Iran or taking their side when it comes to American sanctions or other things when they clearly have ill intentions towards Turkey all the time regardless of how positive we are towards them.

When it comes to religious issues the Iranians should be the last ones to talk.

If Turkey and Israel repair their relations I more than happy that it happens.

 

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According to contract signed in 2007 Herons supposed to be delivered in the end of 2009, but they were delivered in 2010 instead. Its quite a small delay and main reason was Israel's 2009 operation in Gaza which caused Erdogan to ran amok freeze ties with Israel etc.

The contract was signed in 2005. The Herons IAI delivered did not pass Acceptance Tests. Turkey finally accepted only because of dire need the drones during that time.

Now Turkey is producing on a weekly basis a tactical drone that far exceeds Herons specs.

Turkey can continue it's civilian trade with Israel, as for defence, they can Phuck right off.

 

[500]

The contract was signed in 2005. The Herons IAI delivered did not pass Acceptance Tests. Turkey finally accepted only because of dire need the drones during that time.

The Turkish ministry of defence signed a $190 million deal in May 2007 with the Israeli UAV Partnership (IUP), formed between IAI and Elbit Systems, to deliver 10 Heron systems by October 2009.

https://www.flightglobal.com/heron-...g-dispute-between-turkey-israel/89565.article

Now Turkey is producing on a weekly basis a tactical drone that far exceeds Herons specs.

Really, which tactical drone has 45 hours endurance, 470 kg payload and 10.5 km ceiling? Maybe u discovered some alien technology.

 

[xenon54 out]

Jews actually sent soldiers to fight the Turks also look up the Nili spy ring and various others in ww1.

If we love to talk about arabs doing shifty shit the jews do it too. If you are a pan Turkist by all means the Jews are not our friends and never will be.

Read my post again before making conclusions, its not about friendship, just that religion is no argument.

 

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The Turkish ministry of defence signed a $190 million deal in May 2007 with the Israeli UAV Partnership (IUP), formed between IAI and Elbit Systems, to deliver 10 Heron systems by October 2009.

https://www.flightglobal.com/heron-...g-dispute-between-turkey-israel/89565.article

In April 2005 Turkey signed a contract awarding Israel’s IUP partnership of IAI and Elbit for an off the shelf purchase of 10 medium-altitude, long-endurance UAV’s as well as surveillance and command and control equipment, eliminating the U.S. General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc. from the contest. The project was valued at $183 million. Under the contract, Israel accepted the responsibility of integrating Aselsan payloads on the Heron UAV’s in order to enable it to reach an altitude of 30,000 feet and sustain flight for upwards of 40 hours.

https://jamestown.org/program/turkeys-military-procurement-dilemma-with-israel/


Canikli was referring to 10 Heron-model UAVs sold by Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) to Turkey as part of a $190 million deal signed in 2005. The deal was plagued with a series of disagreements between the two sides as Turkey claimed that Israel refused to provide it with spare parts.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5295266,00.html

Get your facts straight, don't feel the sting.

Really, which tactical drone has 45 hours endurance, 470 kg payload and 10.5 km ceiling? Maybe u discovered some alien technology.

The spec sheet given to the public by IAI is an absolute lie, this lie was exposed by Turkish operators of the Heron when it didn't pass acceptance tests.
It did not pass in endurance, communication link range nor flight altitudes.

Oh, I thought you would of known of this UCAV by now, it's encroaching on Israeli UAV sales. Meets and exceeds it's specs, unlike Israeli trash.

 

[Nein]

Read my post again before making conclusions, its not about friendship, just that religion is no argument.

I agree to be honest religion has nothing to do with relations. People who are of tje same religion will either ally with each other or be enemies when political interests align or clash.

 

[500]

In April 2005 Turkey signed a contract awarding Israel’s IUP partnership of IAI and Elbit for an off the shelf purchase of 10 medium-altitude, long-endurance UAV’s as well as surveillance and command and control equipment, eliminating the U.S. General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc. from the contest. The project was valued at $183 million. Under the contract, Israel accepted the responsibility of integrating Aselsan payloads on the Heron UAV’s in order to enable it to reach an altitude of 30,000 feet and sustain flight for upwards of 40 hours.

https://jamestown.org/program/turkeys-military-procurement-dilemma-with-israel/


Canikli was referring to 10 Heron-model UAVs sold by Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) to Turkey as part of a $190 million deal signed in 2005. The deal was plagued with a series of disagreements between the two sides as Turkey claimed that Israel refused to provide it with spare parts.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5295266,00.html

Get your facts straight, don't feel the sting.

Deals come in several stages, final deal with delivery date was signed in 2007. If u have a link of the deal with delivery date u are welcome to post.

The spec sheet given to the public by IAI is an absolute lie, this lie was exposed by Turkish operators of the Heron when it didn't pass acceptance tests.
It did not pass in endurance, communication link range nor flight altitudes.

Out of dozen Heron costumers Erdogan was the only one who made such complains. So obviously problem is not in Heron, but Erdogan.

Even Anka, which came much later than Heron has lower specs. Tactical UAVs dont come even close.

Oh, I thought you would of known of this UCAV by now, it's encroaching on Israeli UAV sales.

So far only Quatar and Ukraine bought them. Both are isolated 3rd world countries with no other option.

 

[MMM-E]

Deals come in several stages, final deal with delivery date was signed in 2007. If u have a link of the deal with delivery date u are welcome to post.


Out of dozen Heron costumers Erdogan was the only one who made such complains. So obviously problem is not in Heron, but Erdogan.

Even Anka, which came much later than Heron has lower specs. Tactical UAVs dont come even close.


So far only Quatar and Ukraine bought them. Both are isolated 3rd world countries with no other option.

ANKA-S is far superior to Israeli junk HERON , HERON had some electro-optic problems and HERON could not operate in bad weather

We dont need Israeli junk .... thanks to Erdogan who decided to develop indigenous UAV-UCAVs as like other hundreds of Turkish military projects after 2004

and AKINCI will be superior to all Israeli UAV-UCAVs which dont come even close


btw Qatar is richer and more beautiful country than Israel and Ukraine has better aviation industry than Israel
and Qatar buys modern Fighter Jets , Air Defense Systems , Helicopters , etc from the US , France and the UK

 

[925boy]

I agree to be honest religion has nothing to do with relations.

But you just responded to me in this thread saying this:

Only thing Iranians and their shia proxies do is bark against israelis and then butcher sunnis.

I would actually take Israel over Iran any day of the week.

Iran and Saudi Arabia are two sides of the same coin.

If relations has nothing to do with religion then that means Iran isnt killing Sunnis, or has no intent to, because it has nothing to do with religion (USING YOUR LOGIC). i believe you are just one of those MAJORITY Sunnis who like to play victim to minority Shia.Just like when white person in US says they are getting racism from black people- its not a real, societal phenomenon, its just a victim mindset.
People who are of tje same religion will either ally with each other or be enemies when political interests align or clash.

 

[Aramagedon]

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH):

"A Nation will come from the east with black flags and they will ask for some goodness (authority) but the people will not give them, then, they will fight and win over those people. Now the people will give them what they asked for but they will not accept it until they will hand it over to a person from my progeny who will fill this earth with justice just as it was previously filled with oppression and tyranny. So if anyone of you finds this nation (i.e. from the east with black flags) then you must join them even if you have to crawl over ice"

"When the black flags come from Khorasan go to them,even if you have to crawl on snow, for among them is the Khalifa of Allah, the Mahdi"

"Three will fight one another for your treasure, each one of them the son of a caliph, but none of them will gain it. Then the black banners will come from the east, and they will kill you in an unprecedented manner. When you see them, then pledge your allegiance to them even if you have to crawl over the snow, for that is the caliph of Allah, Mahdi"

"There will emerge from Khorasan black banners which nothing will repel until they are set up in Quds"

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

The Last Hour would not come until the Muslims fight with the Turks-a people whose faces would be like hammered shields wearing clothes of hair and walking (with shoes) of hair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_black_flags

https://sunnah.com/search/?q=Turk

https://www.al-islam.org/an-overview-of-mahdi-s-government-najimuddin-tabasi/soldiers-imam-al-mahdi