Trump cannot afford to walk away from Pakistan: NY Times

[Ahmet Pasha]

Hey America I'll do half your job for you

Here's a New Year present

Now go find his network.

 

[FuturePAF]

Economic development and clamping down on corruption taking valuable loan money out of the country is the way to go. The Military has to look at corruption as a fifth column, undermining national security. call in the politicians to declare their assets and start keep an eye on their finances. Turkey's Economy for example gives it the backbone to stand up for itself around the world. Pakistan should follow their example. China is another great example. 40 years ago, it couldn't fight the Vietnamese, but now through economic means has world leaders coming to it to ask for permission on major international agendas.

 

[Dalit]

She was born in U.S not in india. Kyu Tawadey jernail nahi choopde umreekan de tatte ?
f-16's tatte choop choop ke hi te miley ne ..



Afghans are your concerns as they have concern of Durand line with you.
Its none of our business.

I was born in The Netherlands LOL It is funny how you Indians like to twist and turn the narrative when its suits your argument. Nikki has a fake name and I don't.

It is entirely your business Indian. You are going to take care of your Afghan brothers LOL

 

[Musafir117]

Less personal attacks and more discussions of the subject please!



I liked reading the article, but I loved the clever use of the shriners emblem by the author in the feature image:

Ok
I quit attack and goes back on defense(*^^*)

 

[PakSword]

After initial twitter diarrhea, US is now coming back to her senses.. but it will take a lot of time for US to realize what they have gained VS lost in this war of words.

It was good that Pakistan didn't respond quickly.. and issued sensible statements rather than quickly jumping towards the goal.. Pakistan has all the time on earth to assess and devise a better plan to counter US narrative...

It is not a hidden fact now that Pakistan is closely associated with China.. Pakistan (I will give credit to both government and establishment) that they sensed what was coming before US acted and hence we already developed closer ties with China and started involving Russia in Pakistani and Afghan affairs..

When Salala incident occurred, Pakistan closed the supply route and US couldn't do shyt about it.. They had to issue a statement to defuse the situation. Nothing has changed since then. Their verbal diarrhea in the very next tweet made Iran go farther from US.. So effectively there are no alternate supply routes available. One option out of "supposed" many has already been utilized. Now let's look at the options that it has:

1 - Put restrictions on importing certain US made military equipment (such as F-16 and its parts) -- Done.
2 - Freeze all the financial aid -- Done
3 - Put pressure on IMF/ World Bank/ Asian Development Bank to stop funding developmental projects in Pakistan -- On the way
4 - Put import duties on Pakistani products to reduce Pakistani exports to US -- On the way
5 - Openly accept IOK as India's integral part thereby outlawing any freedom struggle -- Maybe
6 - Support India in engaging Pakistan in a limited war -- Maybe
7 - Attacking Pakistan from Western border -- very less chance...

Pakistan has to devise a plan to take measures, but one at a time.. We have options from sending back Afghan Refugees (as a result of economic sanctions), involving China in our developmental projects, to arming Taliban in case India or US attack us..

 

[Max]

New york times making Americans fool again..

Yanks are desperate, they are punishing Pakistan for siding with China, they are punishing us for not accepting hegemony of inferior eastern subhumans, they would have gifted Afghanistan to us on plate if we would have agreed to serve under inferior eastern subhumans for encirclement of China. Taliban or haqqani are not concern, its issue of past, they want them on Table, Pakistan want them on table as well but as i said yanks are desperate for above mentioned reasons not for Taliban or haqqanis.

I don't know what Pakistan will gain by supporting Taliban and Haqqanis which it cannot get from other corrupt warlord enjoying power in Afghanistan on behest of US? can GCC answer that?

 

[Dalit]

New york times making Americans fool again..

Yanks are desperate, they are punishing Pakistan for siding with China, they are punishing us for not accepting hegemony of inferior eastern subhumans, they would have gifted Afghanistan to us on plate if we would have agreed to serve under inferior eastern subhumans for encirclement of China. Taliban or haqqani are not concern, its issue of past, they want them on Table, Pakistan want them on table as well but as i said yanks are desperate for above mentioned reasons not for Taliban or haqqanis.

I don't know what Pakistan will gain by supporting Taliban and Haqqanis which it cannot get from other corrupt warlord enjoying power in Afghanistan on behest of US? can GCC answer that?

It is incredibly funny how the Americans are trying to pretend that GCC has influence over Pakistan LOL

 

[xyxmt]

i dont think Haqqani or some terror group is an problem for pak-U.S ties. Terror from Haqqani group is just used an excuse for something else.
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that something else is their incapability to defeat Talibans, when generals are asked about it they point their finger at Pakistan, unlike Obama Trump is not smart enough to think by himself.

 

[RoadRunner401]

First, so-called billions in payments is for the goods and services you BUY from Pakistan, but there is a way around it, you can save the billions/yr by simply having the Indians fly everything into Afghanistan via the Air freight corridor they have established and don't pay them, anything, since it's their and your interest you are protecting in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has played a double game, accepting American funding while backing militants who protect Pakistani interests in Afghanistan and Kashmir.

Clearly, Pakistanis are wrong here they shouldn't be protecting Pakistan's interest

There are other perfidies. Pakistan’s security services support the Lashkar-e-Taiba, an extremist group that targets India and Kashmir.

Internationally recognized disputed land of Kashmir, you can allegedly see, Pakistani security services supporting Kashmir freedom fighters, but you cannot see Indians Raw and Afghan NDS training and supporting financing terrorist in Afghanistan that are active in Baluchistan and other Parts of Pakistan.

Americans are the one playing the double game here, on one hand you call Pakistan an ally and on the other supporting Indian interest, which is clearly against Pakistan

 

[Sully3]

the most damning part of the article is:

Meanwhile, Pakistan’s willingness to give refuge to the Haqqanis and their allies is a major reason the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, where Mr. Trump recently agreed to increase American troop levels, still drags on after 17 years. The Islamic State’s expansion in Afghanistan has complicated the battlefield even more.

SO you are telling me that 3 POTUS, Trillions of US dollars, the US Armed Forces, Nato and countless other countries best soldiers could not win the war in Afghanistan because of some rag tag militant group like the Haqqani network.

The US government really thinks the world is as stupid as the american public. The fact that the Haqqanis are even mentioned as a causing problems to USAF is a disgrace to the credibility and performance of USAF.

 

[Meengla]

I am a monthly paid subscriber to the NY Times. Love it. However, articles like this--an editorial at that--just amazes me that it completely ignores the India-factor in Pakistan's posture. This editorial is, on the whole, a little bit more balanced simply because NYT hates Trump as much as it hates Pakistan. Had it Obama tweeting like this--an unlikely thing--NYT would not be even half balanced. Shame NYT.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Our relationship with America was already in Decline , Trump just seal the fate of it .. if we can't work together better work in individual capacity to keep our Lands secure , America can fence Afghanistan side border, make 1000+ Fortified bunkers to keep an eye on incursions , and increase drone surveillance .. Pakistan is keeping its borders secure .

 

[LeGenD]

This was expected, the more US is divided on how to deal with Pakistan, the better it is for Pakistan. On the other hand Pakistan knows whats going on and how to make US pay.

Disagree.

They are confusing us with their two-faced tactic; on one hand, they appreciate our efforts against terrorism; on the other hand, they are accusing us of harboring terrorists like Haqqani Network. All of this is really puzzling to us and we are stuck.

IMF rescued our economy from collapse in 2008 and US is 2nd largest trading partner of Pakistan.

Therefore, Pakistan is unable to decide whether US is friend or foe. It seems as if we are being forced to walk on egg shells.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

What no one is talking about that it's peak winter now. Afghan north and beyond is frozen so any wet dream of using that route for American supplies is pure bravado and BS. Without mentioning how Russia will squeeze America for Northern route.

If Pakistan does pull the plug now, shit will hit the fan.

 

[LeGenD]

What no one is talking about that it's peak winter now. Afghan north and beyond is frozen so any wet dream of using that route for American supplies is pure bravado and BS. Without mentioning how Russia will squeeze America for Northern route.

If Pakistan does pull the plug now, shit will hit the fan.

They will manage because a small force is stationed in Afghanistan at present (~12000 troops). They have a route that bypasses Russia as well.

They also have ample experience in operating in extremely cold conditions.