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Restriction on recreation
Travelling abroad on a Pakistani passport is becoming tougher by the day
By Aoun Sahi

Abid Hussain belongs to a well-established trader family of Islamabad and resides in E-11 Sector. He along with seven of his friends planned to go to Malaysia in March this year on a vacation. They contacted a tour operator who managed to get their visas after some hassle in two weeks. The group of friends left for Malaysia early April this year.

“We planned to go to Malaysia because it was out of question to get visas to some European countries. We were very happy and kept on planning how to spend our time there in Malaysia and joked around during the flight. But all our excitement vanished once we landed at the Kuala Lumpur airport,” says Abid Hussain.

The Malaysian authorities questioned them for two hours. They finally allowed only three of them to enter while ordered the other five to be deported from the airport.

In fact, “They sent back several Pakistanis travelling on that flight,” says Hussain. “They told us that majority of Pakistanis who come to Malaysia on tourist visas slip into their country and become illegal immigrants. So, they don’t allow people on tourist visas until they are not 100 per cent sure that the visitor is a genuine tourist.”

Travelling abroad on a Pakistani passport has become tougher in the last two decades.

The situation is not only affecting those who want to visit other countries for economic reasons, but also those who want to travel for recreational purposes especially in summer vacations.

It is not only the war on terror and the track record of Pakistanis in many terrorism activities abroad that alone is responsible for this.

“To get a tourist visa of any country has become difficult for Pakistanis because an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis slip into not only western countries, but also into countries like Malaysia and Dubai,” says Ali ****, who is a business partner in one of the country’s largest travel agency. “They also use forged or fake documents like bank statements and police reports to apply for tourist visas. It does not only create problem for genuine tourists but also tour operators. We have to pay fines of some kind to get our licenses restored because of these people. Lately, we have been facing severe issues with the Malaysian visas. Most of the time people succeed in getting visas but it has become difficult for them to convince the immigration authorities in Malaysia. I think almost 60 per cent people travelling on the green passport who have genuine tourist visas are being denied entry into Malaysia.”

Ali **** says the US, the UK and the European countries are particularly careful while granting visas — “These days the US and European countries are rejecting visas to more than 5 per cent of applicants, and the visa processing procedure usually takes months.”

Dr Abid Qaiyum Suleri, an NGO head based in Islamabad, who travels frequently to different parts of the world for work, says that getting visas in Pakistan is like getting loans from banks. “Those who need it are hardly able to get it as the process has become so complicated over the years.”

A tour operator and travel agent based in Faisalabad who has been in the business since the mid-1990s tells TNS that things have changed drastically for the Pakistanis trying to travel abroad for all purposes. “Everyone, from businessmen to tourists to students to job-seekers to pilgrims, has been affected. Tourists are among the most hit. They spend money to go somewhere to relax but it has become so hectic to get a visa in the first place and then the kind of grilling Pakistanis go through at entry points almost everywhere in the world has made it very tough.”

Syed Wahad Raza whose company arranges tours in the Middle East, tells TNS that his company did not receive a single application for a tourist visa this year, while when the company started, five years ago, the company started getting applications from April. Another reason is also that the expenses—airfare and hotel rates — have doubled during the last five years.

According to Raza, “In those days most of the countries, except Gulf states, used to stamp passports on arrival. Now there are less than 20 countries (mainly African countries and some SAARC countries) in the world that grant Pakistanis visas on arrival.”

Several Western countries’ embassies in Pakistan have scaled down their presence in Pakistan and some have scrapped their visa councillor offices altogether. The embassies now do not allow applicants to come straight to them to file the application. They ask the applicants to file applications along with pile of documents like bank accounts, property ownership details, return tickets, hotel booking confirmation receipts, proof of travel and health insurance, medical test reports and police reports through a courier service provider.

In many cases applicants are needed to fill online application forms as well.

Western countries have not only increased their visas fees manifold but have increased the processing time as well and applicants are asked not to bother calling the embassy to check the status of an application.

At present, the tourist visa fee for the US is Rs14,400 plus Rs1,500 courier charges and UK visit visa fee valid for six months is Rs9,750 (inclusive of FedEx charges) plus Rs200 bank charges. Visa fees are non-refundable while one also spends a good amount of money to come to Islamabad for the interview. For the US and other western countries an acceptance of visa applications does not mean that visas will surely be granted. For example, the US embassy after accepting an application gives a receipt to the applicant that clearly mentions that it can take several months to issue a visa and the embassy has the right to deny a visa even then if it is not satisfied with the applicant.

Another very important factor that makes travelling from Pakistan to Western countries cumbersome is the suspension of operations of all Western airlines from Pakistan after 9/11. There are hardly any direct flights from Pakistan to Western countries and Pakistanis have to travel on Middle Eastern countries which further adds to the cost of travel. For example it costs only Indian Rs 32,000 to 35,000 (around Pakistani Rs 60,000) to get a return air ticket to any European country from India. While these countries’ air ticket from Pakistan is not less than Rs 80,000 to 90,000.

Then there are several countries like Mexico which do not have their embassies in Pakistan and people have to travel to India or some other country to get a visa.

Different countries have introduced specific restrictions for Pakistanis who want to travel. India, has always been considered the most problematic country for Pakistanis to travel to and vice versa because of required documentation and security approvals, but even a country like Indonesia has made it essential for applicants to show a personal guarantor from Indonesia who needs to explain concerned authorities in Indonesia why he/she may be inviting a Pakistani to Indonesia. Cambodia also requires a personal guarantor for visiting Pakistanis.

Dubai fines a travel agent Rs 180,000 if a tourist overstays or slips.

Rumana Hussain , a regular international traveller and travel writer agrees that the situation has become tougher for Pakistani tourists to go abroad. “It depends on where one wants to go. For example India is our neighbour and the cheapest country to travel to but it is the most difficult country to get into. The situation is also different for people belonging to different age groups. Young people have been facing the worst situation. It is also true that visa processing for Pakistanis has become more complex and time consuming but better planning can help to overcome this issue. People should apply two-three months in advance and should fill the online application forms with full concentration. I think it would help those getting visas in time and less grilling at airports.”
 
i find it unusual how it's easier for a Pakistani to go to America but harder to go to India
 
It's not just Pakistanis. A Muslim name raises alarm bells especially in Western countries. This sucks! :tdown:

"My name is Khan...and I'm not a terrorist!"

Not true, at least not for this article. Malaysia itself has majority Muslim population. Its just that some bad Pakistanis are ruining the reputation of all Pakistanis.

i find it unusual how it's easier for a Pakistani to go to America but harder to go to India

Thats true the other way around too. India and Pakistan both have strict visa rules for one another.
 
OIC and Ummah are not following the universal doctrine of live and let live type...
Senior osama and other ulama said that this earth belongs to alah and no one else....
Hence the problems on its universal magnitude...
Because it seems that they are brainwashed on dogmatic theme sans prudence...
 
Most people with their last names Khan have these kind of troubles. Nor we nor any of our relative had to go through these hardtimes any time at any airport.
 
cricketrulez;3039108]pride Daughter of the North West Malalai has proved that she is worthy of the name
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Restriction on recreation
Travelling abroad on a Pakistani passport is becoming tougher by the day
By Aoun Sahi

Abid Hussain belongs to a well-established trader family of Islamabad and resides in E-11 Sector. He along with seven of his friends planned to go to Malaysia in March this year on a vacation. They contacted a tour operator who managed to get their visas after some hassle in two weeks. The group of friends left for Malaysia early April this year.

“We planned to go to Malaysia because it was out of question to get visas to some European countries. We were very happy and kept on planning how to spend our time there in Malaysia and joked around during the flight. But all our excitement vanished once we landed at the Kuala Lumpur airport,” says Abid Hussain.

The Malaysian authorities questioned them for two hours. They finally allowed only three of them to enter while ordered the other five to be deported from the airport.

In fact, “They sent back several Pakistanis travelling on that flight,” says Hussain. “They told us that majority of Pakistanis who come to Malaysia on tourist visas slip into their country and become illegal immigrants. So, they don’t allow people on tourist visas until they are not 100 per cent sure that the visitor is a genuine tourist.”

Travelling abroad on a Pakistani passport has become tougher in the last two decades.

The situation is not only affecting those who want to visit other countries for economic reasons, but also those who want to travel for recreational purposes especially in summer vacations.

It is not only the war on terror and the track record of Pakistanis in many terrorism activities abroad that alone is responsible for this.

“To get a tourist visa of any country has become difficult for Pakistanis because an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis slip into not only western countries, but also into countries like Malaysia and Dubai,” says Ali ****, who is a business partner in one of the country’s largest travel agency. “They also use forged or fake documents like bank statements and police reports to apply for tourist visas. It does not only create problem for genuine tourists but also tour operators. We have to pay fines of some kind to get our licenses restored because of these people. Lately, we have been facing severe issues with the Malaysian visas. Most of the time people succeed in getting visas but it has become difficult for them to convince the immigration authorities in Malaysia. I think almost 60 per cent people travelling on the green passport who have genuine tourist visas are being denied entry into Malaysia.”

Ali **** says the US, the UK and the European countries are particularly careful while granting visas — “These days the US and European countries are rejecting visas to more than 5 per cent of applicants, and the visa processing procedure usually takes months.”

Dr Abid Qaiyum Suleri, an NGO head based in Islamabad, who travels frequently to different parts of the world for work, says that getting visas in Pakistan is like getting loans from banks. “Those who need it are hardly able to get it as the process has become so complicated over the years.”

A tour operator and travel agent based in Faisalabad who has been in the business since the mid-1990s tells TNS that things have changed drastically for the Pakistanis trying to travel abroad for all purposes. “Everyone, from businessmen to tourists to students to job-seekers to pilgrims, has been affected. Tourists are among the most hit. They spend money to go somewhere to relax but it has become so hectic to get a visa in the first place and then the kind of grilling Pakistanis go through at entry points almost everywhere in the world has made it very tough.”

Syed Wahad Raza whose company arranges tours in the Middle East, tells TNS that his company did not receive a single application for a tourist visa this year, while when the company started, five years ago, the company started getting applications from April. Another reason is also that the expenses—airfare and hotel rates — have doubled during the last five years.

According to Raza, “In those days most of the countries, except Gulf states, used to stamp passports on arrival. Now there are less than 20 countries (mainly African countries and some SAARC countries) in the world that grant Pakistanis visas on arrival.”

Several Western countries’ embassies in Pakistan have scaled down their presence in Pakistan and some have scrapped their visa councillor offices altogether. The embassies now do not allow applicants to come straight to them to file the application. They ask the applicants to file applications along with pile of documents like bank accounts, property ownership details, return tickets, hotel booking confirmation receipts, proof of travel and health insurance, medical test reports and police reports through a courier service provider.

In many cases applicants are needed to fill online application forms as well.

Western countries have not only increased their visas fees manifold but have increased the processing time as well and applicants are asked not to bother calling the embassy to check the status of an application.

At present, the tourist visa fee for the US is Rs14,400 plus Rs1,500 courier charges and UK visit visa fee valid for six months is Rs9,750 (inclusive of FedEx charges) plus Rs200 bank charges. Visa fees are non-refundable while one also spends a good amount of money to come to Islamabad for the interview. For the US and other western countries an acceptance of visa applications does not mean that visas will surely be granted. For example, the US embassy after accepting an application gives a receipt to the applicant that clearly mentions that it can take several months to issue a visa and the embassy has the right to deny a visa even then if it is not satisfied with the applicant.

Another very important factor that makes travelling from Pakistan to Western countries cumbersome is the suspension of operations of all Western airlines from Pakistan after 9/11. There are hardly any direct flights from Pakistan to Western countries and Pakistanis have to travel on Middle Eastern countries which further adds to the cost of travel. For example it costs only Indian Rs 32,000 to 35,000 (around Pakistani Rs 60,000) to get a return air ticket to any European country from India. While these countries’ air ticket from Pakistan is not less than Rs 80,000 to 90,000.

Then there are several countries like Mexico which do not have their embassies in Pakistan and people have to travel to India or some other country to get a visa.

Different countries have introduced specific restrictions for Pakistanis who want to travel. India, has always been considered the most problematic country for Pakistanis to travel to and vice versa because of required documentation and security approvals, but even a country like Indonesia has made it essential for applicants to show a personal guarantor from Indonesia who needs to explain concerned authorities in Indonesia why he/she may be inviting a Pakistani to Indonesia. Cambodia also requires a personal guarantor for visiting Pakistanis.

Dubai fines a travel agent Rs 180,000 if a tourist overstays or slips.

Rumana Hussain , a regular international traveller and travel writer agrees that the situation has become tougher for Pakistani tourists to go abroad. “It depends on where one wants to go. For example India is our neighbour and the cheapest country to travel to but it is the most difficult country to get into. The situation is also different for people belonging to different age groups. Young people have been facing the worst situation. It is also true that visa processing for Pakistanis has become more complex and time consuming but better planning can help to overcome this issue. People should apply two-three months in advance and should fill the online application forms with full concentration. I think it would help those getting visas in time and less grilling at airports.”[/QUOTE]

if regardless of the humiliation and mockery we Pakistanis continue to go abroad just to get our genitals screened at the airports then this nation has come to the lowest level of self respect and self honor, why should we go abroad and serve the host country and benefit it and in return get nothing but hatred and suspicion, this is an outrage and in place of this if all our brothers and sisters abroad come home and i am sure most are highly qualified and serve our own country and benefit it and as far as tourism is concerned the brothers who go abroad by paying hefty amounts of money and resources just dont know the goldmine they have at home in terms of natural beauty all around the country, for hiking trips, mounteering, rock climbing white water rafting etc we have my native Pukhtunkhwa, for the more rugged adventurer we have the beauty of Balochistan and its peaks and valleys, for sea based adventures we have the sea shore which is still wild and unaffected in more than some parts, for the more urban tourism we have the cities of Lahore and Karachi and the list goes on, my dive to my brothers is to have some gairat and explore and serve their own nation instead of bending over to some foreigner...Pakistan Zindabad

pride Daughter of the North West Malalai has proved that she is worthy of the name
*
Restriction on recreation
Travelling abroad on a Pakistani passport is becoming tougher by the day
By Aoun Sahi

Abid Hussain belongs to a well-established trader family of Islamabad and resides in E-11 Sector. He along with seven of his friends planned to go to Malaysia in March this year on a vacation. They contacted a tour operator who managed to get their visas after some hassle in two weeks. The group of friends left for Malaysia early April this year.

“We planned to go to Malaysia because it was out of question to get visas to some European countries. We were very happy and kept on planning how to spend our time there in Malaysia and joked around during the flight. But all our excitement vanished once we landed at the Kuala Lumpur airport,” says Abid Hussain.

The Malaysian authorities questioned them for two hours. They finally allowed only three of them to enter while ordered the other five to be deported from the airport.

In fact, “They sent back several Pakistanis travelling on that flight,” says Hussain. “They told us that majority of Pakistanis who come to Malaysia on tourist visas slip into their country and become illegal immigrants. So, they don’t allow people on tourist visas until they are not 100 per cent sure that the visitor is a genuine tourist.”

Travelling abroad on a Pakistani passport has become tougher in the last two decades.

The situation is not only affecting those who want to visit other countries for economic reasons, but also those who want to travel for recreational purposes especially in summer vacations.

It is not only the war on terror and the track record of Pakistanis in many terrorism activities abroad that alone is responsible for this.

“To get a tourist visa of any country has become difficult for Pakistanis because an overwhelming majority of Pakistanis slip into not only western countries, but also into countries like Malaysia and Dubai,” says Ali ****, who is a business partner in one of the country’s largest travel agency. “They also use forged or fake documents like bank statements and police reports to apply for tourist visas. It does not only create problem for genuine tourists but also tour operators. We have to pay fines of some kind to get our licenses restored because of these people. Lately, we have been facing severe issues with the Malaysian visas. Most of the time people succeed in getting visas but it has become difficult for them to convince the immigration authorities in Malaysia. I think almost 60 per cent people travelling on the green passport who have genuine tourist visas are being denied entry into Malaysia.”

Ali **** says the US, the UK and the European countries are particularly careful while granting visas — “These days the US and European countries are rejecting visas to more than 5 per cent of applicants, and the visa processing procedure usually takes months.”

Dr Abid Qaiyum Suleri, an NGO head based in Islamabad, who travels frequently to different parts of the world for work, says that getting visas in Pakistan is like getting loans from banks. “Those who need it are hardly able to get it as the process has become so complicated over the years.”

A tour operator and travel agent based in Faisalabad who has been in the business since the mid-1990s tells TNS that things have changed drastically for the Pakistanis trying to travel abroad for all purposes. “Everyone, from businessmen to tourists to students to job-seekers to pilgrims, has been affected. Tourists are among the most hit. They spend money to go somewhere to relax but it has become so hectic to get a visa in the first place and then the kind of grilling Pakistanis go through at entry points almost everywhere in the world has made it very tough.”

Syed Wahad Raza whose company arranges tours in the Middle East, tells TNS that his company did not receive a single application for a tourist visa this year, while when the company started, five years ago, the company started getting applications from April. Another reason is also that the expenses—airfare and hotel rates — have doubled during the last five years.

According to Raza, “In those days most of the countries, except Gulf states, used to stamp passports on arrival. Now there are less than 20 countries (mainly African countries and some SAARC countries) in the world that grant Pakistanis visas on arrival.”

Several Western countries’ embassies in Pakistan have scaled down their presence in Pakistan and some have scrapped their visa councillor offices altogether. The embassies now do not allow applicants to come straight to them to file the application. They ask the applicants to file applications along with pile of documents like bank accounts, property ownership details, return tickets, hotel booking confirmation receipts, proof of travel and health insurance, medical test reports and police reports through a courier service provider.

In many cases applicants are needed to fill online application forms as well.

Western countries have not only increased their visas fees manifold but have increased the processing time as well and applicants are asked not to bother calling the embassy to check the status of an application.

At present, the tourist visa fee for the US is Rs14,400 plus Rs1,500 courier charges and UK visit visa fee valid for six months is Rs9,750 (inclusive of FedEx charges) plus Rs200 bank charges. Visa fees are non-refundable while one also spends a good amount of money to come to Islamabad for the interview. For the US and other western countries an acceptance of visa applications does not mean that visas will surely be granted. For example, the US embassy after accepting an application gives a receipt to the applicant that clearly mentions that it can take several months to issue a visa and the embassy has the right to deny a visa even then if it is not satisfied with the applicant.

Another very important factor that makes travelling from Pakistan to Western countries cumbersome is the suspension of operations of all Western airlines from Pakistan after 9/11. There are hardly any direct flights from Pakistan to Western countries and Pakistanis have to travel on Middle Eastern countries which further adds to the cost of travel. For example it costs only Indian Rs 32,000 to 35,000 (around Pakistani Rs 60,000) to get a return air ticket to any European country from India. While these countries’ air ticket from Pakistan is not less than Rs 80,000 to 90,000.

Then there are several countries like Mexico which do not have their embassies in Pakistan and people have to travel to India or some other country to get a visa.

Different countries have introduced specific restrictions for Pakistanis who want to travel. India, has always been considered the most problematic country for Pakistanis to travel to and vice versa because of required documentation and security approvals, but even a country like Indonesia has made it essential for applicants to show a personal guarantor from Indonesia who needs to explain concerned authorities in Indonesia why he/she may be inviting a Pakistani to Indonesia. Cambodia also requires a personal guarantor for visiting Pakistanis.

Dubai fines a travel agent Rs 180,000 if a tourist overstays or slips.

Rumana Hussain , a regular international traveller and travel writer agrees that the situation has become tougher for Pakistani tourists to go abroad. “It depends on where one wants to go. For example India is our neighbour and the cheapest country to travel to but it is the most difficult country to get into. The situation is also different for people belonging to different age groups. Young people have been facing the worst situation. It is also true that visa processing for Pakistanis has become more complex and time consuming but better planning can help to overcome this issue. People should apply two-three months in advance and should fill the online application forms with full concentration. I think it would help those getting visas in time and less grilling at airports.”

if regardless of the humiliation and mockery we Pakistanis continue to go abroad just to get our genitals screened at the airports then this nation has come to the lowest level of self respect and self honor, why should we go abroad and serve the host country and benefit it and in return get nothing but hatred and suspicion, this is an outrage and in place of this if all our brothers and sisters abroad come home and i am sure most are highly qualified and serve our own country and benefit it and as far as tourism is concerned the brothers who go abroad by paying hefty amounts of money and resources just dont know the goldmine they have at home in terms of natural beauty all around the country, for hiking trips, mounteering, rock climbing white water rafting etc we have my native Pukhtunkhwa, for the more rugged adventurer we have the beauty of Balochistan and its peaks and valleys, for sea based adventures we have the sea shore which is still wild and unaffected in more than some parts, for the more urban tourism we have the cities of Lahore and Karachi and the list goes on, my dive to my brothers is to have some gairat and explore and serve their own nation instead of bending over to some foreigner...Pakistan Zindabad

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...sport-becoming-tougher-day.html#ixzz1xYz0dToN
 
ironic how khan is associated with terrorism while not a single major terrorist had that name
 
Bottom line, if you're muslim, then travelling abroad is a difficulty. If you're from a country tied with terrorist related incidents on a daily basis like Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq etc. then this only compounds that fact.

When crazed individuals who try to blow up planes via their shoes, underpants, printer cartridges and liquids happen to be muslim, then suspicion of muslims looking to fly only increases.

The checks and delays aren't nice, having your visa request rejected unfortunate, but this is the world we live in now.
 
OIC and Ummah are not following the universal doctrine of live and let live type...
Senior osama and other ulama said that this earth belongs to alah and no one else....
Hence the problems on its universal magnitude...
Because it seems that they are brainwashed on dogmatic theme sans prudence...
I usually don't say this kind of a thing, put please, do go to school and learn spelling and grammar so we could at least somewhat see what you're saying. You do look like a bot, are you one?

By 'senior' Osama do you mean 'the late' Osama?
"...osama and other ulama..." ! Mr. OBL was an aalim/scholar of engineering apparently, not of The Way.
This world and all others do belong to God, as do we. However He's given us the choice to recognize Him the Lord, King and God. Which means everybody can live together with what you called "live and let live".

It's not just Pakistanis. A Muslim name raises alarm bells especially in Western countries. This sucks! :tdown:
"My name is Khan...and I'm not a terrorist!"

Khan is a Chinese/Mongol/Turkic name. Nothing to do with being Muslim.
 
OIC and Ummah are not following the universal doctrine of live and let live type...
Senior osama and other ulama said that this earth belongs to alah and no one else....
Hence the problems on its universal magnitude...
Because it seems that they are brainwashed on dogmatic theme sans prudence...
I have no idea what you mean, or what this has to do with the topic. Please clarify (if you can), and try to make it easy for us to understand.

Talking in riddles doesn't make things easier to digest.
 
Well my case is made just made a bit easier, partly because I have a resident visa of UAE, so less bad eyes on me.

Although the US does no compromises on any Asian, African or anybody, they even have agents in most international airports right beside the us flight check in, and a separate area for US bound flights.

The air travel checks have just gotten more stricter in general, then the gift of terrorism is also a bane.
 
Id like to visit indian punjab n goa some day.... but as i belong to a military background i think it wouldnt be possible?
 
Id like to visit indian punjab n goa some day.... but as i belong to a military background i think it wouldnt be possible?
I'd say that this would be nigh impossible.

When I travelled to India (Goa as well), I went through a crazy amount of checks and questioning. Why? Because I said on the visa form that my parents were born in Pakistan. That triggers everything.

In short, 3 seperate trips to the Indian High Commission here in London. Work pay slips had to be provided. That wasn't enough, then a letter of employment.

And this was all in 2007, pre-26/11.

Given you're a military man, and we're in the post-26/11 world, I can only wish you luck!
 
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