To thwart Sino-Pak N-deal, India lobbies for NSG help

[majesticpankaj]

good job by india.. make your enemy as weak as possible. the war can be fought at many fronts.

 

[notsuperstitious]

That is an incorrect reading of Pakistan's objections - Pakistan's objections were in the context of the arbitrary nature of the Indian clearance. Pakistan wanted a standard international protocol and rules governing such exemptions for all nations, rather than the arbitrary and discriminatory process that was applied to grant India the exemption.

Then you are reading India's objections incorrectly too, India also would not object to Pakistan's deal but for Pakistan's whitewashing of the A Q Khan affair. International community should be concerned that nobody was really punished, no accountability established (conveniently blaming a single person but none from the ruling military) and then the hero was just restored as if all was OK. The potential threat from such whitewashing may be enornous for some country.

By opposing the deal India wants the same yardstick that was applied to India, that is of a responsible state with nuclear matters.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

All nations have a right to peaceful nuclear energy.

I don't understand what the problem is. Pakistan already has nuclear weapons, what harm can it do, for them to build a nuclear power plant in order to provide domestic energy?

I really can't see why anyone would have a problem with this?

Also, the NSG is "non-binding" and therefore essentially irrelevant, all they can do is provide guidelines. There is no legal obligation to follow the guidelines at all.

the problem is that there are international rules and regulations which are determined and relaxed by consensus of all countries involved .....when you dont sign the NPT or CTBT you dont get access to nuclear commerce....when even the U.S had to draw out its diplomatic resources to "persuade" over 150 NSG nations to "grant" access to India....why and on what grounds does china receive the right to do so unilaterally and utterly disregarding international opinion ..?....both Pakistan and China can bring their case before the NSG and let them judge the merits or demerits....

 

[applesauce]

why and on what grounds does china receive the right to do so unilaterally and utterly disregarding international opinion ..?....both Pakistan and China can bring their case before the NSG and let them judge the merits or demerits....

on the grounds that there is no international law stating that china pakistan are not to cooperate

on the grounds that this particular project has no proliferation concerns given it will be fully inspected by IAEA and pakistan already has the bomb hence no threat to anyone

on the grounds that NSG does not make laws, merely guidelines which are optional, and no country even brought this up in the NSG

private citizens and india has made noises but no country is officially pushing the problem and the forum for such a thing is the NSG which no country has raise any concerns

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

on the grounds that there is no international law stating that china pakistan are not to cooperate

on the grounds that this particular project has no proliferation concerns given it will be fully inspected by IAEA and pakistan already has the bomb hence no threat to anyone

on the grounds that NSG does not make laws, merely guidelines which are optional, and no country even brought this up in the NSG

private citizens and india has made noises but no country is officially pushing the problem and the forum for such a thing is the NSG which no country has raise any concerns

1) international law or agreement whichever way you would like to put it.....its the basis for creating the NSG....that a member nation(China)...cannot do nuclear commerce with an NPT non member without the consent of the other members.....


2)Chinese diplomacy at serious work I suppose or western hypocrisy at its best with different standards for different countries .......

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

1) international law or agreement whichever way you would like to put it.....its the basis for creating the NSG....that a member nation(China)...cannot do nuclear commerce with an NPT non member without the consent of the other members.....

The NSG is legally non-binding.

They can only give guidelines, and there is no legal obligation at all to follow the guidelines.

The Sino-Pakistan nuclear deal does not break any international laws.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

The NSG is legally non-binding.

They can only give guidelines, and there is no legal obligation at all to follow the guidelines.

The Sino-Pakistan nuclear deal does not break any international laws.

I agree that there is no legal obligation ...but there are mutually agreed consequences ....like sanctions ,boycotts ,diplomatic condemnation etc.....and yes it is the lack of a legal obligation indeed which makes the NSG so insubstantial .....whose " guidelines " can be ignored by a big power with little fear....it seems this anomaly is enabling Russia & China to supply Iran too........

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

....it seems this anomaly is enabling Russia & China to supply Iran too........

What sanctions did Russia face, from supplying Iran with nuclear fuel for their reactor?

By the way, China was not involved in supplying Iran's reactor, it was just Russia.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

What sanctions did Russia face, from supplying Iran with nuclear fuel for their reactor?

By the way, China was not involved in supplying Iran's reactor, it was just Russia.

they didn't though I would like to see some country like Canada or Kazakhstan try.... btw there was a diplomatic backlash against Russia for this....

the bold part may be true but there was considerable speculation at a point of time....