Tommorrow Conflicts, the real conflict.

[Stargate]

Interesting!!

 

[gubbi]

There is a very curious thing about the West, when it looks to the world, it does not want to see the world, it wants to see a reflection of itself - if there is success, then it must look like it in the West --- and with China, well, the West does not see itself reflected - it sees another civilization, another history, another peoples, it see a narrative in which the West is not the ideal -- these things scare the West.

I disagree. Theres no other worse misconception than this. There are many countries which are different from what the west generally subscribes. Japan, India, Pakistan, African nations, many South American nations. The problems here is not of identity, but of intentions. China has always supported pariah nations against the west. Be it North Korea, the NVA/Viet Cong, the autocratic genocidal regimes of certain African nations. Along with this is China's rapid militarization with the secretive purpose of countering US/Western military dominance. The scary part is actually the rapid militarization without a clearly defined objective coupled with random vague noises of countering US navy in the Pacific, increasing talk of racial superiority and supporting pariah nations. Now where have we seen this before?

 

[Outman]

The truth is, American values, has so much to offer. But, don't you think it would of been much better, if, there was less use of force?

that's where your problem lies. what you have done is not offering your self-asserted values for others to take freely, you've been on a mission, a soft-core crusade to convert the rest of us when we are still proud of our longlasting traditions and not yet ready to call it quits. therefore conflicts are doomed, and your failure too.
a little bit of advice, next time, overwhelm us with your unmatchable prosperity and indisputible fairness, that is to say, be holy as you claimed, and then we shall bow to you.

 

[Stargate]

"Racial superiority" interesting! Never heard it from them before. Where did you heard that?

 

[untitled]

I disagree. Theres no other worse misconception than this. There are many countries which are different from what the west generally subscribes. Japan, India, Pakistan, African nations, many South American nations. The problems here is not of identity, but of intentions. China has always supported pariah nations against the west. Be it North Korea, the NVA/Viet Cong, the autocratic genocidal regimes of certain African nations. Along with this is China's rapid militarization with the secretive purpose of countering US/Western military dominance. The scary part is actually the rapid militarization without a clearly defined objective coupled with random vague noises of countering US navy in the Pacific, increasing talk of racial superiority and supporting pariah nations. Now where have we seen this before?

The US too has supported autocratic regimes/rebels in Pakistan, Nicaragua, Chile, South Korea, Cuba.... So that argument does not hold.
The west and Japan built colonies on Chinese soil.... Macua, Hong Kong, Manchuria, Nanking.
Why was mainland China sidelined in favor of Taiwan in the UN
Chinese people have for too long been humiliated at the hands of west and Japan. It will be only natural to build a military to counter the west so history is not repeated again.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Now where have we seen this before?

Just another "prediction" of China's doom.

China hasn't had a war with anyone, for over 30 years.

Now tell me, how many wars has your host nation (the USA) started, over the past 10 years alone?

The US too has supported autocratic regimes/rebels in Pakistan, Nicaragua, Chile, South Korea, Cuba.... So that argument does not hold.

Not to mention the Afghan Muhajideen, Saddam Hussein, Pinochet, and dictatorships across the Middle East like Mubarak and Saud.

 

[gubbi]

Just another "prediction" of China's doom.

Seriously CD, do you have comprehension problems? Where did I ever even imply 'doomsday scenario'?

 

[gubbi]

The US too has supported autocratic regimes/rebels in Pakistan, Nicaragua, Chile, South Korea, Cuba.... So that argument does not hold.
The west and Japan built colonies on Chinese soil.... Macua, Hong Kong, Manchuria, Nanking.
Why was mainland China sidelined in favor of Taiwan in the UN
Chinese people have for too long been humiliated at the hands of west and Japan. It will be only natural to build a military to counter the west so history is not repeated again.

You do have a point.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Seriously CD, do you have comprehension problems? Where did I ever even imply 'doomsday scenario'?

Then please elaborate "where we have seen this before":

The scary part is actually the rapid militarization without a clearly defined objective coupled with random vague noises of countering US navy in the Pacific, increasing talk of racial superiority and supporting pariah nations. Now where have we seen this before?

And whether it was successful or it was doomed?

 

[Stargate]

I don't think there is that much difference between you and us. You just not showing it now. Remember Zheng He(鄭&#21644. Tell me why there is that much numbers of Confucius Schools growing so fast worldwide.

 

[Outman]

I disagree. Theres no other worse misconception than this. There are many countries which are different from what the west generally subscribes. Japan, India, Pakistan, African nations, many South American nations. The problems here is not of identity, but of intentions. China has always supported pariah nations against the west. Be it North Korea, the NVA/Viet Cong, the autocratic genocidal regimes of certain African nations. Along with this is China's rapid militarization with the secretive purpose of countering US/Western military dominance. The scary part is actually the rapid militarization without a clearly defined objective coupled with random vague noises of countering US navy in the Pacific, increasing talk of racial superiority and supporting pariah nations. Now where have we seen this before?

so in your view of the world, which countries are the Brahmans, which are the Kshatriyas, and which are the Pariahs? care to explain your international caste system to the rest of us?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You do have a point.

LOL, if you want to see who was "complicit" in China's rise, look no further than the good ol' US of A.

(Who also supported Pakistan if you remember.)

 

[gubbi]

Then please elaborate "where we have seen this before":

And whether it was successful or it was doomed?

What are the present threats to China which would justify its rapid militarization on such a huge scale? What are the real intentions of trying to counter US forces in the Pacific when they are not gearing up to attack China? Why support pariah nations whose intentions are suspect, both in the UN and militarily? Why roll out a red carpet to a convicted murderer, a genocidal head of state of Sudan? Why support Pakistan in its nuclear ambitions when its proliferation record is out there in the open. Why support the Myanmar Junta (actually even India does it)? Why support and protect the NK despots? There are a lot of questions on China's conduct but noone here is talking about a doomsday scenario for China.

 

[gubbi]

so in your view of the world, which countries are the Brahmans, which are the Kshatriyas, and which are the Pariahs? care to explain your international caste system to the rest of us?

Learn English. Use Google to look for information. Baidu is not good enough.

Just FYI: Pariah State/Nation - A pariah state is one whose conduct is considered to be out of line with international norms of behavior. This term is closely related to the term rogue state.

 

[lawxx]

What are the present threats to China which would justify its rapid militarization on such a huge scale? What are the real intentions of trying to counter US forces in the Pacific when they are not gearing up to attack China? Why support pariah nations whose intentions are suspect, both in the UN and militarily? Why roll out a red carpet to a convicted murderer, a genocidal head of state of Sudan? Why support Pakistan in its nuclear ambitions when its proliferation record is out there in the open. Why support the Myanmar Junta (actually even India does it)? Why support and protect the NK despots? There are a lot of questions on China's conduct but noone here is talking about a doomsday scenario for China.

Your country is superior to? Other countries is the pariah state? Keep your sense of superiority, you are nothing, you're a poor ant.