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Pakistan approves Gwadar port transfer to China

A milestone has been reached between our two nations, China and Pakistan against Scatland, Western racism and bullying.
Really? Stop living in cuckoo land! Read between the lines, chum! China has already positioned itself comfortably in Pak Administered Kashmir where it has deployed 11,000 PLA troops (excluding engineers, technicians and Chinese labour for construction activities). This area will soon become another autonomous region of China (like the Tibetan Autonomous Region) in the not too distant future.

Would Balochistan, where Gwadar is situated, be far behind? The influence of the Hans seems to be spreading across Pakistan slowly but steadily!

Beware the ides of March! The Han Dynasty is a comin'!!
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Really? Stop living in cuckoo land! Read between the lines, chum! China has already positioned itself comfortably in Pak Administered Kashmir where it has deployed 11,000 PLA troops (excluding engineers, technicians and Chinese labour for construction activities). This area will soon become another autonomous region of China (like the Tibetan Autonomous Region) in the not too distant future.

Would Balochistan, where Gwadar is situated, be far behind? The influence of the Hans seems to be spreading across Pakistan slowly but steadily!

Beware the ides of March! The Han Dynasty is a comin'!!
Worry.gif

I understand your envy and especially your fustration for not having a direct access to Afghanistan and Central Asia while seeing a good deal gonna happen between Pakistan and China. Because India is left behind and isolated so you continue to bullsh1ting about China and if that can comfort yourself and make you feel better than go ahead...because we understand your sadness.
 
Looks like there is at least some angel in the Pakistani government who listens to what I say. I just wrote it on PDF and it reached the years of the hukmaraan. Sounds like magic. A few days ago I posted this:

The solution: The first thing we must do is reduce our dependence on the US. This is phase 1. 1) Initially we can start by trying to find new markets for our exports because in the event of us quitting their alliance they may increase tarriffs and create hurdles. We currently export about 18% of our goods to US (15.8 billion in 2012)

2) We have lots of defence contracts and a lot of components still have to be delivered. We have to ensure we make no new deals and initiate no new ventures with the US. Perhaps even wait an year for things we bought to be delivered. This field could suffer. Furthermore we have to begin concentrating on China, Russia and ingenious production. India is working on a 5th generation fighter.

Now we move to phase 2 of the solution. 1) Develop contacts with Iran. Now this might not go down well with a lot of people and even I don't like theocracies/mullahcracies. But I can only agree with their foreign policy. I mean what is a nation supposed to do? Even if they are seeking nukes, Iraq tried to build WMD's, US is in 2 neighboring countries (possibly 3 if Shamsi was used to spy on Iran) and is the only state to have used them and Israel has them as well as neighboring Pakistan. The negative point may be we may become too influenced by the system present there. I favor secularism so I am worried about the rights situation.

2) Offer China military bases in Pakistan in return for favoring us in UN and in all foreign policy matters. For example Iran was sanctioned to the teeth-but it could not have happened had the Chinese vetoed it. That veto has a lot of power. China may be a very important member and we must lean on it for our relationship. It is the bulwark of this idea. I would not have presented it even if China hadn't been an ally.

Optional: 3) I say optional because it will not go down well. Adopt secularism. Western nations sympathize with other secular states but I know the minds of my people still equate secularism with anti-Islamism which isn't true. In any case if it can't be done give people dignity, rights, freedom, justice and stop wrong and injustices whereever we see them. Most importantly deal with terrorism which should become easier after this since TTP will lose its backing since we are no more officially in the WOT.

Phase 3: 1) Become more assertive and defend national interest. This comes with being free of the US yoke. Demand things from the US we should be given. Recompensation for losses in war on terror. Aafia Siddiqui case. Everything. Present in the media how US has misused us. A knowledgable person can destroy the US narrative in moments. We suffered more in terrorism than we received aid so the narrative we are earning something is false and broken but not a single Pakistani challenges it. It is time to stand on our own feet. This should be the last phase.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ion-pakistanis-against-usa.html#ixzz2JVImyKQC

This was supposed to be an alternative to our relationship with the US. The exact same plan I proposed (Iran and China were part of it) is being implemented. Finally the government is doing something right-late but at least they are doing it. We all know US will abandon us. They did it in the past when the Soviet Afghan war was over and we had to suffer sanctions and all forms of bullying. It is time to look for new allies unless US completely changes its relationship with us to one of equals from the leader-subject one. May Pakistan thrive and prosper.

You always publish your writings on PDF which is worth reading....Keep it up..
 
Gawadar Port is one of Pakistan’s big asset & a huge source of income for the country. I hope Gawadar port is fully functional soon.

(This comes from my reliable source)It is because of Gawadar port UAE funds terrorism in Balochistan, because of Gawdar port their port will get affected very badly & it is because of this they funds terrorism in Balochistan & they are fully against the development of Gawadar port. They are not alone in this, US & India are also eyeing Gawadar port & we know what they are trying to do in Balochistan province.
 
Really? Stop living in cuckoo land! Read between the lines, chum! China has already positioned itself comfortably in Pak Administered Kashmir where it has deployed 11,000 PLA troops (excluding engineers, technicians and Chinese labour for construction activities). This area will soon become another autonomous region of China (like the Tibetan Autonomous Region) in the not too distant future.

Would Balochistan, where Gwadar is situated, be far behind? The influence of the Hans seems to be spreading across Pakistan slowly but steadily!

Beware the ides of March! The Han Dynasty is a comin'!!
Worry.gif

no sweat don't mind as long as Chinese brings prosperity for the people of Kashmir and Balochistan we alone can't manage our Government sucks.

After all what are friends for? :china: buds for life :pakistan: :smitten:
 
see the Chinese webusers comments after this Chinese news report,they all call Pakistan China's only true friend and N.Korea a trouble maker.many say that is China's future lifeline and China got an important heart bypass surgery.a naval base will surely follow to protect this lifeline.

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the comments are so heart warming it's good to know how people over there feel :smitten:
 
It won't take long once China concentrate on this project, i would expect the project will achieve a great speed since China need to complete this project as soon as possible, time is money, the faster it finish the faster we can transport resource back to Kashgar and the faster Pakistan can make money on transit fee and economy exchange.

I always dream that the silk road from East Asia to Middle east will re-established again like the old time instead of Persia this time we will reach middle east and Pakistan just fall right in between Middle East and China and server as junction and hub. Too bad the ancient partner such India is decided to navigate alone in ocean instead of being partner to this silkroad.

Nothing bad, none of us Indians ever want our economic interest living on Pakistan's mercy and we are doing quite well without having any transit. Our major stakes are in Chabahar and North South corridor in Iran.

What if they do, what do you intend to do about it?.

Let me rephrase that, what possibly can you do against China?.

Making alliance with China's rivals. We already have oil blocks given by Vietnam in South China Sea, the area claimed by China.
 
the comments are so heart warming it's good to know how people over there feel :smitten:

Great amount of gratitude has been poured in since this morning and still coming,Chinese people are extremely grateful for this generosity given by Pakistan.

渊博春雷[辽宁大连]
对中国有实质利好的国家才是真实的朋友,像这样的国家有困难中国也该实质性的给与支持,中国建国到现在支援了很多白眼狼国家,在中国最困难的时候把大量的物质送个他们反过来把他们喂饱了在反对你,真正的朋友是你需要他的时候他会伸出手来帮助你像这样的朋友我们要珍惜。
今天12:06 支持(92)

国的情谊很好,非常的信任中国人民。中巴友谊万岁

老孙家的小女儿
巴基斯坦这个国家,和中国的情谊很好,非常的信任中国人民。中巴友谊万岁
今天10:42 支持(66)

谈笑风生看人间[山东济南]
所以如果是在国内碰到巴基斯坦的兄弟,大家多照顾哈
今天11:20 支持(47)

jimzte[广东深圳]
巴铁,真不错,
今天11:52 支持(23)

Shawn_Cui
这位置太牛逼了..

手机用户3149934544[云南昆明]
即便想想都是好的!巴基斯坦好样的,够哥们!咱哥们扭成一条绳就是优势!

手机用户[广东广州]
巴铁够义气

2012王飞
不看不知道,这里的位置太重要了

介个小样
巴基斯坦是中国最坚实的盟友。

手机用户[河南郑州]
巴铁真是铁的盟友。原巴国家繁荣昌盛,人民安居乐业,中巴友谊万年常青!

Kevinnnnwuu
好兄弟

手机用户[广东湛江]
巴基斯坦,真好。

手机用户[海南海口]
全世界真心对我们中国的或许也只有巴基斯坦这位兄弟了

手机用户[江苏无锡]
巴基斯坦是中国值得信任的朋友,支持支持!

黄山松[安徽黄山]
巴基斯坦是好兄弟、好伙伴、好朋友、好邻居!我一直都说巴国的好话,发自内心的……祝愿巴基斯坦人民明天更美好。

手机用户[湖北武汉]
和我想的一样,只有巴铁才是真朋友,真兄弟,走什么缅甸。

手机用户[广东广州]
应该大力援助巴发展经济,售巴更先进的进攻性战术性武器,以对抗阿三。

谢天谢地谢昕浩
好盟友!

马六甲海峡
好基友,一辈子啊

永远Ewigkeit[天津]
真TM够意思!够哥们!

回家7饭
抱抱 巴铁各种好good

jimzte[广东深圳]
巴铁,真不错,

StrMon
威武 中巴盟国!

红毛蟹[上海]
重大利好消息啊

看球勿语[辽宁大连]
看那图真心澎湃哦。战略能源是一个国家的命脉,这要是假以时日成真的话,印度就得疯。

Michael红魔
巴铁 好兄弟围观威武

大灰狼斯诺诺
这才是好兄弟嘛good 整天搞黑实验的学着点弱

CallMeSYlar
挖鼻屎还是巴铁够兄弟

一飞歼15[福建厦门]
老巴这些年为了支持中国在国际的事务没少受美国的脸色,还一如既往力挺我国,算得上久经考验的真正朋友加兄弟!!!!友谊天长地久!!!!!!!!!


-苏锦添-
中国如果在这个港口修建基地,那么这个世界油阀该谁来把了呢?呵呵

A-TACS
还是巴铁最实在

手机用户[云南昆明]
谢谢巴铁兄弟!

路过你家门前[广东深圳]
这才叫兄弟,尼玛朝鲜 你看看

手浪用户2296649941[浙江嘉兴]
真正的巴铁!

手机用户3123286292[江苏南京]
中巴友谊万岁!

有理说理_行吗[广西梧州]
如此支持中国,不愧是巴铁。

薛恩强-长虹
唯一的铁哥们

梨梨果果[广东广州]
巴铁。地球上中国唯一的铁哥们。

vvun
这是心脏搭桥手术,动脉啊

莫邪路上没有干将
么么哒~我爱你巴铁~

百年东中-涂楠下学期立志当学霸
巴基斯坦果然够兄弟啊,那以后石油运输就不会受人控制咯

金乡黄福成
只说一句,巴铁!

攻的_猫胖子
也只有巴基斯坦是中国唯一一个铁杆盟友了

阳光正好Elite
中巴友谊万年长~到头来还是巴够朋友!

Mia2Mia
到处给钱~但看来还是只有巴基斯坦够义气啊~

人民电器-Kevin
中巴关系世代友好!

小鬼2942844537
巴铁真哥们

ken追忆
看着这幅图才明白,巴基斯坦为啥是中国的铁哥们,战略意义不仅仅是遏制印度呀!太重要啦。给多少好处也不过呀。

青岛日韩物流
重大战略意义!巴基斯坦真够哥们!

上端天高
@Timberwolve 中巴太有爱了

IE-Sunny
这才是铁哥们!

蕴之蝶
全天候友谊嘛,你的就是我的

AC-天若有情
中巴友谊源远流长!

伟大的巨侠
太够意思了,亲兄弟啊!

千年悲歌
好兄弟就是好兄弟!!!这战略位置!!!

Dahokuen[广东广州]
哇塞,太给力了,中国石油的脖子不再被卡住了,,,

阿阿猫懒
果然是好兄弟!这个地方太重要了

山哥SANGER
巴铁够意思!

19楼的老小伙
这个牛啊,够哥们!

bj小舟
坚决捍卫和巴基斯坦兄弟关系

康芭
一看地图才知道,巴基斯坦的战略位置如此重要!

Heroin_Liu
巴铁好兄弟!是否可以在此港驻扎海军呢?

大卫-zjb
太好了。这么重要的战略位置,我们可以大有作为啊。

如花土豆
好兄弟,靠得住~~

嘻嘻7021
中巴友谊长存,巴基斯坦是中国的好基友

独孤楚河
这是我今年看见的最给力的新闻!巴铁仗义!中国战略资源通道!马六甲不再卡中国脖子了!威武威武威武

拥抱幸福666v
巴基斯坦才是中国的真正朋友

美佳康营养俱乐部春雷
巴铁,真正的哥们!赞

早安二少
巴铁好样的..但中国老干对不起巴铁的事情...唉..远近亲疏..一群蠢材..

去您妹的
巴基斯坦够义气!相比看下朝鲜……

我是宋军
巴铁真仗义。。。。。

罗兰贝勒--北大纵横
巴铁兄弟比南边的朋友靠谱得多!

ma2ge
这张图看出巴基斯坦对中国有多么重要的战略意义给力

软弱的帝国
这下中国可以有效的控制马六甲海峡了,巴基斯坦就是仗义。

田力不是怪蜀黍
巴基斯坦真是好兄弟

庸人谢-貮
巴基斯坦才是真兄弟。

Hello荆蛮
巴铁够仗义,多送几艘军舰给他

阳光影子宝贝
中巴真的是最好的兄弟!

玩漂移的小蜗牛
我靠咯。那么好的位置

守望--乡愁
巴基斯坦才是真正的同志加兄弟

YZCJWDDBZ
这是国家的生命线之一啊

航空救国孙中山
我勒个去,这条路线好啊!!!打好大好!不仅要修输油管线,连铁路也一并修了吧。。。。

越狱兔大战葫芦娃
老巴就是仗义!这位置挨着小伊蛮近的~一块干老美啊!

手机用户[陕西西安]
巴铁太给力了,一定要力挺巴铁,我们的国家才能长盛!

LPTS06白鹤舞飞扬
笑哈哈马六甲变成马甲了,看来只有巴基斯坦才是我们的盟友。

禅宗少林1575191896
兄弟啊!干印保巴。

迎风一砖
巴铁!太振奋人心了!中国首个海外军事基地居然在波斯湾附近!这消息属实的话比辽宁舰入役,运20首飞更给国人提气啊!威武威武威武威武威武威武威武给力给力给力给力给力给力

贫农王二小
巴基斯坦真乃铁哥们也~

灵魂驻守
大事,巴铁真是巴铁!

o蛟花生
大清早的要哭有木有!!以后少绕好多路!


CNR李竟成
巴铁果然够意思,重大利好消息。

你为什么不健康
中巴友谊万万岁!

汴人郭威
巴基斯坦是个好地方~好呀~地方~

149g果
我靠!

余戈-腾冲之围
谢谢!铁哥们啊泪

蘇辣么
这真兄弟啊!

o蛟花生
大清早的要哭有木有!!以后少绕好多路!
 
Great amount of gratitude has been poured in since this morning and still coming,Chinese people are extremely grateful for this generosity given by Pakistan.

Hey beijingwalker, what is your views about this article.

Gabe Collins and Andrew Erickson, “Still a Pipedream: A Pakistan-to-China rail corridor is not a substitute for maritime transport ,” China SignPost™ (洞察中国), No. 13 (22 December 2010).

China SignPost™ 洞察中国–“Clear, high-impact China analysis.”©

The recent flurry of trade deals and MOUs (worth US$35 billion) signed during Premier Wen Jiabao’s recent visit to Pakistan have brought the possibility of a more robust Pakistan-to-China transport corridor back into the spotlight. The trade deals stand to drive increased economic activity by Chinese companies in Pakistan in coming years.

However, our assessment is that while the trade and investment agreements may help cement an “all weather” alliance between Beijing and Islamabad, they do not mean that an all weather transport corridor becomes viable. An expanded road and rail network linking Pakistan to China faces three key challenges. The bottom line is that maritime shipping routes will remain a cheaper, simpler, and more secure option for moving crude oil and other goods into China.

1) Security. The proposed transport corridor would go through areas that are subject to flooding and insurgent activity, as well as avalanches, landslides, and seismic activity in the Karakoram Range. If any of these disruptive events materializes, rail and road traffic cannot re-route around the trouble point the way that ships at sea can.

2) Capacity. A modern one-track rail line in the United States can currently handle around 16 trains per day, according to Cambridge Systematics. A Pakistan-to China rail corridor would likely be built with one track each way, but with reduced throughput of around 12 trains per day. U.S. freight trains carried an average of 2,800 tonnes of cargo in 2004, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Trains transiting the Khunjerab Pass would likely carry smaller loads, perhaps 2,000 tonnes, due to the large vertical gradient. With these train frequency and load parameters, the corridor would be able to handle 8.75 million tonnes of cargo per year, or approximately 175,000 barrels of oil per day if all the trains carried oil.

To move the volumes that would be necessary to make this route able to handle enough cargo to reduce sea transport reliance measurably, there would need to be a rail setup with 3 or 4 lines. Furthermore, bringing that much cargo into Western China’s rail network and then having to move it into industrial areas in the central and eastern regions would likely necessitate additional capacity expansions of the national rail system. These investments would likely be cost-prohibitive.

3) High construction and transport costs. The tariffs needed to pay off the finance costs of the route and move freight over a 15,000 foot vertical relief would likely make the cost highly uncompetitive with sea routes. The roughly 2,000 km-long Qingzang railway to Lhasa, Tibet cost roughly US$4 billion to build (US$1.85 million per km). The cost per km to build a rail line connecting Islamabad and Kashgar could be several times more expensive to build given the tough geologic and political circumstances along the route.

In terms of transport costs, we estimate that moving a barrel of oil by sea to Shanghai at a ship rate of US$75,000 per day at 23 km per hour with a 2 million barrel cargo costs around US$0.90 per barrel, while moving it by barge upriver to the rapidly-growing inland demand center of Chongqing would cost an additional US$1.23 per barrel, for a total transport cost of US$2.22 per barrel (Exhibit 1). In contrast, moving oil from Ras al-Tanura to Gwadar and then by rail into the heartland of China would likely cost closer to US$8.00 to US$12.40 per barrel, making that route economically uncompetitive, as well as limited in capacity.[1] The disparity would be slightly greater for major cities on China’s east coast.

Exhibit 1: Estimated costs of moving oil to Chongqing, China from the Persian Gulf by sea and via Pakistan.

China-Pakistan-routes-map_December-2010.png


In short, there are compelling reasons why sea transport has been dominant for so long. To even build a Pakistan-to-China rail corridor would require massive upfront investments, would be economically uncompetitive relative to sea routes, and due to the many physical and political risks along the route, commercial shippers would likely be highly reluctant to use it.

Still a Pipedream: A Pakistan-to-China rail corridor is not a substitute for maritime transport | China SignPost
 
the railway is not only for delivering oil,it can boost China's exports to the middle east and central Asia and also connect Afghanistan.and western"expert" did lot of their assessments about China's ability to get infrastructure projects done,they said we can never build railways in Tibet and we did it in a very short time.China is famous for swiftly and high efficiently to complete engineering miracles.as for simpler or cheaper way of delivery,China may also built a pipeline from the port thru Pakistan to China.
 
Hey beijingwalker, what is your views about this article.

Gabe Collins and Andrew Erickson, “Still a Pipedream: A Pakistan-to-China rail corridor is not a substitute for maritime transport ,” China SignPost™ (洞察中国), No. 13 (22 December 2010).

China SignPost™ 洞察中国–“Clear, high-impact China analysis.”©

The recent flurry of trade deals and MOUs (worth US$35 billion) signed during Premier Wen Jiabao’s recent visit to Pakistan have brought the possibility of a more robust Pakistan-to-China transport corridor back into the spotlight. The trade deals stand to drive increased economic activity by Chinese companies in Pakistan in coming years.

However, our assessment is that while the trade and investment agreements may help cement an “all weather” alliance between Beijing and Islamabad, they do not mean that an all weather transport corridor becomes viable. An expanded road and rail network linking Pakistan to China faces three key challenges. The bottom line is that maritime shipping routes will remain a cheaper, simpler, and more secure option for moving crude oil and other goods into China.

1) Security. The proposed transport corridor would go through areas that are subject to flooding and insurgent activity, as well as avalanches, landslides, and seismic activity in the Karakoram Range. If any of these disruptive events materializes, rail and road traffic cannot re-route around the trouble point the way that ships at sea can.

2) Capacity. A modern one-track rail line in the United States can currently handle around 16 trains per day, according to Cambridge Systematics. A Pakistan-to China rail corridor would likely be built with one track each way, but with reduced throughput of around 12 trains per day. U.S. freight trains carried an average of 2,800 tonnes of cargo in 2004, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Trains transiting the Khunjerab Pass would likely carry smaller loads, perhaps 2,000 tonnes, due to the large vertical gradient. With these train frequency and load parameters, the corridor would be able to handle 8.75 million tonnes of cargo per year, or approximately 175,000 barrels of oil per day if all the trains carried oil.

To move the volumes that would be necessary to make this route able to handle enough cargo to reduce sea transport reliance measurably, there would need to be a rail setup with 3 or 4 lines. Furthermore, bringing that much cargo into Western China’s rail network and then having to move it into industrial areas in the central and eastern regions would likely necessitate additional capacity expansions of the national rail system. These investments would likely be cost-prohibitive.

3) High construction and transport costs. The tariffs needed to pay off the finance costs of the route and move freight over a 15,000 foot vertical relief would likely make the cost highly uncompetitive with sea routes. The roughly 2,000 km-long Qingzang railway to Lhasa, Tibet cost roughly US$4 billion to build (US$1.85 million per km). The cost per km to build a rail line connecting Islamabad and Kashgar could be several times more expensive to build given the tough geologic and political circumstances along the route.

In terms of transport costs, we estimate that moving a barrel of oil by sea to Shanghai at a ship rate of US$75,000 per day at 23 km per hour with a 2 million barrel cargo costs around US$0.90 per barrel, while moving it by barge upriver to the rapidly-growing inland demand center of Chongqing would cost an additional US$1.23 per barrel, for a total transport cost of US$2.22 per barrel (Exhibit 1). In contrast, moving oil from Ras al-Tanura to Gwadar and then by rail into the heartland of China would likely cost closer to US$8.00 to US$12.40 per barrel, making that route economically uncompetitive, as well as limited in capacity.[1] The disparity would be slightly greater for major cities on China’s east coast.

Exhibit 1: Estimated costs of moving oil to Chongqing, China from the Persian Gulf by sea and via Pakistan.

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In short, there are compelling reasons why sea transport has been dominant for so long. To even build a Pakistan-to-China rail corridor would require massive upfront investments, would be economically uncompetitive relative to sea routes, and due to the many physical and political risks along the route, commercial shippers would likely be highly reluctant to use it.

Still a Pipedream: A Pakistan-to-China rail corridor is not a substitute for maritime transport | China SignPost

First its a backup plan and safe route in case of regional tensions and conflicts, the cost maybe on higher side but its fast it will accelerate Chinese economy with benefits estimated to $50-60 Billions. Other countries Russia, CAR's and even A'stan can use this port for business so there is a huge scope of it.

Secondly its a strategic area 47% of world oil transport pass through here including all Indian energy supplies, good place to deploy navy of two brother countries ;)
 

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