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Trump said the US 'could cut off the whole relationship' with China as tensions escalate during the

trump is an idot. real power is with men of business and China simply cannot be ignored
 
tower9 said:
Taiwan has one of the world's best militaries and they have the advantage of defending their home turf.
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I'm sorry, I didn't even make it past this sentence. Some antics from "one of the world's best militaries"
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2019/06/10/2003716650
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/world/asia/taiwan-china-missile.html
That's not to even mention the astronomical numbers of spies and saboteurs the PRC has in Taiwan. Like I said: Six. Hour. War.
 
KaiserX said:
Hey i have nothing against China...other than the fact that they covered up a lot of the info and allowed the virus to spread. Even until now China has refused to share crucial biological info on the virus. For scientist the most useful info is the biological makeup of covid-19 from patient 0 (the first person infected before mutations occur). Why is china continuing to lie to the world?

Even the most pro chinese people are becoming skeptical of China..

At the end of the day the world saw last december how quickly and with force China shut down Wuhan..but they still allowed people to travel overseas...why?
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Who were the people allowed to travel overseas from Wuhan? Were they Chinese citizens? I don't think they were. Wuhan airport was closed to commercial flights on 1/23.

Proof: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area...rancisco-cancelled-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

https://www.airport-technology.com/news/coronavirus-wuhan-suspends-transport/
 
tower9 said:
That's propaganda. Taiwan has one of the world's best armed militaries, especially for its size. Plus China would not be able to govern Taiwan even if it conquered it.
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Look how desperate u sounds... Your sentence just short of claiming the globe is cube just to complete your lies. :rofl:

You think those pro independent Taiwanese are real brave? When comes to real war, they will ran for covers like rats.

CPC will enforce a media shutdown after conquer it. All anti-China cell will be rooted out.
 
QWECXZ said:
As an Iranian, with due respect to you, I can't emphasize enough how I want the US to do that to see the end of its empire in less than 10 years. Not to mention that the Wuhan lab you are referring to was working on corona viruses using a US grant of 3.7 million dollars.
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Somebody compiled the information on the Wuhan Lab:

' ... here’s my simple research about how the covfefe plandemic started ... you can ignore it, but reading it might bump up your IQ level to double digits, that is, if you try to connect the dots with the logical events ... yes, it’s quite lengthy ... but it’s guaranteed to piss off the Chinese-haters and ((( others ))) on this China-bashing site (zerohedge) ...
... let’s follow the logical timeline ...... and let’s connect the dots ...
... “In 2013 Charles Lieber, a pioneer of nanoscience who is now the chairman of Harvard University’s chemistry department, visited the Wuhan University of Technology (wut), in China, to celebrate the founding of a lab he was credited by that university with helping to establish and oversee: the wut-Harvard Joint Nano Key Laboratory. It was a remarkable coup. wut is an institution of little renown. Harvard is generally regarded as the top of the academic tree. And Dr Lieber, whose research has been seen by some as a forerunner of Elon Musk’s ambitious scheme to supercharge the human brain with nanotechnology, has been seen as a potential Nobel laureate. Harvard’s officials had not, however, approved the laboratory and did not know about it until early 2015, according to the us Department of Justice. Nor did they know that while conducting his research with grants from the Department of Defence and the National Institutes of Health (nih), Dr Lieber was, according to federal authorities, also being paid up to $50,000 a month by wut, plus at least $150,000 in “living expenses”, as a prized recruit in China’s Thousand Talents programme to bring foreign scientists, and return Chinese expatriates, to that country’s research laboratories” >>> https://www.economist.com/s...
.... and according to this ... https://medicalveritas.org/..., ((( Dr. Charles M. Lieber ))) also received $1.5M to setup the secret lab in Wuhan ... Dr. Lieber is a member of Pilgrims Society ... see below ...
... one of Pilgrims Society founders, Pirbright Institute ,... owned by a Rothschild (de Worms and run by Wellcome Trust) ... of UK owns the patent for Coronavirus for both UK and US ... https://patents.justia.com/... #10130701 filed July 23, 2015, patent granted Nov 20, 2018 for coronavirus [and now conveniently disclaiming ownership for “novel” coronavirus] ) ... however, “Pirbright begins testing new coronavirus vaccines on animals to help combat COVID-19” https://www.pirbright.ac.uk... ... hmmm ...
... according to wiki ... sorry, I tried to find other more credible sources for the Wuhan establishment... In 2015, the WIV's National Bio-safety Laboratory was completed at a cost of 300 million yuan ($44 million) in collaboration with the French government's CIRI lab, and was the first biosafety level 4 (BSL–4) laboratory to be built in mainland China. The establishment of the laboratory was partially funded by the U.S. government and took over a decade to complete from its conception in 2003. ... “REVEALED: U.S. government gave $3.7million grant to Wuhan lab “>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk... ... note: Lieber setup the “secret lab” ... ( he must be singing, “once, I had a secret lab” ... sorry, couldn’t resist ) ...
... Oct 15, 2019 ... shortly before the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, that city had hosted 300 visiting American military officers, who came to participate in the 2019 Military World Games, an absolutely remarkable coincidence of timing ...
... mid-November, 2019 ... “US notified Israel about coronavirus in mid-November: Israeli TV”
>>> https://www.presstv.com/Det...
... now, that Israel blew the whistle that US “intelligence”warned them in mid-November about a potentially catastrophic plandemic in Wuhan, China, and apparently other US allies were also warned, in mid-November, which confirmed what other news outlets had reported earlier and, which, of course, understandably, the Trump oddministration, following the ((( ordered ))) protocol, had denied it ...
.... obviously, because multiple news outlets had reported, China did not become aware of this plandemic problem until December 31st, ... here’s one ... >>> https://www.unz.com/runz/am... ...
... so, if US “intelligence” knew that there was a potentially and economically catastrophic plandemic developing in Wuhan in mid-November, it would mean that US “intelligence” already knew what was happening in Lieber’s secret Wuhan Lab better than Xi’s Chinese government ... and, perhaps, the only logical conclusion was, if Trump’s US “Intelligence” had known about a potential plandemic brewing way back in mid-November (and perhaps way before that ... Lieber would know) and China’s or Xi’s Government was not aware of a plandemic attack until December 31st, then, Trump’s or Pompous Pompeo’s US “Intelligence” would’ve had planted the virus there ... perhaps via NATO’s Benassi couple ? ...
... (btw, I enclose “Intelligence” in quotes because they are, indeed, <nudge, wink="">, very smart ... ... (sarcasm)
... as well, the record showed ... “On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. As of 3 January 2020, a total of 44 patients with pneumonia of unknown etiology have been reported to WHO by the national authorities in China. Of the 44 cases reported, 11 are severely ill, while the remaining 33 patients are in stable condition” >>> https://www.who.int/csr/don... ... so, on December 31st, the Chinese had already alerted the Ethiopian guy, Bill & Melinda Gates African vaccine project buddy, Tedros, at the World Health Organization, to the strange new covfefe illness of “unknown etiology” ... and Chinese scientists published the entire genome of the virUS on Jan. 12th, (including Fauci’s HIV components ... see Fauci’s HIV patent below) ... allowing diagnostic tests to be produced worldwide.
... on Jan. 23rd and after only 17 deaths, the Chinese government took the astonishing step of locking down and quarantining the entire 11 million inhabitants of the city of Wuhan, a story that drew worldwide attention. But Trump’s Oddministration poo-pooed the report and basically “hinted” that the covfefe virUS spread would be over soon ... well, not his exact words, but it contained some orange juice in it to make it yuuugely and tremendously believable ...
... Jan 28, 2020, FBI “arrested” Harvard Scientist Dr. Charles M. Lieber. His lab at Harvard, btw, was named, “Beth Israel” (a hint and a half) ... and, as mentioned above, he setup the secret Wuhan biolab in exchange for $1.5 M plus $50K per month for living expenses, plus other shekels equivalent, for several months in China, while getting $18M funding from DARPA and $9M from mossad’s pedoEpstein/Les Wexner explained here ... >>> “Deep State Coronavirus from Wuhan, Jeffrey Epstein, and Harvard University” >>> https://medicalveritas.org/... ... when it became known that Lieber setup the secret Wuhan lab, he was “rescued”, sorry, “arrested”, and was charged by the FBI with <nudge, wink=""> “espionage” and “lying” to “extract” him out to safety so Lieber could post $1M “cash” bail in order for him to “disappear” and to keep him quiet (they don’t want him to sing like a canary in a Wuhan bat mine) ... the dept of “just us” probably hope that this covfefe crisis, in time, would bury Lieber’s “treason” or his Deep State connection, depending on which side you’re on ... btw, the term Deep State refers to the Pilgrims Society membership ...
... here’s the news report from Japan ... “Harvard scholar to be freed on $1 million bail in China spying case” >>> https://www.japantimes.co.j... and here too ... https://www.usnews.com/news... ...
... and according to this report, Charles and his father Robert are both CIA ... https://aim4truth.org/2020/... ...
... and both father and son were members of the Pilgrims Society (I’ll leave that to you to research) ... hint ... some members of Pilgrims Society were Rothschild, Rockefeller, Sarnoff, Franklin Roosevelt, Bill Gates (of Hell), the UK Royal family, Pirbright Institute and other 1% ers... it was setup in UK and branched to the US in 1903? ... and was responsible for creating the Khazarian Mafia-owned US Federal Reserve in 1913 ... which creates fiat money out of thin air ...
... and here’s Charles M. Lieber’s connection to the UK Queen’s Qinetiq ... https://aim4truth.org/2020/... ... ... btw, Lieber is a recipient of “Wolf Prize”, Israel’s “Nobel” for his “research”. Lieber is also the son of Robert, the guy who developed Aegis Satellite, MICs radar and missile system for WMDs.
... March 21, 2020 ... here’s the pompous pos on video declaring covid-19 was a “live exercise” ... “Secretary of State Mike Pompeo admits COVID-19 is a “live exercise,” President Trump comments: “You should’ve let us know” ...
... >>> https://www.intellihub.com/... ...
.... “United States Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had a slip of the tongue while addressing the American people from the White House when he stated that COVID-19 is a live military exercise. [ on video ] ...
“This is not about retribution,” Pompeo explained. “This matter is going forward — we are in a live exercise here to get this right.” ...
... With a disgusted look on his face, President Trump replied: “You should have let us know.” ...
March 24, 2020 - CDC’s new codes include “assumed” to have caused ... “COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/da...
... here are other information that will help you connect Trump’s covfefe dots ...
... the HIV patent is co-owned by Trump’s Dr. Fauci (https://patents.justia.com/... Multiple sources claimed the HIV genome was spliced into the old SARS virus ... btw, the CIA owns the SARS patent #US7220852B1 May 22, 2007https://prepareforchang... ... to create the new (or “novel”) covid-19 ... ... and icymi, in 1991, an HIV “Patent battle over AZT [the HIV med] heats up ... The National Institutes of Health [note: Fauci’s group] in the US is considering suing the British company Burroughs Wellcome [Wellcome Trust] for a share in the patent of the AIDS drug zidovudine, worth $350 million a year. https://www.newscientist.co...
... now, who’s running Pirbright Institute (a Pilgrims Society founder and owned by a Rothschild)? ... “CORONAVIRUS WAS FUNDED AND PATENTED BY WELLCOME TRUST (UK, FAKE SOLD TO GLAXOSMITHKLINE), BILL & MELINDA GATES [of Hell] FOUNDATION, DARPA, DEFRA (UK), WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, EUROPEAN COMMISSION (EU) VIA THE PIRBRIGHT INSTUTUTE (UK) ... ... https://aim4truth.org/2020/...
... and let’s not leave out the Pentagram’s 25 bioweapons labs in 25 countries from Fort Detrick to the Richard Lugar bioweapons lab in Tbilisi, Georgia (the khazarians’ home away from home) ... “US diplomats involved in trafficking of human blood and pathogens for secret military program” >>> http://armswatch.com/us-dip...
The links don't work because the original was taken down by a trump site. We only have the copy and paste of the information.
 
KaiserX said:
Hey i have nothing against China...other than the fact that they covered up a lot of the info and allowed the virus to spread. Even until now China has refused to share crucial biological info on the virus. For scientist the most useful info is the biological makeup of covid-19 from patient 0 (the first person infected before mutations occur). Why is china continuing to lie to the world?

Even the most pro chinese people are becoming skeptical of China..

At the end of the day the world saw last december how quickly and with force China shut down Wuhan..but they still allowed people to travel overseas...why?
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You knows what's DNA? We shared it when? Check the dates.

tower9 said:
This is all bluster for his knuckle dragging cavemen supporters.
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I visited Taiwan and I spoke alot to them. Taiwanese mentality is when PRC invades, just surrender. Their soldiers don't even know what they are fighting for anymore, they swore an oath to protect the sanctity of the Republic of China as One nation. Alot of the soldiers will defect. The gap between PRC and ROC is too big. My friends told me if PRC wants a successful invasion, just use fear mongering and crash the economy, just say foreigners have 30 days to remove their funds, the economy would collapse and there will be calls for reunification
 
Good for China. Now they can build a larger nuclear stockpile without any backlash and they can trade with the 6.5billion other people in the world without having to fear of tredding on western protected companies in those nations. Russia and China alliance is the future of the world.

https://www.politico.eu/blogs/the-coming-wars/2019/02/russia-china-alliance-rule-the-world/
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Russia's President Vladimir Putin, left, walks with China's President Xi Jinping in Beijing | Greg Baker/AFP via Getty Images

THE COMING WARS

Russia to China: Together we can rule the world
Only Europe can prevent an Eastern bloc.

By BRUNO MAÇÃES

2/17/19, 6:00 AM CET


Updated 4/19/19, 1:17 AM CET

Europe’s obsession with Russia is unrequited. Moscow just isn’t interested in the Continent anymore.

It doesn’t care about European integration, or moving toward Europe. But neither is it interested in Europe’s predicted disintegration, or in pulling countries away from the West and closer to its way of thinking.

In the halls of the Kremlin these days, it’s all about China — and whether or not Moscow can convince Beijing to form an alliance against the West.

Russia’s obsession with a potential alliance with China was already obvious at the Valdai Discussion Club, an annual gathering of Russia’s biggest foreign policy minds, in 2017.

At their next meeting, late last year, the idea seemed to move from the speculative to something Russia wants to realize. And soon.

Russia’s view of China has shifted significantly over the past five years.

Every Russian speech — from obscure academics to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian President Vladimir Putin himself — played that note and no other. There was even a new sense of desperation in the air.

As Sergey Karaganov, a former adviser to Putin, explained to me at breakfast, now everything must be about China.


Russia’s view of China has shifted significantly over the past five years. Moscow has abandoned any hope that the Chinese economy is an example it might emulate. Instead, foreign policy experts now talk of how Russia can use China to further its geopolitical goals.

There was no doubt at Valdai that China knows how to do economic growth, and that Russia does not. Russia’s elite — always so ready to resist any sign of Western hegemony — have no problem admitting China’s economic superiority. Their acceptance reminded me of the way Britain gave way to the United States as the world’s dominant economic power.


In the halls of the Kremlin these days, it’s all about China | Andreas Rentz/Getty Images

Seen from Moscow, there is no resistance left to a new alliance led by China. And now that Washington has imposed tariffs on Chinese exports, Russia hopes China will finally understand that its problem is Washington, not Moscow.

In the past, the possibility of an alliance between the two countries had been hampered by China’s reluctance to jeopardize its relations with the U.S. But now that it has already become a target, perhaps it will grow bolder. Every speaker at Valdai tried to push China in that direction.

When Putin finished a fireside chat with policymakers — a set-piece of the conference, where he fields softball questions from the audience — he made a gesture to leave the room, but then quickly rushed back to grab Yang Jiechi, a former Chinese foreign minister and arguably the main architect of the country’s foreign policy. He insisted on walking out with Yang by his side, to the obvious delight of his Chinese guest.

But what happens now? Can Russia and China really be friends, and for how long?

The thing to remember is that both countries are obsessed with overturning the American-led global order. They may have a long history of geopolitical rivalry — one that is sure to return once their goal is achieved and new poles emerge, pitting them against each other.

But they’ll cross that bridge when they get there, maybe in another 20 years or so. For now, Russia and China are essentially on the same side.

For the moment, Chinese prudence remains the great obstacle to the new alliance. And Russians know this.

This alliance, if it becomes concrete, would overturn how we do global politics. Imagine an international crisis in which Russia and China suddenly emerge as a single bloc. The impact would be considerable, and to some extent unpredictable: Psychologically, in the mind of the West, it would combine the fear associated with Russia with the apparent invulnerability of China. Washington would feel under attack; Europe, intimidated and unsettled.

The old Continent would also face the threat of a split between Western Europe and the nations of Central and Eastern Europe, which could turn their focus east under the influence of a cash-happy China ready to invest in the region.

It would be an entirely new world, and it’s one that is coming closer to becoming reality.

For the moment, Chinese prudence remains the great obstacle to the new alliance. And Russians know this.


Sergey Karaganov, a former adviser to Vladimir Putin | Soeren Stache/AFP via Getty Images

I met Karaganov again at a meeting with Chinese officials and think tankers in Beijing a few weeks ago. There, a number of Chinese participants said they doubted Russia’s assertions that the world is in the midst of a new Cold War.

Karaganov dedicated himself to convincing them otherwise, arguing with increasing passion that China is deluding itself if it thinks issues between Beijing and Washington can be conveniently resolved to the benefit of both sides.

If Beijing places its bets on peace and cooperation, the great Chinese adventure will come to an end, and China will have to live in the shadow of the U.S. for another generation — perhaps forever, Karaganov said. Chinese authorities, he argued, have no more than five years to make a decision.

The meeting was held under the Chatham House rule, so unfortunately, I cannot report on what the response from the Chinese side was; only Karaganov allowed me to relay his words.


At this point, can U.S.-China relations be salvaged? | Fred Dufour/AFP via Getty Images

But from my own separate conversations, Chinese officials appear to agree the clock is ticking. They’re just not yet convinced they should choose war — even a Cold War.

But if China has a word on whether we see the creation of an Eastern bloc, so does Europe.

European markets and European technology are critical resources for China. More and more, Chinese authorities know what to expect from America, and they know all too well what to expect from Russia. But Europe is a different matter. Beijing will hesitate to push it away, and will wait for Europeans to make up their minds.

We can keep them waiting. We can keep them pondering. In a dangerous world, Europe is the holder of the balance.

Bruno Maçães, a former Europe minister for Portugal, is a senior adviser at Flint Global in London and a nonresident senior fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington. His book “The Dawn of Eurasia” was published by Penguin last year.



Authors:
Bruno Maçães
 
donkeykong said:
Good for China. Now they can build a larger nuclear stockpile without any backlash and they can trade with the 6.5billion other people in the world without having to fear of tredding on western protected companies in those nations. Russia and China alliance is the future of the world.

https://www.politico.eu/blogs/the-coming-wars/2019/02/russia-china-alliance-rule-the-world/
bruno_120x145-714x401.jpg

Russia's President Vladimir Putin, left, walks with China's President Xi Jinping in Beijing | Greg Baker/AFP via Getty Images

THE COMING WARS

Russia to China: Together we can rule the world
Only Europe can prevent an Eastern bloc.

By BRUNO MAÇÃES

2/17/19, 6:00 AM CET


Updated 4/19/19, 1:17 AM CET

Europe’s obsession with Russia is unrequited. Moscow just isn’t interested in the Continent anymore.

It doesn’t care about European integration, or moving toward Europe. But neither is it interested in Europe’s predicted disintegration, or in pulling countries away from the West and closer to its way of thinking.

In the halls of the Kremlin these days, it’s all about China — and whether or not Moscow can convince Beijing to form an alliance against the West.

Russia’s obsession with a potential alliance with China was already obvious at the Valdai Discussion Club, an annual gathering of Russia’s biggest foreign policy minds, in 2017.

At their next meeting, late last year, the idea seemed to move from the speculative to something Russia wants to realize. And soon.

Russia’s view of China has shifted significantly over the past five years.

Every Russian speech — from obscure academics to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian President Vladimir Putin himself — played that note and no other. There was even a new sense of desperation in the air.

As Sergey Karaganov, a former adviser to Putin, explained to me at breakfast, now everything must be about China.


Russia’s view of China has shifted significantly over the past five years. Moscow has abandoned any hope that the Chinese economy is an example it might emulate. Instead, foreign policy experts now talk of how Russia can use China to further its geopolitical goals.

There was no doubt at Valdai that China knows how to do economic growth, and that Russia does not. Russia’s elite — always so ready to resist any sign of Western hegemony — have no problem admitting China’s economic superiority. Their acceptance reminded me of the way Britain gave way to the United States as the world’s dominant economic power.


In the halls of the Kremlin these days, it’s all about China | Andreas Rentz/Getty Images

Seen from Moscow, there is no resistance left to a new alliance led by China. And now that Washington has imposed tariffs on Chinese exports, Russia hopes China will finally understand that its problem is Washington, not Moscow.

In the past, the possibility of an alliance between the two countries had been hampered by China’s reluctance to jeopardize its relations with the U.S. But now that it has already become a target, perhaps it will grow bolder. Every speaker at Valdai tried to push China in that direction.

When Putin finished a fireside chat with policymakers — a set-piece of the conference, where he fields softball questions from the audience — he made a gesture to leave the room, but then quickly rushed back to grab Yang Jiechi, a former Chinese foreign minister and arguably the main architect of the country’s foreign policy. He insisted on walking out with Yang by his side, to the obvious delight of his Chinese guest.

But what happens now? Can Russia and China really be friends, and for how long?

The thing to remember is that both countries are obsessed with overturning the American-led global order. They may have a long history of geopolitical rivalry — one that is sure to return once their goal is achieved and new poles emerge, pitting them against each other.

But they’ll cross that bridge when they get there, maybe in another 20 years or so. For now, Russia and China are essentially on the same side.

For the moment, Chinese prudence remains the great obstacle to the new alliance. And Russians know this.

This alliance, if it becomes concrete, would overturn how we do global politics. Imagine an international crisis in which Russia and China suddenly emerge as a single bloc. The impact would be considerable, and to some extent unpredictable: Psychologically, in the mind of the West, it would combine the fear associated with Russia with the apparent invulnerability of China. Washington would feel under attack; Europe, intimidated and unsettled.

The old Continent would also face the threat of a split between Western Europe and the nations of Central and Eastern Europe, which could turn their focus east under the influence of a cash-happy China ready to invest in the region.

It would be an entirely new world, and it’s one that is coming closer to becoming reality.

For the moment, Chinese prudence remains the great obstacle to the new alliance. And Russians know this.


Sergey Karaganov, a former adviser to Vladimir Putin | Soeren Stache/AFP via Getty Images

I met Karaganov again at a meeting with Chinese officials and think tankers in Beijing a few weeks ago. There, a number of Chinese participants said they doubted Russia’s assertions that the world is in the midst of a new Cold War.

Karaganov dedicated himself to convincing them otherwise, arguing with increasing passion that China is deluding itself if it thinks issues between Beijing and Washington can be conveniently resolved to the benefit of both sides.

If Beijing places its bets on peace and cooperation, the great Chinese adventure will come to an end, and China will have to live in the shadow of the U.S. for another generation — perhaps forever, Karaganov said. Chinese authorities, he argued, have no more than five years to make a decision.

The meeting was held under the Chatham House rule, so unfortunately, I cannot report on what the response from the Chinese side was; only Karaganov allowed me to relay his words.


At this point, can U.S.-China relations be salvaged? | Fred Dufour/AFP via Getty Images

But from my own separate conversations, Chinese officials appear to agree the clock is ticking. They’re just not yet convinced they should choose war — even a Cold War.

But if China has a word on whether we see the creation of an Eastern bloc, so does Europe.

European markets and European technology are critical resources for China. More and more, Chinese authorities know what to expect from America, and they know all too well what to expect from Russia. But Europe is a different matter. Beijing will hesitate to push it away, and will wait for Europeans to make up their minds.

We can keep them waiting. We can keep them pondering. In a dangerous world, Europe is the holder of the balance.

Bruno Maçães, a former Europe minister for Portugal, is a senior adviser at Flint Global in London and a nonresident senior fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington. His book “The Dawn of Eurasia” was published by Penguin last year.



Authors:
Bruno Maçães
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This article is just over a year old and already it seems like a lifetime ago. There is no remaining doubt in China's mind that the US is out to contain it - if not destroy it - and no peaceful, "win-win" coexistence. This is the Second Cold War, a fight to the finish, and China has joined it.

Thank you Donald Trump, you have accomplished a miracle.
 
KaiserX said:
Not childish thinking it is true... China has a high degree of responsibility for this global pandemic. Most intelligent sources point to a leak from the wuhan labs... hard to believe this came from a wet market when people have been indulging in bats/dogs etc there for millenias.

China is definatly not gonna pay trillions and trillions for the cost of this to the rest of the world. Many US companies dont see the benefit of manufactering in china anymore which carries a huge loss of reputation now. Along with strides made in AI and 3d printing the cost savings of manufactering in China are almost gone.. the federal govt and states now provide tax breaks and incentives that make manufactering in the US far more attractive. Last I checked 70% of US manufacterurs are looking to move back in the next 2 years.

Things will get even worse since we are looking at 30% unemployment in the states... people are rightfully angry and there is a talk of a hundred year war to punish China...
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"Most intelligent sources point to a leak from the wuhan labs", you just got caught red handed lying here, just like the US government and Trump administration. Most intelligence in fact point there's no evidence it was leaked from the lab.
 
donkeykong said:
Good for China. Now they can build a larger nuclear stockpile without any backlash and they can trade with the 6.5billion other people in the world without having to fear of tredding on western protected companies in those nations. Russia and China alliance is the future of the world.

https://www.politico.eu/blogs/the-coming-wars/2019/02/russia-china-alliance-rule-the-world/
bruno_120x145-714x401.jpg

Russia's President Vladimir Putin, left, walks with China's President Xi Jinping in Beijing | Greg Baker/AFP via Getty Images

THE COMING WARS

Russia to China: Together we can rule the world
Only Europe can prevent an Eastern bloc.

By BRUNO MAÇÃES

2/17/19, 6:00 AM CET


Updated 4/19/19, 1:17 AM CET

Europe’s obsession with Russia is unrequited. Moscow just isn’t interested in the Continent anymore.

It doesn’t care about European integration, or moving toward Europe. But neither is it interested in Europe’s predicted disintegration, or in pulling countries away from the West and closer to its way of thinking.

In the halls of the Kremlin these days, it’s all about China — and whether or not Moscow can convince Beijing to form an alliance against the West.

Russia’s obsession with a potential alliance with China was already obvious at the Valdai Discussion Club, an annual gathering of Russia’s biggest foreign policy minds, in 2017.

At their next meeting, late last year, the idea seemed to move from the speculative to something Russia wants to realize. And soon.

Russia’s view of China has shifted significantly over the past five years.

Every Russian speech — from obscure academics to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian President Vladimir Putin himself — played that note and no other. There was even a new sense of desperation in the air.

As Sergey Karaganov, a former adviser to Putin, explained to me at breakfast, now everything must be about China.


Russia’s view of China has shifted significantly over the past five years. Moscow has abandoned any hope that the Chinese economy is an example it might emulate. Instead, foreign policy experts now talk of how Russia can use China to further its geopolitical goals.

There was no doubt at Valdai that China knows how to do economic growth, and that Russia does not. Russia’s elite — always so ready to resist any sign of Western hegemony — have no problem admitting China’s economic superiority. Their acceptance reminded me of the way Britain gave way to the United States as the world’s dominant economic power.


In the halls of the Kremlin these days, it’s all about China | Andreas Rentz/Getty Images

Seen from Moscow, there is no resistance left to a new alliance led by China. And now that Washington has imposed tariffs on Chinese exports, Russia hopes China will finally understand that its problem is Washington, not Moscow.

In the past, the possibility of an alliance between the two countries had been hampered by China’s reluctance to jeopardize its relations with the U.S. But now that it has already become a target, perhaps it will grow bolder. Every speaker at Valdai tried to push China in that direction.

When Putin finished a fireside chat with policymakers — a set-piece of the conference, where he fields softball questions from the audience — he made a gesture to leave the room, but then quickly rushed back to grab Yang Jiechi, a former Chinese foreign minister and arguably the main architect of the country’s foreign policy. He insisted on walking out with Yang by his side, to the obvious delight of his Chinese guest.

But what happens now? Can Russia and China really be friends, and for how long?

The thing to remember is that both countries are obsessed with overturning the American-led global order. They may have a long history of geopolitical rivalry — one that is sure to return once their goal is achieved and new poles emerge, pitting them against each other.

But they’ll cross that bridge when they get there, maybe in another 20 years or so. For now, Russia and China are essentially on the same side.

For the moment, Chinese prudence remains the great obstacle to the new alliance. And Russians know this.

This alliance, if it becomes concrete, would overturn how we do global politics. Imagine an international crisis in which Russia and China suddenly emerge as a single bloc. The impact would be considerable, and to some extent unpredictable: Psychologically, in the mind of the West, it would combine the fear associated with Russia with the apparent invulnerability of China. Washington would feel under attack; Europe, intimidated and unsettled.

The old Continent would also face the threat of a split between Western Europe and the nations of Central and Eastern Europe, which could turn their focus east under the influence of a cash-happy China ready to invest in the region.

It would be an entirely new world, and it’s one that is coming closer to becoming reality.

For the moment, Chinese prudence remains the great obstacle to the new alliance. And Russians know this.


Sergey Karaganov, a former adviser to Vladimir Putin | Soeren Stache/AFP via Getty Images

I met Karaganov again at a meeting with Chinese officials and think tankers in Beijing a few weeks ago. There, a number of Chinese participants said they doubted Russia’s assertions that the world is in the midst of a new Cold War.

Karaganov dedicated himself to convincing them otherwise, arguing with increasing passion that China is deluding itself if it thinks issues between Beijing and Washington can be conveniently resolved to the benefit of both sides.

If Beijing places its bets on peace and cooperation, the great Chinese adventure will come to an end, and China will have to live in the shadow of the U.S. for another generation — perhaps forever, Karaganov said. Chinese authorities, he argued, have no more than five years to make a decision.

The meeting was held under the Chatham House rule, so unfortunately, I cannot report on what the response from the Chinese side was; only Karaganov allowed me to relay his words.


At this point, can U.S.-China relations be salvaged? | Fred Dufour/AFP via Getty Images

But from my own separate conversations, Chinese officials appear to agree the clock is ticking. They’re just not yet convinced they should choose war — even a Cold War.

But if China has a word on whether we see the creation of an Eastern bloc, so does Europe.

European markets and European technology are critical resources for China. More and more, Chinese authorities know what to expect from America, and they know all too well what to expect from Russia. But Europe is a different matter. Beijing will hesitate to push it away, and will wait for Europeans to make up their minds.

We can keep them waiting. We can keep them pondering. In a dangerous world, Europe is the holder of the balance.

Bruno Maçães, a former Europe minister for Portugal, is a senior adviser at Flint Global in London and a nonresident senior fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington. His book “The Dawn of Eurasia” was published by Penguin last year.



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