Top Secret: ‘Project Varsha’ is India’s answer to Chinese presence in Gwada

[SQ8]

Frankly, I don't think China will be able to build a full fledged naval base in Pakistan for some time. Not as long as the USA has leverage over Pakistan. Pak cannot afford to take such a big step against American interests. In principle it should be Pakistan's choice to make, but then we know that in practice the US has a big grip on Pakistan.

Au Contrare, It's not a big grip as such at all. It's the state trying to milk the US for all it can while they do the same while keeping their respective interests. The Big Grip comes on when there are single individuals who can be threatened( mildly put statements like you will no longer be required.. as in you will be either deposed or killed off conveniently)

 

[Vinod2070]

Nope, That's quite true.
We have no qualms about where the Chinese dock or base themselves.
The only worry we have is for their security, so Karachi Port may be too dangerous but they are welcome to Port Qasim or any other place they wish.

It's so touching, your selfless devotion.

A bit one sided though. They have a "negative perception" of Muslims and Pakistan.

Negative views of Muslims were also strong in several Asian countries: Half or more of the Japanese, Indians, Chinese and South Koreans surveyed said they had negative impressions of Muslims.

Anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim attitudes rise in Europe - The New York Times

Both the Chinese and Japanese express generally unfavorable views of Pakistan, while the Chinese tend to feel negatively toward India as well.

Publics of Asian Powers Hold Negative Views of One Another | Pew Global Attitudes Project

This video also tells of this one sided affair. Watch from 40:10.

From the looks of it, you are selling yourself way too cheap.

All because you can't do the one right thing.

 

[SQ8]

It's so touching, your selfless devotion.

A bit one sided though. They have a "negative perception" of Muslims and Pakistan.

You want to back that up? Statistics? etc
Chinese here?

The devotion is very selfish actually. Keeping China involved here gives your country headaches.
After all, the whining that's been coming in about the Chinese troops in Kashmir is proof of that.

 

[Vinod2070]

You want to back that up? Statistics? etc
Chinese here?

Its all there in the links in the post.

The devotion is very selfish actually. Keeping China involved here gives your country headaches.

But of course it is selfish.

That is where this bit came in:

All because you can't do the one right thing.

It is like cutting the nose to spite the face. You are not really gaining anything if you think about it.

After all, the whining that's been coming in about the Chinese troops in Kashmir is proof of that.

So some "whining" justifies it all?

Trading something tangible for this?

 

[janon]

The devotion is very selfish actually. Keeping China involved here gives your country headaches.
After all, the whining that's been coming in about the Chinese troops in Kashmir is proof of that.

Yes, true. Purely for selfish reasons, Pakistan ought to invite China to build a big naval base in Pakistan. From a selfish Pakistani POV, that makes eminent sense, because while China will pay for the construction and upkeep of the base, India will be forced to spend a helluva lot on countering it, whether through naval expansion or other means. Its a win-win for Pakistan - force India to spend more, without itself spending a penny. Heck, they could even earn some cash as royalty from China.

However, I doubt that such a plan will ever go through. Other than the American factor I mentioned earlier, China and India themselves have friendly relations that they wouldn't want to jeopardize through such a move. Not to mention the local opposition they would face within Pakistan. Well I don't know people's mindset in various parts of Pakistan, but would locals be OK with such a move? Would it be viewed as a breach of sovereignty? I know that a foreign military base in India would be unthinkable politically - Bengalis went on strike and paralysed the state when the USAF conducted a joint exercise in Kalaikunda AFB, citing threats to sovereignty of the Indian skies.

If they do build a naval base, it will have to be large enough to project enough power to make it worthwhile. A base that can house 30 warships or a few nuclear submarines. Otherwise, from a Chinese POV, there is no point in building a base that can house a few frigates and nothing more. It wont be worth the loss of good relations with India that China will have to face, and the increased suspicion that USA and NATO will view China with.

 

[AUz]

Do you have to bring religion into everything? Can you for a moment look at the world without the lens of religion?

Whether those nations are Islamic or Buddhist has ZERO relevance for India. We do not form our friends or enemies or interests on the basis of religion. And by the way, India has more muslims than ALL THOSE Islamic nations PUT TOGETHER. (Assuming you didn't lump Pakistan into the club of Islamic nations that control sea lanes - because Pakistan navy can barely defend its own coast, forget sea lanes.)

Its so sad (and funny at the same time) that there are some people who can only think about history, geopolitics, economics, trade or anything else from the point of view of their religion, and not from humanity's point of view.

Get this into your head - whether the people near shipping lanes are Islamic or hindus or Buddhists has NO bearing on India. It's not like there will be a special, magic, protective Islamic force field there to give an advantage to muslim ships (whatever that may be). And its not like Indian ships depend on any special "hindu energy" or "Sikh force" to pass through those parts.

You are dumb.

I didn't bring religion... The main point was something else...

The most important sea lanes for China is Middle-Eastern oil supply-lines (Which I called Islamic Nations..forgive me!)..and with Gwadar, Chinese will directly get access to these lanes and bypass india..hence indians will have no leverage/advantage over China in indian ocean..

In order to block/disrupt Chinese oil, indian navy will have to face Pakistani Navy, Saudi Navy, Iranian Navy etc...AND Chinese Navy too (When, not if, China builds a naval base in Gwadar)...So from strategic point of view..Gwadar is check-mate for india..indians can't do anything to counter Gwadar...simple as that...

 

[Icewolf]

Indian media is now just making $hit up to make India look strong infont of China... Especially now that China's military budget is more than India's entire budget, and Chabahar port has failed in controlling strategic points. Reason? Arab countries hate Iran. Also, with the amount of influence Pak. has in OIC, Pakistan can do anything around the Persian Gulf, of course with Arab country permission.

Also, it's a nightmare for India if Chabahar port gets surrounded by PAF and PN in time of war... Lol.

 

[Sashan]

Indian media is now just making $hit up to make India look strong infont of China... Especially now that China's military budget is more than India's entire budget, and Chabahar port has failed in controlling strategic points. Reason? Arab countries hate Iran. Also, with the amount of influence Pak. has in OIC, Pakistan can do anything around the Persian Gulf, of course with Arab country permission.

Also, it's a nightmare for India if Chabahar port gets surrounded by PAF and PN in time of war... Lol.

Dude - You got me cracking

 

[Nisha]

Top secret my A$$! When the hell will indians learn strategic sense and understand te meaning of secret?

 

[abhinavdutta]

All you dumbnuts forget that the media's sources all this from someone in the navy. So all the pictures you guys are posting are actually pictures beeing put out there to mislead and keep the secrecy going. My source ia a vice admiral in the navy and a family friend. They say some fodder has to be thrown to the media to keep them occupied. Such info is indirectly leaked throught third party people to mislead the media.

Beside the 5th fleet of the USN is exclusively designated to be patrol that small area brodering the gulf. So gwadr port will never realise its full potential as long as the USN is in the area.


This agressive and rapid expantion of the PLAN is only painting a target on China's back as far as the NATO and USA are concerned. Further more I don't see why pakistan has to selll itself to china buy letting them set up a base in the first place. We have never offered our ports as a base to anyone. Nor does a country like russia or the usa or even china for that matter.

If a single picture of INS Arihant is all that's available to us online don't you think they cab keep a nuclear ballistic missile submarrine base's location a secret? Especially when it will be handling nuclear warheads and have two or three nuclear reactors running at all times.

And yes karwar is a direct response to the gwadar port activities. China can get all the assets they have here but their sole aircraft carrier will be operating in the south china sea. And its highly likely that indian navy will dedicate a nuclear submarine to patrol and detect that area if the activity is more than it should be.

Pakistan needs to stop jumping on china's prowness and might and think about pulling itself up.

 

[Brahmos_2]

TOP SECRET............IS ON TOP OF HEADLINES ON PDF.DON'T TELL IT TO ANYONE.......

The word 'top secret' is having different meaning in India....

 

[Dandpatta]

Can I have a pot cigarrette now?

 

[Black Eagle 90]

Very soon the Gwadar Port will be again in Pakistan hands as Pakistan will going to develop Gwadar Port Authority...

 

[Hulk]

India Top secrets are open found on PDF, so much for being secret. Anyways, looks like reporter who exaggerated it.