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I am not so sure.

China has chosen to adopt the policy the author of the article above suggests - protecting the Shire, and leaving the rest to their own fate.

She deals with autocracies, dictatorships, democracies, secular and theocratic states.

It has so far refused to judge and sanction nations, nor has it necessarily shown any inclination to "spread its values". Buy and sell, trade is what primarily drives its relationship with the majority of the world, and conflict lies only where it attempts to claim or protect that which it considers its own.

I am talking about the future, where China has enough firepower to bandy it about with impunity.

Remember, China was a closed country till around a decade ago. It has just begun to interact with the rest of the world, hence it has an advantage that very few nations hold longstanding grudges, or share a bitter past with her.
China has gotten rid of potential enemies in the region by swallowing them up, i.e. Tibet, Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang.

However, with the passage of time, it is inevitable that China will try to influence global events to benefit her, and someone is going to suffer at her hand sooner or later.

I can already forsee a showdown in the Xinjiang province, when the fundamentalists in the middle east wake up to the fact that their muslim brethren there are being mistreated.
 
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Because you perhaps more than others can realize that this is not a one way problem, in fact, it has got way too little attention from those who are honest in their attempts at critical inquiry. The intellectual and for the lack of a better construct, spiritual and religious trends in particular in the US, border on the lunatic.

We discussed, very briefly the animus, the deeply malevolent attitude US servicemen persons, at the officer level hold towards Pakistan - you may wish to investigate for yourself the intellectual and religious inspiration for that animus.

It's not just that it's dangerous for the non-Western world, it's really more dangerous for the the West - they don't fully realize that the world has changed and will change even more - they see it, but have not internalized what it means for them or rather what it can mean for them if they do not realize that more and more the more they push, the more they get pushed back.

Can you imagine the reaction in the so called "free" "independent" Western press if such a piece was published in a respectable paper or magazine in the non-Western world and that it's author was a presidential advisor?? In the piece above "Tablet Ignites..." you will note this line, casually presented :

"..and other lines that speak of blood and slaughter as pathways to justice"

imagine, well you know that the so called "free" Western has already done with such lines when they are associated with ideas of "justice", not "western" in origin. :cheers:
 
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We discussed, very briefly the animus, the deeply malevolent attitude US servicemen persons, at the officer level hold towards Pakistan - you may wish to investigate for yourself the intellectual and religious inspiration for that animus.
Interesting point.

The US military does lean towards the conservative, southern demographic.

I made a more general point about how Gen. McNeill's comments during his briefing illustrated a deep disconnect with the repercussions of policies, in all of Pakistan, the US is demanding be implemented in FATA.

The above could just be cultural disconnect, but you raise an interesting question about whether the cultural disconnect is also being exacerbated by "bible belt ideology" held by some officers - that might make it hard to look at Pakistan's domestic dynamics, political and social, and the constraints under which Pakistan must operate with anything but animus ...

S-2:

I know you are in self imposed exile, but comments - either here or elsewhere?
 
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I am talking about the future, where China has enough firepower to bandy it about with impunity.

Remember, China was a closed country till around a decade ago. It has just begun to interact with the rest of the world, hence it has an advantage that very few nations hold longstanding grudges, or share a bitter past with her.
China has gotten rid of potential enemies in the region by swallowing them up, i.e. Tibet, Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang.

However, with the passage of time, it is inevitable that China will try to influence global events to benefit her, and someone is going to suffer at her hand sooner or later.

I can already forsee a showdown in the Xinjiang province, when the fundamentalists in the middle east wake up to the fact that their muslim brethren there are being mistreated.

Flintlock,

You are correct that as China grow more powerful, it will try and influence events to her own benefit - but it is how she goes about that task that will determine whether she comes into conflict.

Imposing her 'values' and 'systems' on other nations - conflict will be inevitable.

Influencing through trade and diplomacy - as it is currently - then I don't see her going down the route of the US.
 
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Mixing religion with politics in the US
Gulfnews: Mixing religion with politics in the US

09/16/2008 11:52 PM | By Mohammad Akef Jamal, Special to Gulf News



The US has a long tradition of separating religion from politics, despite the existence of strong forces that call for assimilating them.

The history of the US is filled with social movements, such as banning abortion, civil rights demands and gay marriages to name but a few. All these activities were always influenced by the attitude and stance of the church that is considered the final reference in such issues.

US election campaigns did not mix religion with politics up till 2004. For the first time that year, candidates spoke freely about their religious beliefs. After the events of 9/11, the church became more active in politics and candidates started being categorised according to their religious and political beliefs
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A new survey conducted by the Pew Research Centre provides information on the issues, attitudes and trends shaping the US and the world, has found a narrow majority of the public saying that churches and other houses of worship should keep out of political matters and not express their views on day-to-day social and political matters.

The new national survey by the Pew Research Center that was issued on August 21, where 3,000 adults took part, has revealed that most of the reconsideration of the desirability of religious involvement in politics has occurred among conservatives as follows: 51 per cent of Republicans, 52 per cent Democrats and 55 per cent independents, in comparison to 37 per cent Republicans, 51 per cent Democrats and 45 per cent independents had the same views in 2004.

Hence, the sharp divisions between Republicans and Democrats that previously existed on this issue have disappeared
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While the Republican Party is most often seen as the party friendly towards religion, the Democratic Party has made gains in this area. Nearly 38 per cent now say the Democratic Party is generally friendly towards religion, up from just 26 per cent two years ago.

The poll also finds increasing numbers of Americans believing that religiously-defined ideological groups have too much control over the parties themselves.


Nearly 48 per cent say religious conservatives have too much influence over the Republican Party, up from 43 per cent in August 2007. At the same time, more people say that liberals who are not religious have too much sway over the Democrats than they did so last year.

This is an indicator of the Republicans Party strength, where its leadership feels completely at home in this environment, in contrast to the leadership of the Democratic Party
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Employing religion in politics affords a better atmosphere for Republican leaders in holding on to the party and strongly influencing politics, as long as the religiously oriented public opinion plays a major role in political decisions that deliver candidates to office.

Changes in views about the role of churches in politics notwithstanding, many of the contours of American public opinion relating to broad questions of religion and politics remain largely unchanged.

Two-thirds of the public (66 per cent) say that churches and other houses of worship should not endorse one candidate over another, which is unchanged since 2004 (65 per cent). And while most say it is important for presidents to have strong religious beliefs, they are divided about whether there currently is too much, or too little, in expressions of faith by contemporary political leaders
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Despite their increased reluctance to see religious institutions speaking out on politics, conservatives and Republicans continue to express very strong support for a religious president and relatively high levels of support for expressions of religious faith and prayer by political leaders.

The numbers revealed in the survey do not show that the relationship between religion and politics is for or against utilising religion in politics, but they are an important indicator of the fact that religion has a highly effective role in presidential elections
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Interesting

It is interesting to note that US President George W. Bush has increasingly talked about the role of religion in public life after 9/11 and not before. Like Bush, Sarah Palin, the running mate of Republican candidate John McCain attempted to justify her policies by claiming they were divinely-ordered during a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God church in June.

"Pray for our military. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country - that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said
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If we were to take the results of this survey as an indicator to the US society's way of thinking, then there is reason enough to believe that the US conservatives are well backed, while the liberal's aspirations recede.

This will leave international imprints that cannot be ignored
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Dr Mohammad Akef Jamal is an Iraqi writer based in Dubai
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Religious comfort for bin Laden
By James Carroll

Tuesday, September 16, 2008
Religious comfort for bin Laden

Seven years ago last Thursday came the attack, but the American mistake came three days later. That was when President Bush, standing in the soaring space of the National Cathedral and invoking God, declared his purpose: "to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil."

When the global war on terrorism was conceived in expressly religious terms, with a Christian God declared to be not only an ally but a sponsor, the administration was carrying out an essential part of the plan of Osama bin Laden. Bush is criticized for many things, but his most grievous failure lies in having fallen into bin Laden's trap
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Beginning on Sept. 14, 2001, US foreign policy was yoked to a certain brand of messianic fundamentalism. Although discussed openly in eschatologically-minded religious institutions, the link between state power and radical Christian fervor remained blurred both in Bush's mind and in political discussion, yet it was defining. Key administration figures signed on for the good-versus-evil crusade, the enemy was defined in explicitly religious terms - "Islamofascism" - and end-of-days religion began showing up as a mode of building unit cohesion in the US military. God was assigned a place in the chain-of-command, and prayer, mainly in the name of Jesus, became a function of government.

Bin Laden wanted to be taken as the world-defender of Muslims; he wanted a war with the Great Satan as a purification of the House of Islam; he wanted the clash of civilizations. It worked, but only because a particular religious vision animated American responses. Here are that vision's main characteristics:

Manichaean, with primitive notions of an absolute divide between good and evil - the saved on one side, the damned on the other.

Apocalyptic, convinced that redemption comes through violence.

Millennial, taking prospects of bloodshed and mayhem as God-predicted tribulations from which the born-again will be rescued.

Otherworldly, so ready to denigrate life on earth as to risk its destruction, whether quickly through war or slowly through pollution
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Israel-obsessed, with the Jewish state openly seen as instrumental in God's plan for the coming Last Judgment (while downplaying expectations of universal Jewish baptism).

As the Bush crusade wore on, ever more clearly a failure, the American public became uneasy with its religious overtones. There was less talk of defeating evil, and of God as a US ally. Yet because questions of faith are politically loaded, and because public figures, too, have a right to freedom of conscience, there was, equally, little or no public reckoning with the way such Bush-sponsored state-religiosity had empowered bin Laden around the Muslim world, recruiting his legions to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But by the time of this year's presidential campaign, Christian fervor as a mode of foreign policy was so discredited that, even among Republicans, the otherwise compelling candidacy of Mike Huckabee went nowhere. John McCain gives necessary lip-service to piety, but is not driven by it.

This is the context within which arise grave, and as yet unanswered questions about Sarah Palin. It seems clear that her nomination as the Republican vice-presidential candidate has generated such enthusiasm in large part because of her ties to politicized evangelicalism. Normally, the content of her beliefs would be no more a subject of proper political inquiry than, say, John Kennedy's Catholicism was. But when conservative Christian leaders openly transformed their faith-based networks into a partisan political movement, with drastic consequences at home and abroad, the political-religious convictions of an evangelical candidate must be addressed.

In interviews, Palin has already expressed a readiness to go to war with Russia, and a refusal, as she put it, to "second guess" Israel. What lies behind these positions? Does she regard war as a possible mode of redemption? Does she believe God has granted Israel title to the whole land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean? Is it proper for US military commanders to impose religious tests on their troops? Does she see the United States as possessing transcendent virtue, other nations as more prone to evil?

Once, such questions would have seemed crackpot. Today, their answers could tell us if our nation is about to replay its gravest mistake
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Well for how long the American people will be held hostage to the artificialy created fear by few Neo-cons just to sail their boat and bring fear as well as misries to the innocent Americans as well as the world.
 
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This is really not new. This has been around for last 20+ years where the priest would give a sarman on a candidate they have chosen. This is how President Bush had gotten majority of chrisitian votes. And religion in US has always played a role. Latest example is Mitt Romny, which i thought was the best candidate for the republican party, but because he was Morman, he could not convience the orthodox christians in this country.
 
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Judging Israel
By Geoffrey Wheatcroft

Tuesday, January 13, 2009
BATH, England:

For all of the optimistic predictions about the "End of History" and the universal triumph of liberal democracy, much of the world still does not enjoy democratic government as the West understands it. Yet in the West itself there is another problem: the "democratic deficit," or the way the political class fails to reflect the wishes of the electorate.

In Europe this has long been seen in the gulf between rulers and ruled over the integration of the European Union. Again and again the political classes have planned another stage of federal integration, and again and again these have been rejected by voters.

Now there is another case, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. What makes it more striking is that this gulf is increasingly visible on both sides of the Atlantic.

Leaving aside the latest dismal exhibition of European division, indecision and impotence, political leaders in Western Europe have habitually tended much more toward the Israeli side than have their voters.

When the German chancellor Angela Merkel says that responsibility for the latest violence in Gaza "clearly and exclusively" lies with Hamas, polls show that she is quite out of step with German public opinion.

For obvious reasons, Germany is not happily placed to take sides over Israel, but much the same is true in other countries, including my own. Gordon Brown limply called for an end to violence, but his government has not demanded a legally binding cease-fire, or more generally followed a British public dismayed by Israeli actions. And this was the very issue which effectively ended Tony Blair's prime ministership.

By 2006, much of the country - not least Blair's own MPs, restlessly waited for him to depart - and then came the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon that summer. Then as now, British opinion was strongly critical of Israel - in one poll only 22 percent of voters thought the Israeli response in Lebanon was justified - and in favor of an immediate cease-fire. As always, but for the last time, Blair wouldn't deviate from his absolute loyalty to Washington, and thereby Israel. For his party, that was the last straw.

Since the only Western country that really counts in the Middle East is the United States, any change there is of much greater significance. And for what Keynes called "the history of opinion," a change is increasingly evident, or rather a reversal of a previous change. In the 1950s it was the Europeans who supported Israel, notably when the London and Paris governments conspired with Tel Aviv in the ill-fated Suez adventure.

It was Washington that pulled the rug from under the conspirators. The American administration was then well-nigh hostile toward Israel, which President Dwight D. Eisenhower and John Foster Dulles, his secretary of state, saw as an impediment to their Cold War strategy. A shift began in 1960 with the election of John F. Kennedy, who turned sharply toward Israel, and public opinion followed with the 1967 war, when Americans overwhelmingly supported Israel.

For decades now, successive administrations have offered staunch support to Israel, which has plainly been a critical factor guiding Israeli policy. And the U.S. Congress has been even more fervent than the White House. In July 2006, the House of Representatives passed a resolution of total support for Israel by 410 votes to 8, And the newly elected Senate has just reaffirmed "unwavering commitment" to Israel, with the House following suit.

Until recently it could be argued that Capitol Hill was speaking for the American people, but evidence suggests that this no longer so, and that another democratic deficit is opening.

In fact, a potential change of mood has been palpable for some time to any astute observer, such as the late and greatly missed Michael Kelly, a Washington Post columnist and editor of successive magazines, latterly the Atlantic Monthly, before he was killed covering the invasion of Iraq.

Not long before his death, we lunched in Boston, where the Atlantic was then still published, and talked about the Middle East. A smart, funny, bare-knuckled right-winger, Mike Kelly followed what might be called the conservative party line in support of Israel, and he said that middle-aged Middle America was still reliable in this respect. But, he added ruefully, he had found an entirely different story when visiting college campuses - which is confirmed by Tony Judt.

That brilliant historian and shrewd commentator has described an incident some years ago. He was trying to explain to his class at New York University, where he's a professor, the emotional resonance of the Spanish Civil War, and why Spain under Franco had long remained "a land of shame that people boycotted for its crimes and repression," saying that he couldn't think of a contemporary equivalent of any country so disliked and despised.

"What about Israel?" one young woman asked. A onetime schoolboy Zionist, who is now a severe critic of Israel, even Judt was greatly surprised when "most of the class (including many of the sizeable Jewish contingent) nodded their approval. The times they are indeed a-changing."

Those college kids were the next generation of adult American citizens, and we can now see the times a-changing in polls.

A majority of Americans still endorse the Israeli action in Gaza, over those who don't and think Israel should have pursued a diplomatic path - but only by 44 to 41 percent, a much slimmer margin of support than Israel enjoyed quite recently.

More to the point, Democratic voters oppose the Israeli attack by a margin of 22 percent, and a Democrat is, after all, about to be inaugurated as president. The outgoing president has continued to offer Israel total support, and Barack Obama has prudently said nothing at all about Gaza. But he'll have to say as well as do something after he takes office, and before long Washington politicians, on Capitol Hill as well as in the White House, will have to take account of the American people and their changing view of the conflict.


For more than 60 years Israel has shown that it can win every battle by military might. But there is also what the Declaration of Independence calls "a decent respect for the opinions of mankind," and the battle for opinion cannot be won by brute force alone.

Geoffrey Wheatcroft's books include "The Controversy of Zion: Jewish Nationalism, the Jewish State, and the Unresolved Jewish Dilemma."
 
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