TTP finalises 15 point draft for talks

[Cherokee]

they need more gurkhas . Nothing else .

Ref: Gurkha fought off Afghan insurgent in hand-to-hand combat - Telegraph

Gurkha who beheaded Taliban soldier in Afghanistan battle cleared to return to duty | Mail Online

maybe Pak special forces can do that job .

 

[W.11]

The list shows that TTP are very immature - very childish demands (equal rights for rich and poor?).

'Stop all relations with the US'? Does that mean no more business / no more diplomacy?

they may not be immature, it shows their real intention is not peace dialogues, their priorities are to stack up as much weapons and ammunition as possible in between the cease fire period and they gain a better advantage for the offensive

 

[Alpha1]

1) Stop drone attacks.

I agree with Azlan, GoP can't guarrantee that

2) Introduce Sharia law in courts

Depends what they mean by sharia, if it's their mutilated version of Islam , NO

3) Introduce Islamic system of education in both public and private educational institutions.

Do they mean no girls? or no modern books?

4) Free Pakistani and foreign Taliban captured in jails.

NEVER

5) Restoration and remuneration for damage to property during drone attacks.

acceptable

6) Hand over control of tribal areas to local forces.

No way...

7) Withdrawal of army from tribal areas and close down check posts.

Not acceptable

8) All criminal allegations held against the Taliban to be dropped.

15) Stop all relations with the US.

Not possible

 

[Leader]

OK here is my pov on these demands.



Acceptable



Nothing wrong with that either



Negotiable



A big no. Not negotiable.



Nothing wrong with that either.



Not possible at this time.



Again not possible at this time.



Such serious offenses can't be dropped that easily. Not possible again at this time.



Nope...



Might be the best demand in the list. Acceptable.



Acceptable



There is Islamic banking already in practice. More can be done to make it more close to Islamic teachings.



OK. But no foreign fighter would be allowed to use Pakistani territory to wage wars on others. WOT or not.



Nope.... Some changes can be made. But democracy would stay in Pakistan.



Not possible.

ditto, same view here !

 

[EasyNow]

they may not be immature, it shows their real intention is not peace dialogues, their priorities are to stack up as much weapons and ammunition as possible in between the cease fire period and they gain a better advantage for the offensive

I feel like even they didn't think they'd be given so much respect, so they had to make this list in the last minute!

Maybe they have realised that the game is over and are now trying to find any kind of face-saving deal - which is why the demands are so wishy-washy. I note that they have not demanded anything ridiculous like full imposition of their sharia?

 

[rockstar08]

we should also have our 15 points ...could be like this ...
1. Fcuk you .
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Fcuk you all

 

[F.O.X]

The points are as follows:

1) Stop drone attacks.

I am Fine with that , reasonable demand .

2) Introduce Sharia law in courts.

it is already there ,.

3) Introduce Islamic system of education in both public and private educational institutions.

Already exists

4) Free Pakistani and foreign Taliban captured in jails.

Not Happening except maybe for few prisioners

5) Restoration and remuneration for damage to property during drone attacks.

Fair Enough , and acceptable , Army already working on that .

6) Hand over control of tribal areas to local forces.

It can be done with some modifications

7) Withdrawal of army from tribal areas and close down check posts.

Not Happening , as of now ,

8) All criminal allegations held against the Taliban to be dropped.

It can be arranged

9) Prisoners from both sides to be released.

again not Happening ( they seem to have repeated a demand )

10) Equal rights for all, poor and rich.

Agreed

11) Families of drone attack victims to be offered jobs.

Agreed

12) End interest based system.

Agreed

13) Stop supporting the US on the war on terror.

Agreed

14) Replace the democratic system of governance with the Islamic system.

Never Happening

15) Stop all relations with the US.

Not Happening


So with all those demands only few are acceptable others are not , even if NS wants he cannot accept those demands . at the end either TTP will agree on our demands , or an operation will occur

 

[Panther 57]

except for few points most of the demands can be met if govt intends!

some demands are reasonable, while others are negotiable.

I am surprised that we are talking about meeting their demands. First and foremost thing is that they should stop terrorist activities. Second they should agree to lay down the arms. Both this is not happening.

As regard the wish list is concerned, certain points mentioned in this list should otherwise be implemented in Pakistan, which will be according to constitution and not their wish. However, this list does indicate one thing and that is the hidden dream of MNS to become Amir ul Momneen.

 

[acid rain]

What is Pakistan's official wishlist or agenda of the talks with the TTP?

 

[syedali73]

What is Pakistan's official wishlist or agenda of the talks with the TTP?

 

[Leader]

I am surprised that we are talking about meeting their demands. First and foremost thing is that they should stop terrorist activities. Second they should agree to lay down the arms. Both this is not happening.

As regard the wish list is concerned, certain points mentioned in this list should otherwise be implemented in Pakistan, which will be according to constitution and not their wish. However, this list does indicate one thing and that is the hidden dream of MNS to become Amir ul Momneen.

This is how negotiations go forward. we discuss and workout. you have said very rightly, we should in return put our demands and work out on time frame.

 

[monitor]

PESHAWAR: The Taliban Shura has finalised a fifteen point draft for negotiations with the Pakistan government and the draft proposal is likely to be handed over to the peace facilitators and their representatives who are in Waziristan, DawnNews reported.

The Taliban Shura had been meeting since Saturday under its deputy Ameer Sheikh Khalid Haqqani.

Professor Ibrahim Khan and Maulana Yousuf Shah who are in Waziristan for a meeting with the Taliban Shura are likely to convey these points to the committee formed by the government for mediation.

The points are as follows:

1) Stop drone attacks.

2) Introduce Sharia law in courts.

3) Introduce Islamic system of education in both public and private educational institutions.

4) Free Pakistani and foreign Taliban captured in jails.

5) Restoration and remuneration for damage to property during drone attacks.

6) Hand over control of tribal areas to local forces.

7) Withdrawal of army from tribal areas and close down check posts.

8) All criminal allegations held against the Taliban to be dropped.

9) Prisoners from both sides to be released.

10) Equal rights for all, poor and rich.

11) Families of drone attack victims to be offered jobs.

12) End interest based system.

13) Stop supporting the US on the war on terror.

14) Replace the democratic system of governance with the Islamic system.

15) Stop all relations with the US.

dawn.com

Well........So, the next caliph will be Nawaz Shareef.

1) Stop drone attacks.
Should be
2) Introduce Sharia law in courts.
Possible along with conventional law so
3) Introduce Islamic system of education in both public and private educational institutions.
what they mean by Islamic system ? if that mean boys and girls should be sitted sperate it si possible but need times
4) Free Pakistani and foreign Taliban captured in jails.
No if they are accused of major crime
5) Restoration and remuneration for damage to property during drone attacks.
of course but who will pay the cost ?
6) Hand over control of tribal areas to local forces.
not sure
7) Withdrawal of army from tribal areas and close down check posts.
Not possible
8) All criminal allegations held against the Taliban to be dropped.
minor charge can drop
9) Prisoners from both sides to be released.
can be consider
10) Equal rights for all, poor and rich.
what they mean by equal right
11) Families of drone attack victims to be offered jobs.
of course
12) End interest based system.
Gradually
13) Stop supporting the US on the war on terror.
Not possible
14) Replace the democratic system of governance with the Islamic system.
Democracy does not have any major problem with Islamic system unlike some rights i think
15) Stop all relations with the US.
Impossible

 

[Jazzbot]

A big NO for 4, 6, 7 and 15..

 

[Mercenary]

Where is Government of Pakistan list of demands?

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

they need more gurkhas . Nothing else .

Ref: Gurkha fought off Afghan insurgent in hand-to-hand combat - Telegraph

Gurkha who beheaded Taliban soldier in Afghanistan battle cleared to return to duty | Mail Online

maybe Pak special forces can do that job .

May be gurkhas are fearless enough to engage taliban like this but as for as i know pakistani faujis try to avoid engaging taliban in direct combat, as there are always heavy casaulties in direct gun to gun battle, terrain is always helpful to taliban...the focus is on artillary shelling and tanks, gunship helicopters and back up of air force when taliban are offering very tough resistance....due to this fear of death in faujis, TTP darely attacks posts of army on mountains, ambushes caravans on road....As for as SSG commandos are concerned, they were used against taliban but ended up killed in surprisingly large numbers, now they are not used that much. Taliban themeselves are like commandos, infact more tough and sharp due to mountains being their home turf.
Aim of a fauji is to not get killed while aim of a taliban is to kill....army has not been able to defeat taliban because they are not natural predators like taliban, they are pre-occupied about returning safely to their families.