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Tibetan freedom movement will succeed:Lobsang Sangay.

While it is a fact that China is occupying Tibet illegally; it is also a fact that the world is not keen to create new borders and nations and wishes that people live with greater autonomy within current borders. If China offers religious freedom to Tibetans and enables them to develop economically as well as culturally then the Tibetan leadership should be happy. But of course, we know that this is not the case. I wonder what is stopping them from doing so.
 
you better reserve your last few breathes for the demise of your country!

I was in a way supporting your illegal occupation of tibet and this is what I get in return. Thankless cheenis.:sick::disagree:
 
I was in a way supporting your illegal occupation of tibet and this is what I get in return. Thankless cheenis.:sick::disagree:

Don't mind Shuttler - she is always suffering through PMS.

poor indian cheerleaders always argue out of absolute nonsense! Our folks in Xizang are moving towards middle class living standards of india while vast majority of indians, especially in ASSAM and elsewhere are facing their horrible exodus and internecine killing, suffering from unhygienic, extreme difficult lives day by day!
 
poor indian cheerleaders always argue out of absolute nonsense! Our folks in Xizang are moving towards middle class living standards of india while vast majority of indians, especially in ASSAM and elsewhere are facing their horrible exodus and internecine killing, unhygienic, extreme difficult lives day by day!

Majority of the folks in Tibet are Hans now.
 
It seems the favourable words here is "occupying illegally". So which law there is saying that China's administration of Tibet is illegal? It is as illegal as White Europeans occupying the land of Native American Indians' land now being called USA.

A Personal Reflection On Hypocrisy Over Tibet

On Hypocrisy Over Tibet

by JOHN V. WHITBECK




I have been watching with growing amazement and concern the assaults on the bizarrely quasi-religious Olympic Torch as it has staggered through London, Paris and San Francisco, as well as the self-righteous pronouncements by certain European "leaders" (and even by the European Parliament, the UN Secretary-General and John McCain) that they will not be attending the opening ceremony of the Olympics or are seriously considering not attending or urging others not to attend unless China bows to their "human rights" demands.

Have they even been invited? Who needs them? Why, aside from the obvious intention to to give offense, should the Chinese care?

I should make clear from the start that I am profoundly sympathetic to Tibet and Tibetans. I have had the privilege of meeting His Holiness the Dalai Lama on two occasions, most recently when we both spoke at the same human rights conference in Sweden, and the white kata which he hung around my neck on the first occasion is proudly displayed in my study. In person, he exudes a quiet, modest charisma and aura of human saintliness that is captivating even to an atheist — unlike any other person whom I have ever met. I wish that he could return to the Potala Palace and his Norbulingka summer residence and that his people could enjoy the broad cultural and administrative autonomy which he seeks for them.

Furthermore, when I traveled in Tibet in 1981 (at a time when I had already visited all but one of the world’s then existing countries), I found it, far and away, the most fascinating place which I had ever visited. It took my breath away in every sense.

Having said that, the current anti-Chinese frenzy in the West, pursued in the guise of pro-Tibetan (and, to a lesser extent, pro-Darfuri) human rights activism, and the Western media’s coverage of it reek of hypocrisy.

As best I can tell, the recent violence occurred when some ethnic Tibetans, understandably fed up with the ever-increasing presence and domination of Han Chinese in traditional Tibetan areas, exploded in frustration, burned some Han Chinese shops and killed some Han Chinese civilians. What, in such circumstances, would one expect the Chinese authorities to do? When, by way of example, some African-Americans in Watts and other poor areas of Los Angeles exploded in frustration, burned some white- and Korean-owned stores and attacked some non-blacks, did the American police run away? As I recall, they sought to restore order. So have the Chinese authorities. (As a practical matter, the most brutal images of repressive police action against ethnic Tibetan protestors have not come from China but from other countries, most notably Nepal.)

Can anyone seriously argue that Chinese treatment of Tibetans, who have not been subject to either genocide or ethnic cleansing and of whom the vast majority continue to live on their ancestral lands, compares unfavorably with the treatment accorded to the Native Americans by the European settlers of North America or the treatment accorded (and continuing to be accorded) to the indigenous Palestinians by the Zionist settlers of Palestine? Can anyone seriously argue that it is even in the same league of evil and injustice?

With more than 50 recognized ethnic minorities comprising roughly six percent of China’s immense population, Chinese government policy has always aimed at cultural integration of all Chinese citizens rather than at multiculturalism. Inevitably, some peoples are deeply attached to their own distinct cultures and do not wish to be integrated into another one. If Chinese treatment of certain ethnic minorities justly merits criticism, most serious observers would argue that repressive measures against the Uighurs of Xinjiang have been more severe than repressive measures against Tibetans.

However, although there are many more Uighurs than Tibetans, one hears very little about Uighurs in the West. They are Muslims. Uighur nationalist movements are on America’s list of "terrorst" groups, and four Uighurs swept up in Afghanistan were incarcerated at Guantanamo for years, even long after being exonerated as potential threats to America, before finally being dumped in Albania, because no other country would provide them asylum.

Furthermore, how reasonable is it to hold China responsible for the human suffering resulting from multiple separatist insurgencies and governmental counterinsurgency measures in the Darfur region of Sudan (because China invests in Sudan’s oil industry?) while not holding America and its Western collaborators responsible for the far worse human suffering resulting from America’s invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq and America’s unconditional financial and diplomatic support for Israel’s occupation of Palestine?

If the Chinese feel that the current anti-Chinese frenzy in the West has its roots in jealousy at China’s 12% annual economic growth rate and its increasing success in all aspects of world affairs, seasoned with ample doses of racism and hypocrisy, this would not be an irrational appreciation of the situation.

At least with respect to its role in world affairs, China has proven a rather gentle and benign dragon in recent decades, focused on improving the economic conditions and quality of life of its people rather than on military aggression or full-spectrum domination of mankind and the planet, even while its strength and potential power have been growing exponentially. Seeking personal emotional satisfaction or domestic political advantage by gratuitously sticking pins in the Chinese dragon is unlikely to prove a wise course of action.

The world has enough problems already.

JOHN V. WHITBECK, an international lawyer, is author of "The World According to Whitbeck".
On Hypocrisy Over Tibet » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
 
poor indian cheerleaders always argue out of absolute nonsense! Our folks in Xizang are moving towards middle class living standards of india while vast majority of indians, especially in ASSAM and elsewhere are facing their horrible exodus and internecine killing, suffering from unhygienic, extreme difficult lives day by day!

India should not be the standard for you guys. Please aim much higher - India is an extremely poor nation. Shouldn't you aim for the living standard of Western Europe or North America?
 
India is just a geographical term.

You need to improve you knowledge on geography then :D

At best India is a artificial country created by British.

Thats like saying China is nation created by the eight nation alliance.

Do you think you call your country "India", then you can have everything related to the word "India"?

Have Chinese ever called their nation "China"?

Otherwise, I suggest you change your name to "Asia".

Appretiate your suggestion but we are fine with "India".


Tibetans are a branch of Chinese in terms of "Genetics and Language", which is the root of a race.

By the logic of root of a race Africa should claim the entire plant.


As for the little influence from India, modern Tibetans are gradually getting rid of the backward parts of their culture.

Yup! the wonder of cultural revolution i presume

Imagine if Assamese and NE nationalists declared independence in peacetime.

The right question to ask, which people of Assam also how many might do so,

Answer to that can be found in voter turn out in those states.

No-one, except for the monks, mourn for the loss of serfdom in Tibet.

Do you have a survey to prove that?
 
You need to improve you knowledge on geography then :D



Thats like saying China is nation created by the eight nation alliance.



Have Chinese ever called their nation "China"?



Appretiate your suggestion but we are fine with "India".




By the logic of root of a race Africa should claim the entire plant.




Yup! the wonder of cultural revolution i presume



The right question to ask, which people of Assam also how many might do so,

Answer to that can be found in voter turn out in those states.


Best line to take against the Chinese - a line which they never answer -

If Tibet was always a part of China, then why did China sign the 17-point Agreement with Tibet to take it over? Did it sign any such agreement with any such Agreement with its other provinces?
 
The right question to ask, which people of Assam also how many might do so,

Answer to that can be found in voter turn out in those states.

I'm sorry. Why do the North East independence movements such as the ULFA or NDFB exist then? According to your logic, they shouldn't because all NE 'Indians' should be pacified with their representation in Indian democracy. The heavy internal security presence in NE India and K & J suggests your government thinks otherwise.

Do you have a survey to prove that?

:hitwall:
.... Replace serfdom in Tibet with Caste system in India and you get...

"The Dalit in India do not mourn the loss of the Caste System in India."
"Do you have a survey to prove that?"
 
Best line to take against the Chinese - a line which they never answer -

If Tibet was always a part of China, then why did China sign the 17-point Agreement with Tibet to take it over? Did it sign any such agreement with any such Agreement with its other provinces?

Simplest fact Chinese members fail to see is the concept of right to self-determination, despite being a UN Security council member.

Which was conceived, as part of the anti-colonization efforts by UN, in simple terms : "you can't force nationality on people"

If there is a majority of Tibetans accepting Chinese nationality, there is no question on Tibetan independence,

However opinions of majority of Tibetans opinion on their nationality, will ever be known soon.

I'm sorry. Why do the North East independence movements such as the ULFA or NDFB exist then? According to your logic, they shouldn't because all NE 'Indians' should be pacified with their representation in Indian democracy. The heavy internal security presence in NE India and K & J suggests your government thinks otherwise.

I think you misunderstood my post.

By "which people of Assam" I mean which tribes of Assam?

By "how many" i meant if there is a significant majority of people seeking independence. If yes!, there is little India can do against, independence of those respective states.

Last i recall there was 78% voter turnout in Assam elections

Assam final phase sees over 70 per cent polling

.... Replace serfdom in Tibet with Caste system in India and you get...

"The Dalit in India do not mourn the loss of the Caste System in India."
"Do you have a survey to prove that?"

No!

I think you are confusing a conjecture with your opinion here.
 
I think you misunderstood my post.

By "which people of Assam" I mean which tribes of Assam?

By "how many" i meant if there is a significant majority of people seeking independence. If yes!, there is little India can do against, independence of those respective states.

Last i recall there was 78% voter turnout in Assam elections

Assam final phase sees over 70 per cent polling

Independence sentiments only occur if the government lacks legitimacy or if governments fail to satisfy the population. There's never been a definitive plan to fix the problems of NE India with all the different minorities. The recent unrest undermines government authority. As well, many minorities share a closer genetic heritage and culture to SE Asians and Burmanese than Indians. This problem is greater in magnitude than the one China faces in Xinjiang and Tibet due to the dozens more culture groups that strive for self-preservation and representation.


No!

I think you are confusing a conjecture with your opinion here.

You tried to counter my statement on Tibetan serfdom asking for polling to confirm my 'opinion', calling it a conjecture. That statement is as inane as asking about Dalits under the caste system or African Americans under slavery.

A better method is assuming that Tibetans will grow more restless and will more easily support autonomy if the Chinese government doesn't continue provide improving standards of living and wealth for them, based on the decades of economic growth. Despite what critics say, Tibetans get their own fair share of benefits. The Chinese government provides most of the government expenditure in the region, and Tibetans in general get generous tax exemptions. Tibet is in an even poorer geographic position than Nepal, Burma or NE India to develop its economy.
 
Majority of the folks in Tibet are Hans now.

How about about the real Assamese, are they still the rightful owners of their lands? or are now being confined just to the most highest part of the mountains? Show us some proof that they are actually living in a much better condition than the chinese tibetants please... LOLOL... at empty talk indians!
 

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