Three Waves of Industrialization

[Martian2]

Two hundred and thirty years ago, Britain started industrializing. Industrialization spread into Europe and America. Due to the necessity of the Cold War, industrialization expanded into East Asia.

I believe these factors were unique and no further expansion of industrialization will occur.

Thus, I had proposed an artificial form of industrialization. Whereas the Cold War caused the natural transfer of technology, I want to use a market-based willing-seller and willing-buyer model.

I had previously suggested China should offer an Asian Union or United States of China model to Mongolia, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan.

I would like to add one more country to the list. Afghanistan should also be an eligible candidate. Afghanistan is a critical country, which connects China to Iran. If Afghanistan can be brought into the Chinese sphere then it would ensure a permanent pipeline to Iran's vast oil fields.

Also, the Iranians have indicated a willingness to move into the Chinese camp. (Citation: Iran dumps US dollar, adopts Chinese yuan for settlements | Asia First )

Establishing a permanent pathway to Iran is in China's long-term interest.

 

[Edison Chen]

Agree most part, but Taiwan to China is questionable. Taiwan indeed has heavy investment in China, but it never led the wave across the whole China, it doesn't have such influence.

 

[Kolaps]

Agree most part, but Taiwan to China is questionable. Taiwan indeed has heavy investment in China, but it never led the wave across the whole China, it doesn't have such influence.

You forget what China look like before '80.

Little Taiwan saved 1.3 billion of people from Mao Zedong.


When Deng Xiaoping made a phone call and sent mail, to apologize and ask Taiwan for help.


Of course, we Taiwanese are Chinese (despite there are a lot of traitor in Taiwan too).

True Chinese from Taiwan, helped and saved mainland wholehearted.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Two hundred and thirty years ago, Britain started industrializing. Industrialization spread into Europe and America. Due to the necessity of the Cold War, industrialization expanded into East Asia.

I believe these factors were unique and no further expansion of industrialization will occur.

Thus, I had proposed an artificial form of industrialization. Whereas the Cold War caused the natural transfer of technology, I want to use a market-based willing-seller and willing-buyer model.

I had previously suggested China should offer an Asian Union or United States of China model to Mongolia, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan.

I would like to add one more country to the list. Afghanistan should also be an eligible candidate. Afghanistan is a critical country, which connects China to Iran. If Afghanistan can be brought into the Chinese sphere then it would ensure a permanent pipeline to Iran's vast oil fields.

Also, the Iranians have indicated a willingness to move into the Chinese camp. (Citation: Iran dumps US dollar, adopts Chinese yuan for settlements | Asia First )

Establishing a permanent pathway to Iran is in China's long-term interest.

Interesting to read ...

 

[Kolaps]

Just kidding.

China industrialization is actually came from the era where Mao Zedong call it as the era of shameful backwater and barbarism.

It's the Song Dynasty Industrial Revolution.

China industry didn't came from UK nor US, Chinese people industrial spirit and concept already exist.

It was the British who learned from us, as well as our banking and money paper.

Today, we just modernized our production methodology.

 

[bolo]

Two hundred and thirty years ago, Britain started industrializing. Industrialization spread into Europe and America. Due to the necessity of the Cold War, industrialization expanded into East Asia.

I believe these factors were unique and no further expansion of industrialization will occur.

Thus, I had proposed an artificial form of industrialization. Whereas the Cold War caused the natural transfer of technology, I want to use a market-based willing-seller and willing-buyer model.

I had previously suggested China should offer an Asian Union or United States of China model to Mongolia, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan.

I would like to add one more country to the list. Afghanistan should also be an eligible candidate. Afghanistan is a critical country, which connects China to Iran. If Afghanistan can be brought into the Chinese sphere then it would ensure a permanent pipeline to Iran's vast oil fields.

Also, the Iranians have indicated a willingness to move into the Chinese camp. (Citation: Iran dumps US dollar, adopts Chinese yuan for settlements | Asia First )

Establishing a permanent pathway to Iran is in China's long-term interest.

It won't work. America and Europe have historical ties (ie. America was once ruled by Britain), plus the biggest factor is they are the same type of people. Blood is thicker than water.

 

[j20blackdragon]

I would like to add one more country to the list. Afghanistan should also be an eligible candidate. Afghanistan is a critical country, which connects China to Iran. If Afghanistan can be brought into the Chinese sphere then it would ensure a permanent pipeline to Iran's vast oil fields.

Afghanistan isn't needed at all if all you care about is pipelines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Pakistan_Economic_Corridor

 

[Shotgunner51]

Afghanistan isn't needed at all if all you care about is pipelines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Pakistan_Economic_Corridor

A great initiative to connect China to Arabian sea.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Besides, every country mentioned in the OP is already a member or an observer in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO). The next step is to turn SCO into a military alliance and free trade area.

Shanghai Cooperation Organisation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The SCO already holds annual joint military exercises. The last one was Peace Mission 2014.

My one hope is to kick India out of this alliance.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Besides, every country mentioned in the OP is already a member or an observer in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO). The next step is to turn SCO into a military alliance and free trade area.
My one hope is to kick India out of this alliance.

Yes, SCO is a good platform to start constructing the Eurasian politico-economic bloc. While economic coop tops the daily agenda (like EU, ASEAN), security coop is slowly beginning to gain importance, and that's why regarding the expansion of SCO membership, the process should be careful in selecting those who have geopolitical vision and security concerns in common with existing members.

I would say on top the exiting 6 members (China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan)
The best addition now will be:

• 
  Afghanistan
• 
  Iran
• 
  Mongolia
• 
  Pakistan
• 
  Belarus
• 
  Turkmenistan

 

[Aepsilons]

Two hundred and thirty years ago, Britain started industrializing. Industrialization spread into Europe and America. Due to the necessity of the Cold War, industrialization expanded into East Asia.

I believe these factors were unique and no further expansion of industrialization will occur.

Thus, I had proposed an artificial form of industrialization. Whereas the Cold War caused the natural transfer of technology, I want to use a market-based willing-seller and willing-buyer model.

I had previously suggested China should offer an Asian Union or United States of China model to Mongolia, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan.

I would like to add one more country to the list. Afghanistan should also be an eligible candidate. Afghanistan is a critical country, which connects China to Iran. If Afghanistan can be brought into the Chinese sphere then it would ensure a permanent pipeline to Iran's vast oil fields.

Also, the Iranians have indicated a willingness to move into the Chinese camp. (Citation: Iran dumps US dollar, adopts Chinese yuan for settlements | Asia First )

Establishing a permanent pathway to Iran is in China's long-term interest.

Japan had already industrialized before the dawn of the 20th century. And Korea -- well, Korea was industrialized by the Japanese Empire throughout the 50 years she was an Imperial Crown Colony, same goes with Taihoku (Taiwan), another Imperial Crown Colony of Japan's.

Korea and Taiwan already had the infrastructure, so after the war, they were able to jettison even further. And in regards to Taiwan, she was largely untouched by the war. Things took off from there.

Taiwan's development was more so Japanese involvement there -- even after the war -- the level of economic and industrial cooperation between the two states cannot be overstated. Taiwanese may study in the United States, but a large percentage of Taiwanese collegiates prefer to study in Japan as well.

 

[TaiShang]

Japan had already industrialized before the dawn of the 20th century. And Korea -- well, Korea was industrialized by the Japanese Empire throughout the 50 years she was an Imperial Crown Colony, same goes with Taihoku (Taiwan), another Imperial Crown Colony of Japan's.

Korea and Taiwan already had the infrastructure, so after the war, they were able to jettison even further. And in regards to Taiwan, she was largely untouched by the war. Things took off from there.

Taiwan's development was more so Japanese involvement there -- even after the war -- the level of economic and industrial cooperation between the two states cannot be overstated. Taiwanese may study in the United States, but a large percentage of Taiwanese collegiates prefer to study in Japan as well.

Japan has left an advanced infrastructure (relatively, for that era), that's undisputed. But, it is also a fact that Taiwanese migration to the US in the 70 and 80s and their subsequent return helped greatly in Taiwan's push into being a computer/tech kingdom.

China got a good boost from Taiwan's export of expertise, which would not otherwise be possible -- US would not let that happen. Would Japan do so? I am not sure.

Hence, as Martin points out very interestingly, cultural and historical ties (and even racial ties) might have played a role in the transfer of tech/know-how just as it spread across the Christendom in earlier areas.

 

[Yizhi]

the Chinese diaspora certainly helped a lot in China's road to industrialization. it's not just Taiwanese or HKer, overseas Chinese in general played a very prominent role.

Inside The Sinosphere: China's New "Diaspora" Economy - Forbes
China's Return Migration and its Impact on Home Development | UN Chronicle

 

[Shotgunner51]

@TaiShang @Nihonjin1051 @Martian2

Yes those are facts as you both mentioned. Taking that into account, about Martian2's 3 waves of industrialization, my view is as below:

1st wave "Industrial revolution": Industrial revolution started in GB around 1800, spread over to W-Europe, US and Japan within a few decades.

2nd wave "Re-build": Post WWII, since 1945, US helped war-devastated W-Europe and Japan to re-industrialize.

3rd wave "Flying-Geese Paradigm": By 1960's Japan set the role model for 4 East Asian dragons to industrialize

4th wave "Hans": From 1980's Taiwan, HK and overseas Chinese helped sparked off industrialization in China.

5th wave "???": From 2020's China to ????​

 

[terranMarine]

Japan has left an advanced infrastructure (relatively, for that era), that's undisputed. But, it is also a fact that Taiwanese migration to the US in the 70 and 80s and their subsequent return helped greatly in Taiwan's push into being a computer/tech kingdom.

China got a good boost from Taiwan's export of expertise, which would not otherwise be possible -- US would not let that happen. Would Japan do so? I am not sure.

Hence, as Martin points out very interestingly, cultural and historical ties (and even racial ties) might have played a role in the transfer of tech/know-how just as it spread across the Christendom in earlier areas.

I believe it's true what you have stated here, plenty Taiwanese who graduated in the IT field did made it big after returning back to Taiwan. All the pc hardware components are dominated by Taiwanese brands and our island is known as one of the leaders in chip industry. Sometimes i think it's good Taiwan became separated from Mainland otherwise Taiwan wouldn't be where it is now. Their expertise exported to Mainland did gave us some boost.