‘Too upset and angry’: Muslim teen barred from top London school for wearing veil quits

[Hulk]

Who is stopping you? For god sake dont paint everything with the same brush!

You are getting me wrong. I see people push these restrictions on their sisters and mothers by blackmail and other ways. Its not that people accept it without any instruction ever given. It is forced on them. ISIS is just proof of force used.

In the name of religion all these medieval practices are forced.

 

[Dubious]

More of yes. Tendency towards promiscuity if the woman wears it too much.

@flamer84 @Busa- 13

 

[vK_man]

wow...narrow mindedness is really preached in India isnt it...

So far everyone equates it to Wahabi or ISIL or anjem Ch....seriously you people need to get it in your thick skulls that some DO choose this life style and you people stopping them is the same as those you preach about who are forcing others coz YOU are ALSO forcing others to stop....different face of the same coin, eh?

Actions are louder than words. Islam is synonymous with terrorism,civil wars,forced conversions,rape of minorities,genocide etc these days. The actions of Al qaeda,ISIS ,FSA ,Taliban,Mujahideen,Laskhar-e-toiba,Darul-e-deoband,wahabbis speak volumes.

Hence the reduced tolerance towards to wahabbi/extreme fundamentalist islamic tendencies.

 

[Dubious]

I see people push these restrictions on their sisters and mothers by blackmail and other ways.

Yes some do

But by saying everyone was forced is also wrong!

Its not that people accept it without any instruction ever given. It is forced on them.

You would be surprised the number of converts who use the face veil...It is never forced on the educated lot...Usually forced on those who live in a certain community yes I agree but claiming its forced on everyone is very ignorant!

ISIS is just proof of force used.

ISIL is prove of alot of crap....
You can look it up here
U.S., World Muslim Leaders' Open Letter Refutes ISIS's Ideology, Urges Supporters to 'Repent,' 'Retu

In the name of religion all these medieval practices are forced.

Now that is plain rude and offensive just coz you dont agree....

 

[VCheng]

What I am not sure is how does a face veil not allow teacher- student interactions....even shy kids cant have proper teacher.student interactions, what are they gonna do about that? Ban the child for not being vocal?

That is for the teacher to determine, and for the school to formulate its policies. Many teachers would find it an impediment to effective teaching if they are not able to observe facial expressions of their students in the classroom.

 

[Dubious]

Actions are louder than words. Islam is synonymous with terrorism,civil wars,forced conversions,rape of minorities,genocide etc these days.

I live in Europe so far not a single soul has said any such thing...I travel alot and yet I have not encountered such crap...Why? Maybe I dont go seeking it nor do I go in such circles and so far on PDF I have frequently seen Indians spread such crap....esp those who have not seen a different society than their own...

Another thing I would like to add is :

“when a lie is repeated enough it becomes the truth!”

― Eric Jerome Dickey, Dying for Revenge

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

The actions of Al qaeda,ISIS ,FSA ,Taliban,Mujahideen,Laskhar-e-toiba,Darul-e-deoband,wahabbis speak volumes.

Hence the reduced tolerance towards to wahabbi/extreme fundamentalist islamic tendencies.

Wow....yea sure it speaks volumes to those who want to hear it...and ignore the opposite like how everyone has efficiently ignored this piece of news :

U.S., World Muslim Leaders' Open Letter Refutes ISIS's Ideology, Urges Supporters to 'Repent,' 'Retu


but proudly propagated everyother piece which highlights the opposite!

Hiding behind others action to justify yor own is usually a sign of a coward or a intellectually weak person bro.

Hiding? So you are being coward or do you not have a daughter or sister or niece at home to try the experiment on?

These questions are just your way of hiding your inability to make a sound logical argument to support your statement regarding short clothes.
I think I got what I was looking for, move on now.

Wow lovely isnt it when one is incapable of a further discussion they satisfy themselves with what they want to hear....

 

[Hulk]

Yes some do

But by saying everyone was forced is also wrong!



You would be surprised the number of converts who use the face veil...It is never forced on the educated lot...Usually forced on those who live in a certain community yes I agree but claiming its forced on everyone is very ignorant!


ISIL is prove of alot of crap....
You can look it up here
U.S., World Muslim Leaders' Open Letter Refutes ISIS's Ideology, Urges Supporters to 'Repent,' 'Retu

Now that is plain rude and offensive just coz you dont agree....

About how many of them are forced. I said, force is done different ways. If you make someone do something fooling him thinking that is what god really wants that also not something that is either practiced by religion or something god wants. These are done by people who have nothing to do with religion, just they call themselves as expert.

I am entitled to my opinion, I have same opinion about similar practices in other religion including mine. I believe that religion as practiced today does not reflect what god wants. Its humans who had put their own understanding into religion. So I am not opposing God or religion as they started, but opposing what others are interpreting it.

As I understand some of these practices are not really listed in religion but forced by their men on women.

I have seen many examples of people totally distorting the person's view whom they are suppose to be following.
Like God when living said do not do this and when he is nomore the people who become contractors of religion push because they think it should be done. God is not present to deny their claim.

It will take neutral thinking to understand it. If you think I am attacking a religion you will not get it.

 

[Dubious]

That is for the teacher to determine, and for the school to formulate its policies. Many teachers would find it an impediment to effective teaching if they are not able to observe facial expressions of their students in the classroom.

That may be true....but what kind of facial expressions are they expecting to see? and also how is it other schools are functional with niqab students just some seem to make a bigger fuss than others? she changed schools and said that school has other niqabi in too...

 

[Donatello]

I cannot believe that people with mentality of medieval age exist who believe that faces should be covered etc.. I am saying this irrespective of faith.

Me neither, just like people believe in the age old practice of classifying their society into and upper class and lower class castes. Like Brahmins and Dalits. And then Dalits get raped.

 

[VCheng]

That may be true....but what kind of facial expressions are they expecting to see? and also how is it other schools are functional with niqab students just some seem to make a bigger fuss than others? she changed schools and said that school has other niqabi in too...

It all depends on the type of school and its curriculum. This particular school was obviously not a good fit for the student, but it was the right of the school to make its policies to be applied equally to all students, and it was the right of the student to accept them or leave.

 

[vK_man]

I live in Europe so far not a single soul has said any such thing...I travel alot and yet I have not encountered such crap...Why? Maybe I dont go seeking it nor do I go in such circles and so far on PDF I have frequently seen Indians spread such crap....esp those who have not seen a different society than their own...

Another thing I would like to add is :

“when a lie is repeated enough it becomes the truth!”

― Eric Jerome Dickey, Dying for Revenge

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


Wow....yea sure it speaks volumes to those who want to hear it...and ignore the opposite like how everyone has efficiently ignored this piece of news :

U.S., World Muslim Leaders' Open Letter Refutes ISIS's Ideology, Urges Supporters to 'Repent,' 'Retu


but proudly propagated everyother piece which highlights the opposite!

Hiding? So you are being coward or do you not have a daughter or sister or niece at home to try the experiment on?



Wow lovely isnt it when one is incapable of a further discussion they satisfy themselves with what they want to hear....

Lol. Not heard.crap. Yet maximum terrorism by islamic terrorists since decades.

As for that letter, its damage control.

 

[Dubious]

About how many of them are forced. I said, force is done different ways. If you make someone do something fooling him thinking that is what god really wants that also not something that is either practiced by religion or something god wants. These are done by people who have nothing to do with religion, just they call themselves as expert.

That maybe true....but are you an expert to deduce that? Can you bring me proof that it is not something god wants? coz I can go to a website and pick quotes to counter those ....

Assumptions dont mean a thing to me....I would never paint EVERYONE with the same "assumption"

I am entitled to my opinion, I have same opinion about similar practices in other religion including mine. I believe that religion as practiced today does not reflect what god wants. Its humans who had put their own understanding into religion. So I am not opposing God or religion as they started, but opposing what others are interpreting it.

That is fine...
I can give you both arguments for and countering this particular practice..and in the end it is based on what the person prefers...

As I understand some of these practices are not really listed in religion but forced by their men on women.

Not really....it is listed in Hadith....but I do agree it is not a fundamental part of faith it is a part which is a choice to be better and also because a girl literally has to swallow her pride to cover her beauty (it is nature of women to want to be appreciated) hence it is sort of a humility exercise or also can be considered a challenge to humble one's self...

I do agree those who force it on women should get their mentality checked and also their hormone levels...just coz they cant control themselves gives them no rights to impose something on women to help stop the over production of THEIR hormones...

I have seen many examples of people totally distorting the person's view whom they are suppose to be following.
Like God when living said do not do this and when he is nomore the people who become contractors of religion push because they think it should be done. God is not present to deny their claim.

Like I said that may be true and I gave both POV

 

[vK_man]

Daft and dangerous: Muslim scholar's plan for a militia to fight global jihad

So much for muslim scholars being against isis .Many of them support these thugs.

 

[Dubious]

It all depends on the type of school and its curriculum. This particular school was obviously not a good fit for the student, but it was the right of the school to make its policies to be applied equally to all students, and it was the right of the student to accept them or leave.

Then the school should also consider the students who wear inappropriate clothes....as that may also alter the attention of male teachers...

 

[shaheenmissile]

Google Nahid Almania was a victim of secular terrorists. See extremism even secularism is bad.