Today suicide attack in Russia related to Saudi Prince Bandar’s alleged threats?

[Luftwaffe]

A thread opened on the basis of assumptions?

KSA is not that fool it knows russia has large stockpile of conventional non conventional weapons and you think bandar would go and Threat russia? Silly people not even US would back saudis for slip of tongue against russians.

Even sounds like some areas of KSA when it comes to diversity of sects. I mean for instance Najran province which more or less have every damn sect Shia (Zaydi, Ismaili, Twelver) Sunni (Hanbali, Shaf'i, Hanafi, Maliki) etc.

So when is KSA implementing call yourselves "Muslims".

 

[Hack-Hook]

صا

You should be the least to bring history, anyway, Speaking of it:

what about this
Battle of Rayy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because of the Safavids attack on Iraq and the massacres on Sunnis within Iran and outside of it. Some of the Safavid rulers were the "Al-Qaeda" of the Middle Ages in terms of their sectarianism and actual crimes. But other than that then I am sure they focused on literature, art, architecture etc. like any other dynasty forgetting most of the population. Same thing everywhere else back then.

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From a nationalist point of view, if you are an Iranian, that does not care about religion and mostly only about your country, then they were obviously not bad.

One can ask themselves though whether those forced and violent conversions from Sunni Islam to Shia Islam have benefited Iran or will do it on the long run.

I would say no.

you guys are not even aware of the fact that it was not Safavid who attacked Ottoman empire but it was ottoman empire who attacked Safavid .and it was not Safavid who killed Sunni people but it was ottomans who payed some shitty clerics to made a decree that Shia's are infidel and must be killed .

and then talk about Safavid !!!!!!!!!!??? it's a little hilarious.

 

[DV RULES]

What so ever Mr. Bander said or not but we know that if world wants to end with terrorism then bring democratic government in KSA. Current Monarchy of KSA just an epic center of this inhuman, barbaric mentality.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

This was a civil conflicts among the Caliphs. You were used as a riding horse, nothing more.

صا

what about this
Battle of Rayy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




you guys are not even aware of the fact that it was not Safavid who attacked Ottoman empire but it was ottoman empire who attacked Safavid .and it was not Safavid who killed Sunni people but it was ottomans who payed some shitty clerics to made a decree that Shia's are infidel and must be killed .

and then talk about Safavid !!!!!!!!!!??? it's a little hilarious.

 

[Hack-Hook]

This was a civil conflicts among the Caliphs. You were used as a riding horse, nothing more.

no, according to the history the khalif to be wanted to escape , we stopped him just to make a point sent an army less than 1/10 of the enemy advancing army and just used 1/5th of that tiny army to crush the mighty army of Abbasid

 

[rmi5]

you guys are not even aware of the fact that it was not Safavid who attacked Ottoman empire but it was ottoman empire who attacked Safavid .and it was not Safavid who killed Sunni people but it was ottomans who payed some shitty clerics to made a decree that Shia's are infidel and must be killed .

and then talk about Safavid !!!!!!!!!!??? it's a little hilarious.

Safavids, especially Shah Ismail, Shah Tahmasb, and Shah Abbas The Great, were very wise political leaders. They had some conflicts with Ottomans as always any other neighbors have tensions between each other. About sects, they did converted many people into shiism, as a very wise political act, which is a well-established fact, and I praise them for uniting country in terms of religion, under one flag
otherwise, currently, Iran would be f***ed up now like Syria, lebanon, Iraq and some of our eastern neighbors in terms of religious tensions.

 

[Cheetah786]

Mr Rafay continues to abuse his power by giving negative ratings, just cause he doesn't agree with Topics or response . But the Topics or response are with in the guidelines I request the Mods to please take notice of this abuse as he is not capable of handling responsibilities given to him or this power is given to all.

 

[HAIDER]

The Russian-Saudi Showdown at Sochi
December 31, 2013

Exclusive: Last summer, Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar reportedly offered Russian President Putin a deal: if Russia abandons Syria, Saudi Arabia would protect the Sochi Olympics from Islamic terrorists. Putin is said to have angrily rebuffed the offer. Now, with two terrorist attacks, it’s Putin’s move, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Monday’s terrorist bombings only 400 miles away from the site of the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia, have a geopolitical back story involving implied threats from Saudi Arabia’s intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan to Russian President Vladimir Putin last summer when Bandar was pressing Putin to withdraw his backing for the Syrian government.

According to a diplomatic leak detailing the Bandar-Putin meeting in Moscow on July 31, Bandar suggested that Putin’s agreement to abandon the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad would lead Saudi Arabia to restrain its Chechen terrorist clients who have been attacking Russia targets for years. Putin reportedly grew furious, interpreting Bandar’s offer as a warning that the Sochi games would be threatened by terrorism if Putin didn’t comply.


Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia’s intelligence chief, meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

At the time, I was even told that Putin warned Saudi Arabia of potentially severe consequences – suggesting military retaliation – if Bandar’s implied warning was followed up by actual terrorist attacks like the ones in Volvograd on Monday, killing more than 30 people.

Of course, it is always hard to trace specific terrorist acts back to their origins and many terrorist cells operate with much autonomy. But Putin has staked much of his prestige on a successful Olympics in Sochi, and he also would risk losing face if it were perceived that Bandar had executed a terrorist plan to disrupt the Winter Olympics and that Putin was powerless to stop it.

According to the leaked diplomatic account of last summer’s meeting, Bandar sought Russia’s cooperation on several Mideast concerns, including Syria, and told Putin, “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi on the Black Sea next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us.”

Putin reportedly responded, “We know that you have supported the Chechen terrorist groups for a decade. And that support, which you have frankly talked about just now, is completely incompatible with the common objectives of fighting global terrorism that you mentioned. We are interested in developing friendly relations according to clear and strong principles.”

Besides safety for the Sochi Olympics, Bandar raised the potential of Saudi cooperation with Russia on oil and other investment matters, saying, “Let us examine how to put together a unified Russian-Saudi strategy on the subject of oil. The aim is to agree on the price of oil and production quantities that keep the price stable in global oil markets,” according to the diplomatic account.

I was told by a source close to the Russian government that this mix of overt inducements and implied threats infuriated Putin who barely kept his anger in check through the end of the meeting with Bandar. Putin viewed Bandar’s offer to protect the Sochi Olympics as something akin to a Mafia don shaking down a shopkeeper for protection money by saying, “nice little business you got here, I’d hate to see anything happen to it.”

Putin then redoubled his support for the Syrian government in response to Bandar’s blend of bribes and warnings. The source said Russia also issued its own thinly veiled threats against the Saudis. The Saudis may have substantial “soft power” – with their oil and money – but Russia has its own formidable “hard power,” including a huge military, the source said.

Bandar and Terrorism

Over the years, Bandar has often treated the issue of “terrorism” as a situational ethic, an ambivalence well-honed since the days when Saudi Arabia and the Reagan administration teamed up to pour billions of dollars into the Afghan mujahedeen and their Arab jihadist allies fighting Soviet troops in the 1980s.

The anti-Soviet effort in Afghanistan brought to prominence Saudi national Osama bin Laden and the terrorists who later consolidated themselves under the global brand, al-Qaeda. In the 1980s, these roving jihadists were hailed as brave defenders of Islam and even “freedom fighters,” but – in the 1990s – they began targeting the United States with terrorist attacks, leading up to 9/11 in 2001.

At the time of the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, Bandar was the Saudi ambassador to the United States and was so close to the Bush family that he was nicknamed “Bandar Bush.” Bandar was also very close to the bin Laden family. After the attacks, Bandar even acknowledged having met Osama bin Laden in the context of bin Laden thanking Bandar for his help financing the Afghan jihad project.

“I was not impressed, to be honest with you,” Bandar told CNN’s Larry King about bin Laden. “I thought he was simple and very quiet guy.”

However, immediately after 9/11, Bandar undermined the FBI’s opportunity to learn more about the connections between Osama bin Laden’s relatives and the perpetrators of 9/11 when Bandar arranged for members of the bin Laden family to flee the United States on some of the first planes allowed back into the air – after only cursory interviews with FBI investigators. The only segment of the 9/11 Commission’s report to be blacked out was the part dealing with alleged Saudi financing for al-Qaeda.

Now, as chief of Saudi intelligence, Bandar appears to be back in the game of coercive geopolitics, arranging weapons for some of the most brutal Syrian rebels and Arab mercenaries operating inside Syria, while offering carrots-and-sticks to foreign leaders who are seen are malleable toward Saudi regional interests. The technique may have failed with Putin but had greater success in lining up the French behind Saudi opposition to a negotiated agreement with Iran on its nuclear program.

As a repressive monarchy that preaches the ultra-conservative Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia is bitterly opposed to the democratic reforms of the Arab Spring and the growing influence of Shiite Islam, which now stretches from Iran through Iraq and Syria to the Hezbollah enclaves of Lebanon.

Saudi Arabia backed the military coup in Egypt that ousted the elected Muslim Brotherhood government of Mohamed Morsi. The Saudis also have stepped up assistance to Sunni-dominated rebels in Syria seeking to overthrow the Assad dynasty that is based in the Alawite religion, a branch of Shiite Islam.

The commonality of interests between Saudi Arabia and Israel has given rise to a de facto alliancebetween the Saudi monarchy and the Jewish government of Israel. Though historically enemies, Israel and Saudi Arabia are now on the same page in backing Egypt’s military regime, in viewing Iran as their principal adversary, and in wanting a rebel victory in Syria.

The shifting sands of Middle East interests also have pushed the United States and Russia closer together, with the former Cold War rivals sharing an interest in tamping down disorder across the region. President Putin and President Barack Obama cooperated in reaching a tentative nuclear deal with Iran and in convincing Syria’s Assad to surrender his chemical weapons. Putin and Obama are pressing for Syrian peace talks, too.

Now, however, a new complication has been introduced: Islamist terrorist attacks aimed at undermining the Sochi Olympics. If Putin concludes that the Saudis are behind these bombings – that the attacks are the equivalent of a Mafia don having a store torched after the owner rebuffed an offer of “protection” – then the issue of Russian retaliation could suddenly be on the table.

Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his new book, America’s Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon andbarnesandnoble.com). For a limited time, you also can order Robert Parry’s trilogy on the Bush Family and its connections to various right-wing operatives for only $34. The trilogy includes America’s Stolen Narrative. For details on this offer, click here.


The Russian-Saudi Showdown at Sochi | Consortiumnews

 

[Hack-Hook]

Safavids, especially Shah Ismail, Shah Tahmasb, and Shah Abbas The Great, were very wise political leaders. They had some conflicts with Ottomans as always any other neighbors have tensions between each other. About sects, they did converted many people into shiism, as a very wise political act, which is a well-established fact, and I praise them for uniting country in terms of religion, under one flag
otherwise, currently, Iran would be f***ed up now like Syria, lebanon, Iraq and some of our eastern neighbors in terms of religious tensions.

I also support them unifying Iran , but honestly shah Abbas was not wise in one aspect and that was training a successor for the crown , his strategy on that matter resulted in Shah sultan Husein

 

[rmi5]

I also support them unifying Iran , but honestly shah Abbas was not wise in one aspect and that was training a successor for the crown , his strategy on that matter resulted in Shah sultan Husein

He was a great man, he had some mistakes in his very long ruling period as well which is not a surprise, but the main point is what he did for Iran cannot be compared with anyone else in post-islamic Iran. There is a reason that he and Cyrus are the only kings who are always referred as "The Great" by historians.

PS. BTW, Shah Sultan Hussein was not a son of Shah Abbas the Great, and he was trained and false educated by mullahs.

 

[HAIDER]

Terrorists declare war on Russia. Will Russia respond?

Two terrorist attacks in Volgograd, at the railway station and in the trolleybus, have taken the lives of 32 people and wounded more than 70. Russian law enforcement authorities, and, in fact, the state, had to face a serious challenge. Who is standing behind the bombings and what goals they pursue - there are no doubts about that. But what is the reason of the frightening frequency and the constant character of such attacks? What measures should be taken to root out terrorism in Russia?

Suicide bombers do not explode themselves from excessive emotions or religious fanaticism. This is always a result of a well-planned operation. There are Western intelligence agencies and money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar that stand behind terrorist groups and gangs operating in Russia.

"This is definitely the beginning of a planned action," Yevgeny Lobachev, a retired Major General of the Russian Federal Security Bureau, told Pravda.Ru.

The expert sees two purposes. The bombings were conducted to destabilize the situation in the country before the New Year holidays and prior to the Olympic Games in Sochi.
"A number of public and state Western leaders are now calling to boycott the Russian games. Every now and then they keep on reporting that someone else is not coming for the Olympics. These attacks are financed from abroad, most likely from Saudi Arabia, as the two Chechen wars showed. This is foreign influence, foreign control, foreign maintenance," said Evgeny Lobachev.

"There is every reason to believe that this is the beginning of a large-scale operation to destabilize Russia. We have a lot of enemies who seek to undermine our credibility, especially in the run-up to the Olympics," Saeed Gafurov, the scientific director of the Institute of Oriental and African Studies said.


He believes that the bombings were an act of revenge to the Russian Federation for Syria and a result of the flabbiness of Russian diplomacy.

"Russia made several mistakes in the Middle East and in the Persian Gulf, where it showed generosity and softness in response to barbaric actions. We shouldn't have, for example, turned a blind eye on the beating of Ambassador Titarenko in Qatar. Officers of Qatari security forces received no punishment. It was a reason for war, and we just swallowed it. Russia said nothing when Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain either," said the expert. According to him, the Gulf monarchies "understand only fear and it is impossible to negotiate with them."

"They found this behavior as a sign of Russia's weakness and increased the funding for Wahhabi and other radical Islamist underground in Russia." Moreover, the expert said, the funding is conducted through public organizations that may not always be headquartered in Doha or Al Riyadh - some of them can be located in London, for instance." "Now, when it appears that government troops in Syria are winning the war, revenge to our country will only grow," says Gafurov.

These opinions can be supported with the data that transpired in August through Russia Today and several Western and Arab publications about the visit of the chief of military intelligence, Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, to Moscow. Bin Sultan said back then that he guaranteed safety at Winter Olympics in Sochi next year, if Russia made concessions in relation to its position on Syria. "Groups of Chechen fighters, who express different threats to the Olympic Games, are under our control," The Guardian quoted the prince.

Apart from financing and administration from outside, there are internal Russian factors that create fertile grounds for Islamic radicalism and terrorism.

"The problem is not only about foreign funding, but also about our internal reasons, Alexey Filatov, retired FSB colonel, veteran of anti-terrorist group Alpha, told Pravda.Ru. It goes about high level of social stratification and corruption, the expert explained. For example, the financing of criminal groups is carried out through taxation of local officials, who obtain their money from the federal budget. In addition, our police are too busy with less important things, like, for example, migration issue," Filatov said.

These social causes, in his opinion, are the basis for steady influx of new candidates for suicide bombings, and it is highly difficult for security services to handle the problem.

"One should also understand that in the 1990s, Russian security forces lost many professionals. It now takes decades to bring that all back," says Evgeny Lobachev.

Political analyst Saeed Gafurov does not share such fatalism. "Terrorists' financial, organizational, human, logistical resources are not limitless. Fatalism, therefore, is inappropriate. We should improve vigilance. If we can not completely exclude terrorist attacks today, then we can make them very expensive. To do this, we must all raise vigilance," he said.

The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, does not share a fatal point of view on the problem either. According to experts, he solved the issue of illegal criminal groups by calling to enact a law that "infinitely increased punishment" for terrorist activities and outlawed all radical movements, parties and groups."

Alexey Filatov believes that Russia should follow the example of the United States.

"We need to do what Americans do. We have to keep tabs on each and every person. This technology that Snowden exposed - prevention and control - has a real effect. Metal detectors are useless. One should be able to follow the enemy, rather than prohibit radical movements. Metal detectors on all exists and entrances do not help, this is a waste of money."

What other measures should the state take? It appears that Russia should strengthen diplomatic activities on the international arena, find leverage over Saudi Arabia and Qatar. One should prove facts, put up the question to discussion at international forums and organize diplomatic scandals. To crown it all, as Lebanese newspaper As-Safir wrote, President Vladimir Putin promised Prince Bandar to strike a "massive military blow" on terrorist training camps. Western analysts concluded that Russia was threatening Saudi Arabia.

Lyuba Lulko

Pravda.Ru

Read the original in Russian

 

[Cheetah786]

The basement dude will come out shortly after they introduce mut3a services and legalize weed in our new qibla karbala .

I am sure it will be the future qibla for all drug addicts in Arab world.

well since you are on drugs So what Qibla are you following now a days Tel-Aviv or Washington are you reciting the new prayers given by Terrorist Prince.

New prayers from House of saud for the followers
Benjamin Netanyahu (changed after every Israeli election) is god and Obama(changed after evry American election)is his messenger.

 

[Shak]

shia's will be winners in the end....

 

[Hack-Hook]

He was a great man, he had some mistakes in his very long ruling period as well which is not a surprise, but the main point is what he did for Iran cannot be compared with anyone else in post-islamic Iran. There is a reason that he and Cyrus are the only kings who are always referred as "The Great" by historians.

PS. BTW, Shah Sultan Hussein was not a son of Shah Abbas the Great, and he was trained and false educated by mullahs.

he was the result of the tradition he established when it come to training Safavid princes .

 

[rmi5]

he was the result of the tradition he established when it come to training Safavid princes .

Lets not go off-topic here anymore buddy.
but, In summary, No, he is not We can talk about it later in a more proper thread