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Why don’t they join us already. Pfft.
Just because you trade with eachother means you have to fuse into one country?
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Why don’t they join us already. Pfft.
It's sealed to an extend in Nagaland,Mizoram,Arunachal now even Manipur with ILP. Naga & mizos are too canny to be deceived by unchecked illegal immigrants influx,they have developed strong internal mechanism to monitor that. Arunachal is buffered by Nagaland and Assam, Manipur was more open ended but now it procured ILP, and is an ancient civilization with strong traditional culture, for any remaining immigrants perforating from nearby states are likely to assimilate in Meitei or adopt their culture and language than cause disruption.From Punjabi to bangladeshi those who have lived in the state speak in local tongue and adopt local culture on their own,totally different case than Tripura,the twiprasa seems weak on culture power,from what I've seen. Meghalaya also has many indigenous protection laws but doesn't have ILP. But still they can't take any chances .Flood gates have already opened buddy. As per your own government.
Prepare to become minority in your own state.
Inhibited or not doesn't matter ,it's protected legally under indigenous protection laws.These laws and the constitution are the reason NE region eventually agreed to be part of the Union,and peace and tranquility in the region exists.
Sure, you can never be certain about anything for future,but that's how everything in this world basically is.But article 370 of kashimir is totally different than Article 371 (A), (B), (C) & (G) Nagaland, Assam, Manipur and Mizoram . It's like comparing apples and oranges and trying to use one same yard stick to measure everything. Indian gov needs those articles for peace and stability,totally different issues than hindu Muslim,iNDIA-pak feud of Kashmir.Lol, either you are too naïve or living in a different world. India just revoked the special status of Kashmir despite huge international condemnation, what makes you think they would honor the agreement with Northeast states which are not even disputed territories?
As for Tripura, they have very strong ties with Bangladesh, and I mean really "strong". A lot of Tripurans even have double citizenships of both Bangladesh and India, some would leave their family in Tripura and work in Bangladesh, I have met few such people myself.
The indigenous people have lost all their power: political, financial, and even military. The tribals in Tripura are so poor that many of the migrate to Bangladesh illegally in search of food. The tribal Tripuris had a chance when NLFT was alive but it has already been exterminated and now the state is under total and permanent Bengali dominance.
India doesn't recognize dual citizenship.As for Tripura, they have very strong ties with Bangladesh, and I mean really "strong". A lot of Tripurans even have double citizenships of both Bangladesh and India, some would leave their family in Tripura and work in Bangladesh, I have met few such people myself.
I don't believe that's true,I've seen how much indigenous people have no affinity toward Bangladesh.I don't think y'all get the image the people of NE let alone Tripural have for BD due to the immigrants that arrive from there ,that's a reason you will never find anyone migrating there but always the reverse migration.The indigenous people have lost all their power: political, financial, and even military. The tribals in Tripura are so poor that many of the migrate to Bangladesh illegally in search of food. The tribal Tripuris had a chance when NLFT was alive but it has already been exterminated and now the state is under total and permanent Bengali dominance.
Indian political system is based on majoritarian system,Tripura is 70%+ bangla folk ,they are concentrated in non TTADC area.The indigenous people have lost all their power: political, financial, and even military. The tribals in Tripura are so poor that many of the migrate to Bangladesh illegally in search of food. The tribal Tripuris had a chance when NLFT was alive but it has already been exterminated and now the state is under total and permanent Bengali dominance.
Sure, you can never be certain about anything for future,but that's how everything in this world basically is.But article 370 of kashimir is totally different than Article 371 (A), (B), (C) & (G) Nagaland, Assam, Manipur and Mizoram . It's like comparing apples and oranges and trying to use one same yard stick to measure everything. Indian gov needs those articles for peace and stability,totally different issues than hindu Muslim,iNDIA-pak feud of Kashmir.
India doesn't recognize dual citizenship.
I don't believe that's true,I've seen how much indigenous people have no affinity toward Bangladesh.I don't think y'all get the image the people of NE let alone Tripural have for BD due to the immigrants that arrive from there ,that's a reason you will never find anyone migrating there but always the reverse migration.
I have been to Tripura many times,my laptop was stolen right from the room by a bangla immigrant,while I was staying at my friends room ,it's a mess there,thieving,crime against women and such.Last thing they would want is to go to Bangladesh itself. Most people in the periphery of Tripura.Bangladesh border are bangla folk ,the indigenous tribes are in generally centred in the deeper parts of the state.
Indian political system is based on majoritarian system,Tripura is 70%+ bangla folk ,they are concentrated in non TTADC area.
The indigenous tribes were much poorer in past but since they has fewer population ,but they have sets of rights in jobs and opportunities and possess more resources,from land to everything else ,their quality of life and economic profile seems to have drastically improved ,while that of the avg bangla has decreased due to ever increasing immigrants in the bangla concentrated areas. You can just walk the streets of Agartala,all the poorly maintained dingy areas,slums,people with impoverished outlooks and frayed clothes are all Bangla. I've seen it myself,things are kind of different than how it use to be.
There are poor indigenous tribes in hilly part but they seem rather content compared to what we see in Agartala,capital city where I've been mostly.The indigenous tribes have plenty of land resources ,they get cheap rations(rice/pulses/wheat etc),oil,kerosine and basic education for free,why would they leave that and venture into worse off Bangladeh border areas for food? make sense?
Sure, you can never be certain about anything for future,but that's how everything in this world basically is.But article 370 of kashimir is totally different than Article 371 (A), (B), (C) & (G) Nagaland, Assam, Manipur and Mizoram . It's like comparing apples and oranges and trying to use one same yard stick to measure everything. Indian gov needs those articles for peace and stability,totally different issues than hindu Muslim,iNDIA-pak feud of Kashmir.
India doesn't recognize dual citizenship.
Hey stop spreading communal hatred will you? Yes we have both Tiprasa and Bengalis here but for the most part there is peace between the communities. You are bashing on the bengali population without knowing ground truths. The non ADC areas has almost all the centres of economy and development. You will be hardpressed to find beggars in Agartala. We have NITs(2nd rank in N. E. after Silchar, was founded in 1965) , IIITs, medical colleges, private and government hospitals, international airport under construction(domestic is 2nd busiest in north east after Guwahati). You'll find most of the amenities of modern cities here, lol even uber has started operations. Tripura has one of the highest literacy in India(2nd by latest estimates after Kerala). Yes we can do far better but by many metrics like education, infrastructure development we rank just behind Assam. You are bashing Agartala because of Bengalis and praising manipur, nagaland, mizoram and calling Tripura inferior because of it. Our NIT basically was the mentor institute to NIT Mizoram, we have supercomputing facility, isro space incubation center. All these happened because bengalis are just slum dwellers right? Reality check bengalis were always there in Tripura plain area, they called the same person king as Tiprasa did who wrote and spoke bengali, know about SD Burman, RD Burman? Many would call them bengali but they are Twipra Royal family, check any historical document like Rajmala. Both Tiprasa and Bengali people will gain from better relations and trade with Bangladesh, we don't need the anti bengali or for the matter anti Tiprasa hate here.Indian political system is based on majoritarian system,Tripura is 70%+ bangla folk ,they are concentrated in non TTADC area.
The indigenous tribes were much poorer in past but since they has fewer population ,but they have sets of rights in jobs and opportunities and possess more resources,from land to everything else ,their quality of life and economic profile seems to have drastically improved ,while that of the avg bangla has decreased due to ever increasing immigrants in the bangla concentrated areas. You can just walk the streets of Agartala,all the poorly maintained dingy areas,slums,people with impoverished outlooks and frayed clothes are all Bangla. I've seen it myself,things are kind of different than how it use to be.
There are poor indigenous tribes in hilly part but they seem rather content compared to what we see in Agartala,capital city where I've been mostly.The indigenous tribes have plenty of land resources ,they get cheap rations(rice/pulses/wheat etc),oil,kerosine and basic education for free,why would they leave that and venture into worse off Bangladeh border areas for food? make sense?
As expected, you have nothing to say apart from parroting "NE people hate Bangladesh" and bla bla. The ground realities say different.
Tripura: Tribals on the fringes crossing over to Bangladesh for food, work
Over 600 Tripura tribals went to Bangladesh for livelihood: CPI-M
Heck Bangladesh is even the main education hub for NE people. You will find at least a dozen NE students at any given private medical college or university in Bangladesh. Talk with facts, else, as a representative of NE, you are just endorsing the racist perception that Indians generally have about Northeast people by your low-intellect posts.
You are right, it's apple vs oranges and it would be even easier for India to revoke the special status in the NE than in Kashmir because of the differences in military threat and international attention. The reason why NE hasn't faced the revocation is because of its low significance in regional geopolitics but times are changing as China-India disputes grow larger and Indianizing the NE region would be a priority. They have already dealt with the separatist groups so there will be significantly less cost as well.
Neither Bangladesh nor India need to recognize dual citizenship, a person can hide the other nationality and choose to use whichever passport whenever he wants.
As expected, you have nothing to say apart from parroting "NE people hate Bangladesh" and bla bla. The ground realities say different.
Tripura: Tribals on the fringes crossing over to Bangladesh for food, work
Over 600 Tripura tribals went to Bangladesh for livelihood: CPI-M
Heck Bangladesh is even the main education hub for NE people. You will find at least a dozen NE students at any given private medical college or university in Bangladesh. Talk with facts, else, as a representative of NE, you are just endorsing the racist perception that Indians generally have about Northeast people by your low-intellect posts.
WHt the fk do you mean by Indianizing an Indian? you mean turning people into more coffee dark skin? or Delhi style rape capital transformation ?You are right, it's apple vs oranges and it would be even easier for India to revoke the special status in the NE than in Kashmir because of the differences in military threat and international attention. The reason why NE hasn't faced the revocation is because of its low significance in regional geopolitics but times are changing as China-India disputes grow larger and Indianizing the NE region would be a priority. They have already dealt with the separatist groups so there will be significantly less cost as well.
Don't take it wrong ,I hope for peaceful existence . But since we are on a discussion ,this is not about communal hatred,this is about invasion by mass migrants, pouring in enmasse taking advantage of generosity and hijacking of local culture and political power.Hey stop spreading communal hatred will you? Yes we have both Tiprasa and Bengalis here but for the most part there is peace between the communities. You are bashing on the bengali population without knowing ground truths. The non ADC areas has almost all the centres of economy and development. You will be hardpressed to find beggars in Agartala. We have NITs(2nd rank in N. E. after Silchar, was founded in 1965) , IIITs, medical colleges, private and government hospitals, international airport under construction(domestic is 2nd busiest in north east after Guwahati). You'll find most of the amenities of modern cities here, lol even uber has started operations. Tripura has one of the highest literacy in India(2nd by latest estimates after Kerala). Yes we can do far better but by many metrics like education, infrastructure development we rank just behind Assam. You are bashing Agartala because of Bengals and praising manipur, nagaland, mizoram and calling Tripura inferior because of it. Our NIT basically was the mentor institute to NIT Mizoram, we have supercomputing facility, isro space incubation center. All these happened because bengals are just slum dwellers right? Reality check bengalis were always there in Tripura plain area, they called the same person king as Tiprasa did who wrote and spoke bengali, know about SD Burman, RD Burman? Many would call them bengal but they are Twipra Royal family, check any historical document like Rajmala. Both Tiprasa and Bengali people will gain from better relations and trade with Bangladesh, we don't need the anti bengali or for the matter anti Tiprasa hate here.
Not denying some wrongs would have been done but times have changed now. About getting jobs through connections where in the world does that not occur? It's not about bengali or Tiprasa but about simple connections to get a job. Now it's different, actual skills get you a job as there are so less and such fierce competition. Even in quota you have high competition. Tiprasa were not displaced as their rights for the majority living in ADC areas were looked after. Instead it's the opposite actually, more and more Tiprasa are coming out of ADC areas and settling in non ADC areas. Our kings employed many bengali ministers, poets, musicians. Yes mass migration of Bengalis took place but the majority were during partition or the 60-70s when war and atrocities were high not without reason. Any recent immigration is not seen favorably both by bengalis and Tiprasa. We have just come out of CPM era where development went through snails place, people hope for more development and in many areas it is seen(even though we have a laughable CM). People are having an business mind who are opening their own ventures, you'll see something new cropping up every now and then. Tripura also is very progressive in mindset, women are encouraged to take up jobs, very less caste discrimination, emphasis on education, what you'll expect out of a modern society.Don't take it wrong ,I hope for peaceful existence . But since we are on a discussion ,this is not about communal hatred,this is about invasion by mass migrants, pouring in enmasse taking advantage of generosity and hijacking of local culture and political power.
It's peaceful now after massive communal violence in past decade where the 70% majority pushed the minority(actual indigenous ) into far flung inconvenient areas and openly assaulting to the dignity of the indigenous. Systematically filling the gov posts with Bengals and their relatives other than keeping the bare minimum for quota,that's how the immigrants took over political power,and rendered whole community extremely poor for decades,still there are many poor and struggling due to mass migrants taking their jobs,lands and opportunities using vote bank policies,only recently they finally managed to pull itself up ,thanks to smaller population and constitutional protection.
Tripura has quite a bit of fertile land fit for cultiation,huge water resources(rare in NE) even gas,it was the only 2nd princely state in NE for a reason,it has trade with both BD & Indian states nearby. It's not hard for Tripura to take on development path compared to MIZORAM which is hillstate,Nagaland which used to act like impenetrable mountainous buffer for Manipur kingdom.These are hard to chart and conduct valuable cultivativation.Manipur which is surrounded by 7 mountains with a plateau and massive lake right in between,is the other state with decent geography in NE . Development in hilly areas is always very hard.Geography really matters for development at base lvl for developing nation like India.These two regions are supposed to develop on their own pace,just that without unabated immigrant problem tripura would have been culturally indigenous,safer for women ,less crime and thieving (which I have been a personal victim of).
And I know SD Burman,he's the son of Princess of Manipur,our blood line runs in the royal family of Tripura .
Not really, such ideas even if mentioned are used to rile up the vote bank no active official demand to incorporate areas from Bangladesh. The current Tipraland demand is only for the ADC areas. It's really bound to fail, as I said most of the developed area's are inside non ADC areas so essentially the new state will end up loosing a lot than gaining, people with logic realize this and hence don't support Tipraland, they just support greater representation for Tiprasa through this movement. Through Tipraland some feel they will have more power to look into Tiprasa specific issues including grievances of the Tripuri people in neighboring states and Bangladesh, which they feel current government is not taking active steps towards. But actually such a new state will have such a small economy to begin with and won't have the power necessary to influence such changes. The gullible people who have been fed anti bengali hatred only fall for it who are made to believe in a utopia that can't exist. Having ADC and non ADC areas have restricted development in turn and many are lead to believe further isolation will actually help instead of thinking logically and working towards common goal of development for what's essentially already a pretty small state.@UDAYCAMPUS
Could you explain if the Great Tipraland idea proposes taking over land from Bangladesh?
However, the idea doesn’t restrict to simply the Tripura tribal council areas, but seeks to include ‘Tiprasa’ of Tripuris spread across different states of India like Assam, Mizoram etc. as well, even those living in Bandarban, Chittagong, Khagrachari and other bordering areas of neighbouring Bangladesh.
When asked if his demand for ‘Greater Tipraland’ seeks to re-draw territorial boundary lines of Tripura or the proposed state including parts of Assam, Mizoram and Bangladesh, where Tripuris were claimed to live, the royal scion didn’t specify
https://indianexpress.com/article/e...at-does-it-mean-for-tripura-politics-7199420/
From where did you conjure Bangladesh is main education hub of NE folk? You are probably mixing khasi hill folk for NE at best. I have spend time in many NE states, have many friends, relatives, never ever have I heard anyone mentioning BD as an option for education. Though I wouldn't deny that few might actually go there,given the proximity,but Indians don't think BD certificate is worth the hassle especially the verification turnover on the foreign certificate in the Indian degree ranking system from Delhi,it's a huge hassle, I myself faced long hurdle to accredit my foreign certificate . Few super poor people with relatives in BD might opt for that. But that's super rare.No Indian would chose a BD college over Indian one,just like they would chose an American college over Indian,that's Indian mentality.
WHt the fk do you mean by Indianizing an Indian? you mean turning people into more coffee dark skin? or Delhi style rape capital transformation ?
Do you not realize NE is indeed part of India and regardless of their culture and physical appearance they are Indian? Do you think as Indian they don't have any rights on how the region operate ?
Why would the gov risk all out protest,instability when the region is peaceful and happily contributing as part of India? you lack the basic concept of geopolitical interaction over which any two regions interact.
The article 371 and that of NE regions are totally different ,such protection are enjoyed by indigenous people from all over the India ,most of the tribes in India are in MP of India,and the NE clause are simply for indigenous protection,which is seen as universal for just about any nation.
Some people lack the sense to understand simple regional politics.Just because you trade with each other means you have to fuse into one country?
Not denying some wrongs would have been done but times have changed now. About getting jobs through connections where in the world does that not occur? It's not about bengali or Tiprasa but about simple connections to get a job. Now it's different, actual skills get you a job as there are so less and such fierce competition. Even in quota you have high competition. Tiprasa were not displaced as their rights for the majority living in ADC areas were looked after. Instead it's the opposite actually, more and more Tiprasa are coming out of ADC areas and settling in non ADC areas. Our kings employed many bengali ministers, poets, musicians. Yes mass migration of Bengalis took place but the majority were during partition or the 60-70s when war and atrocities were high not without reason. Any recent immigration is not seen favorably both by bengalis and Tiprasa. We have just come out of CPM era where development went through snails place, people hope for more development and in many areas it is seen(even though we have a laughable CM). People are having an business mind who are opening their own ventures, you'll see something new cropping up every now and then. Tripura also is very progressive in mindset, women are encouraged to take up jobs, very less caste discrimination, emphasis on education, what you'll expect out of a modern society.
About Manipur especially , we have high respect for Manipuri people and their culture, you will see many Manipuri people here too(titles Sinha, Singh people). And for entire NE we want nothing but peace and development. We just hope our close trade and cultural relations with Bangladesh is not seen so critically by our NE brothers.
Indian mentality, Lol.
Thousands of Indian students come to Bangladesh every year, including a large number from Northeast.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/n...ated-from-bangladesh-through-land-route-91176
There are even a number of consultancy firms in India dedicated to facilitate the student admissions to Bangladeshi medical colleges, like what we have for North American, British or Australian universities.
Indianizing means cultural and demographic transformation of the Northeast, by settling people from the mainland. Something similar is already happening in Arunachal Pradesh with the dominance of Hindi, I met one student from AP and he speaks Hindi as good as any North Indian despite never living in any native Hindi-speaking areas.
Lol, are you for real? Israel also has Arab citizens but does it mean Arabs and Jews have same rights? Did you ever get justice for the rapes committed by the Indian military in Northeast? So much for your rights. lol
Protests? Lol, you protested yet CAA got passed, paving the way for more settlements of Bangladeshi Hindus. What did you do? You have been literally living under subjugation for 70 years, ruled by a capital thousands of kms away. And who's going to create instability? All your separatist groups have been destroyed, Northeast is now a cake walk for mainland settlers.
Indian mentality, Lol.
Thousands of Indian students come to Bangladesh every year, including a large number from Northeast.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/n...ated-from-bangladesh-through-land-route-91176
There are even a number of consultancy firms in India dedicated to facilitate the student admissions to Bangladeshi medical colleges, like what we have for North American, British or Australian universities.
[/QUOTE]Lol, are you for real? Israel also has Arab citizens but does it mean Arabs and Jews have same rights? Did you ever get justice for the rapes committed by the Indian military in Northeast? So much for your rights. lol
Protests? Lol, you protested yet CAA got passed, paving the way for more settlements of Bangladeshi Hindus. What did you do? You have been literally living under subjugation for 70 years, ruled by a capital thousands of kms away. And who's going to create instability? All your separatist groups have been destroyed, Northeast is now a cake walk for mainland settlers.