Trump's USA to Initiate Nixon-Kissinger-type Strategy with Russia against China

[Huan]

If true, that would be uncharacteristically smart of them.

That said, China's oil and gas purchases from Russia will run into the trillions (the pipeline deal alone was worth $1 trillion) over time, and the USA is a rival oil producer to Russia. So the interests don't work out.

Nevertheless, I think Beijing's leadership should remove themselves from any sense of complacency to bet that Russia will always be there to catch China's back. China should operate with urgency that she is really a stand-alone power while the big wolves are surrounding her backyard. Ultimately, you Chinese in the mainland and your leaders will have to strive to become a more powerful entity than USA and Russia combined. Right now to this day, the current size of your nuclear weapons arsenal is waaaaaaaaayyyyy too small as compared to USA's and Russia's. Your defense budget is also waaaaaayyy too small in proportion to your manufacturing capacity, population, and the amount of trade routes and Chinese territories that you have to defend. In my opinion, your President Xi Jinping should have increase his PLA standing army up to 5,000,000 troops, not cut it down further to 2,000,000. If god forbid for your sake, that USA and Russia teams up during a Trump presidency, their combined forces can run all over China or hurt her tremendously. So please have your country (China) take it very very seriously. (end of alarmist rant)

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

you are contradicting yourself...if there is hardly a trade then why are Russians angry to begin with??

Are you saying the Russians were wrong to be angry with America after they sanctioned them?

Just think about it from their perspective. It's not just the economic loss, since they did not trade much to begin with. It's a matter of pride.

Why don't you ask a Russian member here, like our Think Tank @vostok.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Nevertheless, I think Beijing's leadership should remove themselves from any sense of complacency to bet that Russia will always be there to catch China's back. China should operate with urgency that she is really a stand-alone power while the big wolves are surrounding her backyard. Ultimately, you Chinese in the mainland and your leaders will have to strive to become a more powerful entity than USA and Russia combined. Right now to this day, the current size of your nuclear weapons arsenal is waaaaaaaaayyyyy too small as compared to USA's and Russia's. Your defense budget is also waaaaaayyy too small in proportion to your manufacturing capacity, population, and the amount of trade routes and Chinese territories that you have to defend. In my opinion, your President Xi Jinping should have increase his PLA standing army up to 5,000,000 troops, not cut it down further to 2,000,000. If god forbid for your sake, that USA and Russia teams up during a Trump presidency, their combined forces can run all over China or hurt her tremendously. So please have your country (China) take it very very seriously. <---end of alarmist rant/

- Are you really sure that China's nuclear arsenal is too small?

China has already hinted to build a nuclear arsenal to surpass that of the USA in the next few years.

- As for the military budget, China is building the Aegis destroyers and nuclear subs like the sausages. Our labor is cheap, but it doesn't mean that our actual output is smaller than the US.

 

[Huan]

- Are you really sure that China's nuclear arsenal is too small?

China has already hinted to build a nuclear arsenal to surpass that of the USA in the next few years.

- As for the military budget, China is building the Aegis destroyers and nuclear subs like the sausages. Our labor is cheap, but it doesn't mean that our actual output is smaller than the US.

Well below 500 existing Chinese nuclear warheads, not even at 6,000+.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well below 500 existing Chinese nuclear warheads, not even at 6,000+.

China's current stockpile is unknown, considering that China has so many variants of ICBMs compared to the UK and France, it is unlikely that China has their size of their nuclear stockpile.

Also, yesterday that Global Times has just mentioned how China should build an unprecedented large powerful nuclear arsenal amid to the anti-China warmonger like Trump.

China will very likely build up a larger nuclear arsenal than the US in the next few years. Building more nukes is by far easier than building the J-20 for China.

 

[Finer]

You cannot go against China. Russia-China is the package deal. Either you are with them or you are against them. That reminds me of the classic US slogan for foreign policy.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You cannot go against China. Russia-China is the package deal. Either you are with them or you are against them. That reminds me of the classic US slogan for foreign policy.

Putin has just built up all those economic ties with China.

I don't think one lip service word from Trump is worth more than multi-billions trade between Russia and China.

As for US-China conflict, Putin will remain neutral at best for Trump, that's all.

 

[Finer]

Putin has just built up all those economic ties with China.

I don't think one lip service word from Trump is worth more than multi-billions trade between Russia and China.

As for US-China conflict, Putin will remain neutral at best for Trump, that's all.

True. Plus, USA is a sinking ship. Putin is smart enough not to put the whole basket in the sinking ship over the rising star. Apparently, the same cannot be said about India given its foreign policy leaning towards the sinking ship.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

True. Plus, USA is a sinking ship. Putin is smart enough not to put the whole basket in the sinking ship over the rising star. Apparently, the same cannot be said about India given its foreign policy leaning towards the sinking ship.

Yep, Putin is looking after Russia's best interest as the first priority, he will only align with the one that could provide Russia the best benefit.

Just look how Russia is following closely to China's RCEP, new silkroad, AIIB, BRICS Bank.

Trump and Kissinger are just full of delusion to think that they can make Putin as their errand boy with just few lip services.

China can offer Russia bag of cash, yet the stingy Trump's America is still trying to exploit their own allies.

 

[shadows888]

This is just a fantasy of the alt-right (i.e. white countries unite) than anything of substance. Russian geopolitics remains the same, which is their main base of power is in Europe. you will have to give eastern Europe to Russia and sack NATO to turn the tables.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This is just a fantasy of the alt-right (i.e. white countries unite) than anything of substance. Russian geopolitics remains the same, which is their main base of power is in Europe. you will have to give eastern Europe to Russia and sack NATO to turn the tables.

The money is worth much more than the senseless solidarity collectivism between the color of the skin.

Even Australia as a typical WASP country, yet they want to abandon that sinking ship known as the TPP and to jump aboard on the RCEP.

The Alt-Right is full of delusional sh1t, they can't even compromise with the angry white liberals.

 

[Zsari]

Nixon's move is only possible due to the deterioration of relationship between China and USSR.

 

[terranMarine]

Quite hilarious to think that they are convinced Putin will be siding with US, the biggest debtor with unprecedented debt in history. US is basically bankrupt with no ability to pay debt back, what can Trump offer Putin anyway? US made sure the USSR collapsed by playing the arms race game then they fooled Yeltsin as well. He wasn't happy about the situation in Yugoslavia at that time but Russia couldn't do anything about it. US and NATO are crawling closer and closer at Russia's doorsteps especially with that missile shield. Praising words in regards to Putin (who is KGB trained) by the inexperienced Trump dealing with world leaders ain't gonna fool Putin. The big man said it himself, Russia and China share many views in regards to major geopolitical issues.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – China is the main Russian partner with the level of political trust between Russia and China being high, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

"Absolutely," Putin told the Nippon TV channel and the Yomiuri newspaper, answering the question whether China is Russia’s most important partner.

The president characterized Russian-Chinese relations as a special strategic partnership.

"We have never had such a level of trust with China before. China is our major trade and economic partner among foreign states. We implement joint multi-billion projects," the Russian leader said.

He praised Russian-Chinese cooperation in such spheres as nuclear energy and space.

"We have wide-ranging joint projects in the nuclear energy sphere, logistics, machine building and trade as a whole. We have good joint projects in the helicopter and aircraft manufacturing industry. We are considering cooperation and are actively cooperating in space. There are good prospects there," Putin said.

He noted that the countries were engaged in political cooperation not only within the UN Security Council but also within such regional organizations as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and BRICS.

"We have similar positions on major international issues or even, as diplomats say, our views are identical. We often have shared positions on key issues of the modern international agenda. We have very close humanitarian contacts, wide-ranging youth exchanges, educational and regional contacts, and all of them continue to develop. We are expanding and improving the infrastructure of our relations," Putin added.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201612131048487583-china-russia-partnership-putin/

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am pretty sure if the war break out between the US and China, Russia will see this as an excellent opportunity to take back Ukraine and revive the USSR by annexing those East European countries.

While China will not only have a much larger nuclear arsenal, but also being armed to the teeth with the HGV and anti-missile/satellite defense when single handedly dealing with the USA.

 

[Huan]

I am pretty sure if the war break out between the US and China, Russia will see this as an excellent opportunity to take back Ukraine and revive the USSR by annexing those East European countries.

While China will not only have a much larger nuclear arsenal, but also being armed to the teeth with the HGV and anti-missile/satellite defense when single handedly dealing with the USA.

Nuclear-powered aircraft carriers will have to be part of China's basic first step to change the game in a big way. Not only a larger nuclear arsenal, but a capable long-range projection of military power across all major seas.