Three Indian Firms Among World's Most Innovative Companies

[jamahir]

and have the balls to accuse me of personal attacks.

here is one example from this very page...

From the looks of the 5 pages we have an equivalent of a Water Car Engineer amidst our presence. @Skull and Bones @Rain Man

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speaking of "water car engineers", here is a real water-fueled car ( The sports car that runs on SALTWATER: Vehicle goes from 0 to 60mph in 2.8 seconds - and has just been approved for EU roads | Daily Mail Online )... why do you think a indian giant company like tata could not come up with it??

Make a 20 billion industry, and then come back.

as expected, you believe in a technological idea only when someone has done it and not before.

now, how about you convincing the indian government to fund you for your super-lens factory, or are you lacking in confidence in approaching them.

don't bother answering me.

i must say again... you people are obsessed in hating me.

 

[Skull and Bones]

as expected, you believe in a technological idea only when someone has done it and not before.

now, how about you convincing the indian government to fund you for your super-lens factory, or are you lacking in confidence in approaching them.

don't bother answering me.

i must say again... you people are obsessed in hating me.

How much funding you got till now for your super duper microprocessor which will put thousands of workers in Intel and AMD out of jobs, come back with an answer.

 

[RoadRunner401]

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WASHINGTON: Three Indian companies figure in Forbes' annual list of The World's Most Innovative Companies topped by Tesla Motors, leading maker of fully electric vehicles.

Ranked 41st, Hindustan Unilever, India-based fast moving consumer goods company, tops the list of Indian Innovative Companies.

It operates in seven business segments ranging from soaps and detergents to tea and coffee and packaged foods.

It's followed by Tata Consultancy Services in the 64th spot. India's largest IT company appears on the list for the eighth time.

It took a major step toward bolstering its digital services with a training programme in digital technologies for a third of its workforce.

Ranked 71st, Sun Pharma Industries, India's largest drugs company, with 45 manufacturing sites across the globe, appears on the list for the fourth straight time.

Worldwide, Salesforce.com has been pushed to the No. 2 spot for the first time in five years. Alexion Pharmaceuticals follows at No. 3 for the fourth consecutive year.

Rounding out the top five are Regeneron Pharmaceuticals at No. 4 and ARM Holdings at No. 5.

The rankings are based on, what the US business magazine calls an innovation premium (IP), the difference between a firm's enterprise value and a net present value of cash flows from its existing businesses.
Three Indian Firms Among World's Most Innovative Companies -The New Indian Express

Oh for the love of God, Unilever is a British-Dutch multinational consumer goods company co-headquartered in Rotterdam, Netherlands, and London, United Kingdom. Its products include food, beverages, cleaning agents and personal care products.

Subsidiaries : Hindustan Unilever, Ben & jerry's & More

Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc. is a biotechnology company headquartered in Tarrytown, New York. The company was founded in 1988.

Alexion Pharmaceuticals Inc. is an American pharmaceutical company best known for its development of Soliris, a drug used to treat the rare disorders atypical hemolytic uremic syndrome and paroxysmal nocturnal hemoglobinuria

ARM Holdings plc is a British multinational semiconductor and software design company with its head office in Cambridge, England.

 

[MilSpec]

speaking of "water car engineers", here is a real water-fueled car ( The sports car that runs on SALTWATER: Vehicle goes from 0 to 60mph in 2.8 seconds - and has just been approved for EU roads | Daily Mail Online )... why do you think a indian giant company like tata could not come up with it??

It's quite evident that you lack basic comprehension... look up what flow cell battery is , 8th grade Lenz law....but the again.... who am I arguing with....

Post one paper that you hav published and then we'll talk

 

[Skull and Bones]

speaking of "water car engineers", here is a real water-fueled car ( The sports car that runs on SALTWATER: Vehicle goes from 0 to 60mph in 2.8 seconds - and has just been approved for EU roads | Daily Mail Online )... why do you think a indian giant company like tata could not come up with it??

Tata AirPod Compressed-Air Car To Launch In Hawaii This Year: Report

Tata's take on clean energy fueled car.

 

[jamahir]

Tata AirPod Compressed-Air Car To Launch In Hawaii This Year: Report

Tata's take on clean energy fueled car.

wasn't the designer a french-man??

besides, from your source...

Compressed air isn't really dense enough to provide much energy storage, making it difficult to adapt for use in even a very small, very light-weight car.

so it is impractical.

It's quite evident that you lack basic comprehension... look up what flow cell battery is , 8th grade Lenz law....but the again.... who am I arguing with....

you are trying to obfuscate.

Post one paper that you hav published and then we'll talk

there are countless in india who have published papers in the computing field... go ask them their ( if any ) contribution to computing.

go through this thread ( no invention from India in 60 years: n. r. narayana murthy ).

How much funding you got till now for your super duper microprocessor which will put thousands of workers in Intel and AMD out of jobs, come back with an answer.

i am sure drdo has enough funding.

go ask drdo where is its sooper dooper operating system which it had promised in 2010 ( Saraswat: DRDO working on India's own computer operating system - The Hindu ).

from 2012, ( Indian OS developed by DRDO likely to be ready in three years - timesofindia-economictimes )...

alongwith other premier institutes is developing India's own operating system (OS), which is likely to be ready in next three years.

so where is it??

He said 150 engineers were working across the country on creating Indian OS, and added it will take at least three more years for getting the Indian OS ready.

"It is our Indian effort...we are not having any foreign involvement in this," Saraswat pointed out.

@MilSpec , you will find many of these sooper dooper engineers having "published papers"... you should go ask what have they actually achieved... where is the promised indian operating from drdo?? it should have been demonstrated by now... it has been five years.

 

[dray]

no wonder these people hate islam and modern socialism

Awwww!!! Now you are really desperate!!! Calling @waz and @Irfan Baloch and screaming "these people hate Islam"....really??

Now calm down, 'hate' is a strong emotion, there isn't enough reason to hate anybody in an internet forum, I don't hate you. I am just seeking further clarifications on your own ideas.

Now, try to give clear and specific answers to these three questions for the benefit of mankind:

Question 1. How exactly your currency-less socialism going to work? I have asked you this questions maybe twice or thrice in last one year, never got an answer. You said it won't be a barter system. So give me a clear, unambiguous, to the point answer...convince me....and I will rally behind your currency-less socialism....both online and offline.
You need to find acceptance of your idea to promote it, for that you need to convince people...so begin with me here.

Question 2. You are against:

a. Formal education and degrees
b. Jobs (coolie jobs, slaves...to be specific)
c. Businesses (evil capitalist profit making businesses...again to be specific)
d. Lastly, you are against the very idea of 'earning'

Now, you don't need any of the above as you can just 'get by'...that's not a bad thing at all...I don't know why you are reacting, but many prominent people just 'get by', just look at Rahul Gandhi, he will become the President of one of our largest and oldest political party, he might even become our PM....he just 'get by', but does he react?

But....unfortunately most of the population can't really afford to just 'get by'.....silly responsibilities, you know! So, they go through the stupid process of getting formal education and degrees>jobs or businesses>earning. Most of the innovators, researchers, visionaries come through this process only.....but let's just ignore them and focus on your method......just give me a clear cut road-map for one who doesn't have the option to 'get by', unlike you, but can still follow your chosen path and avoid the above-mentioned four vices. Again, be clear, unambiguous, and to the point.

Question 3. Let's talk about your revolutionary clock-less microprocessor and the operation system that you are supposedly designing....okay, let's not use the word 'supposedly'.....you are designing.
So far it seems that you are 'working' on it for last one year or so...you have got some books and diagrams, but those are not your creations.....you have probably made some 'word documents'.....now that's your creation, I suppose!
Have you reached the patent stage? I doubt, just 'word documents' towards designing a revolutionary clock-less microprocessor and the operation system seems to be a fairly nascent stage, rather it hasn't started yet.
Any journal you have published? Peer review?
What about funding, you need considerable funding for making it, running it, testing it, right? Any clear cut road map for that?
When the actual work will start? When it will end?
What will be the usage of it?
Why people should adopt your product and discard the existing ones?
What would be the value addition?
What will be completely revolutionary that doesn't exist now? How people will benefit from it?
You said it will be free for all, who will make it for free?
I know that's too many questions, but you are heading nowhere if you don't have the answers.


Expecting clear cut, unambiguous, to the point answers from you.

 

[ni8mare]

What about funding, you need considerable funding for making it, running it, testing it, right? Any clear cut road map for that?
When the actual work will start? When it will end?
What will be the usage of it?
Why people should adopt your product and discard the existing ones?
What would be the value addition?
What will be completely revolutionary that doesn't exist now? How people will benefit from it?
I know that's too many questions, but you are heading nowhere if you don't have the answers.


Expecting clear cut, unambiguous, to the point answers from you.

in addition to that who will make those clockless microprocessor ...capitalist manufacture like intel, or socialist manufacture like ..i don't know any name

 

[rubyjackass]

TCS has not innovated anything, Period. They write software and maintain systems for their clients. Zero innovation except probably in delivery management, which is a science practised by Mumbai's dabbawalas. So yes, @jamahir is right.

 

[MilSpec]

@MilSpec , you will find many of these sooper dooper engineers having "published papers"... you should go ask what have they actually achieved... where is the promised indian operating from drdo?? it should have been demonstrated by now... it has been five years.

They can defend thier own work.......what have you achieved to critique them?

 

[jamahir]

They can defend thier own work

but you are defending drdo's work ( or non-work ) here.

.......what have you achieved to critique them?

again, where is their operating system almost five years after grand announcement by their chief?? so why should they not be critiqued or criticized??

you were the first to give me negative rating one year ago... then, i had questioned the indian it industry the same as i do now... there are millions employed by that industry... so, in the last one year what has been their achievement??

although last month came up this question ( no invention from India in 60 years: n. r. narayana murthy )... where is your answer to it??

Now calm down

no, you three calm down... it is you three who flew into misplaced outrage because i happened to question the validity of the the indian it industry.

two other members have also questioned the inclusion of tcs in the innovators list... why didn't you answer them "calmly"??

'hate' is a strong emotion, there isn't enough reason to hate anybody in an internet forum

1. yet you surround a single man like thugs, for seven pages.

2. if internet forums are something to be not taken seriously, why do you visit one such??

Question 1. How exactly your currency-less socialism going to work? I have asked you this questions maybe twice or thrice in last one year, never got an answer. You said it won't be a barter system. So give me a clear, unambiguous, to the point answer...convince me....and I will rally behind your currency-less socialism....both online and offline.

you are complicating what is a simple idea... there is nothing called "currency-less socialism" which will stand against "socialism"... human society without money system is only the next stage after what was/is already in societies like ussr, libya and dprk... india hasn't reached the first stage so it must be difficult for you to imagine the next stage.

there is a document which will be posted in the fullness of time... hopefully, there is another member who will lend his name to it.

you have got some books and diagrams, but those are not your creations

you got confused... those books and diagrams are my own... point the post where i said they are somebody elses.

Have you reached the patent stage?

the project is meant to be open-source... so no patent will be filed.

Any journal you have published? Peer review?

"peer review".

so infosys, tcs and drdo will be "peer reviewing" a microprocessor design, that too of clock-less nature which is not popular in commercial circles??

as for "journal publication", i am sure among the millions employed in the indian it industry, at least tens of thousands have published something in journals... if you go ask them their achievement, this will be the result ( no invention from India in 60 years: n. r. narayana murthy ).

What about funding, you need considerable funding for making it

for demonstration purposes, either one writes a emulator on a existent os or one uses a fpga board ( which costs approx 1.25 lakhs )... i wonder why the millions strong indian it industry did not do it.

Any clear cut road map for that?

What would be the value addition?

"road map" and "value addition" are terms that depict that you are not ready to imagine anything that is not commercially available.

tell me, are you wanting to fund my project that you ask so many questions??

people like you are actually reason why socialism gets a bad name

did you support socialism prior to seeing my posts??

in addition to that who will make those clockless microprocessor ...capitalist manufacture like intel, or socialist manufacture like ..i don't know any name

maybe i should reply with this quote of lenin - "the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them".

 

[Post Colonnial]

I was a bit surprised to see TCS in the list but on checking with the Forbes.com description of the algorithm they used, it became clear why. BTW this is the 8th time TCS has made the list so no need for surprise. Personally I am not sure I'd call this list 'innovative companies' but rather, the list of companies that investors think are most likely to succeed in future.

@jamahir - saw your question about O/S development. Don't know why you feel that is so important but I am aware of at least one O/S that an Indian company called Patni developed for a Japanese mini-computer maker in early 1980s. It was then hailed as a pioneering one since it was one of the very first 32-bit O/S. If your point is that so called IT majors of India make their mega-money through labor cost arbitrage and not technological innovation, that is absolutely true. They do not invest in R&D. But that has to do with some historical facts, which I am not sure if you are aware of.

In the first 3 decades of commercial computers (1965-1980) IBM dominated globally. Indians were just graduating in electronics, and computer science from the elite institutions. Having missed widespread education due to the mughals and brits, the whole of real education for knowledge on a non-exceptional basis started only in late 1950s! But we had to invest in so many fields and bootstrap ourselves in a hurry that certain sciences took precedence over others, either by chance or intent.

So you should really be proud of how much Indians have accomplished in the short span of 1990 to 2010 in the field of software. Not only swimming against the weight of 1000 years of slavery level education but also a very poor large population and corrupt political organizations!

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir - saw your question about O/S development. Don't know why you feel that is so important

design of unique operating system and microprocessor is a sign of mature computer industry or intelligentsia in a country.

but I am aware of at least one O/S that an Indian company called Patni developed for a Japanese mini-computer maker in early 1980s. It was then hailed as a pioneering one since it was one of the very first 32-bit O/S.

patni indeed was a old company... a cousin of mine worked there at one point though in the limited discussions we had, he didn't mentioned this thing.

give me link to this os.

a qnx version ( microkernel architecture ) was one of the first 32-bit os'es... let me see how patni's os compares to qnx.

so why didn't patni ( now igate ) continue this development to branch off into a new os??

If your point is that so called IT majors of India make their mega-money through labor cost arbitrage and not technological innovation, that is absolutely true. They do not invest in R&D.

innovation does not initially take millions of dollars... a fpga board takes only approx 1.25 lakhs to emulate a processor that is one is designing, but the thing is one should have been designing a microprocessor first.

infosys has at least 80,000 employees now... in the 30+ years of existence, could it not set a ten member team for design of a os or microprocessor??

But that has to do with some historical facts, which I am not sure if you are aware of. In the first 3 decades of commercial computers (1965-1980) IBM dominated globally. Indians were just graduating in electronics, and computer science from the elite institutions. Having missed widespread education due to the mughals and brits, the whole of real education for knowledge on a non-exceptional basis started only in late 1950s! But we had to invest in so many fields and bootstrap ourselves in a hurry that certain sciences took precedence over others, either by chance or intent.

what do mughals and brits have to do with drdo not able to write a operating system in 2015??

So you should really be proud of how much Indians have accomplished in the short span of 1990 to 2010 in the field of software. Not only swimming against the weight of 1000 years of slavery level education but also a very poor large population and corrupt political organizations!

are you a bjp supporter??

 

[Post Colonnial]

design of unique operating system and microprocessor is a sign of mature computer industry or intelligentsia in a country.

Why? Writing an O/S is not a big deal. I was a member of the Computer Society of India, Operating Systems chapter, for a several years. We reviewed numerous O/S designs and did pick a few outstanding ideas that are now incorporated in all major O/Ss. That is how O/Ss grow, by extensions and expansions. It makes very little sense to design completely from scratch O/S because ultimately all O/S functions are limited to a handful of goals such as task management, messaging management, memory management and interrupts management.

Microprocessor design - that I agree with your point that India should invest in and develop and innovate a lot more. There were a few baby steps taken in the 1980-1990s (including a fab in Chandigarh) but that script was lost after that.

patni indeed was a old company... a cousin of mine worked there at one point though in the limited discussions we had, he didn't mentioned this thing.

give me link to this os.

I have no idea where to get a link for that. May be if you research CSI archives you will find something. remember Google ad internet did not exist until a 15/20 yrs ago! World did exist before that.

And may be your cousin didn't keep his ears to he ground while in Patni!

a qnx version ( microkernel architecture ) was one of the first 32-bit os'es... let me see how patni's os compares to qnx.

don't be silly. QNX is nothing but a real time Unix. I have used it and it is very good and until a decade or so ago, was one of the few good commercially available O/Ss when I had to frame trxs from numerous real time signals. There are quite a few alternatives available these days, so we don't have to all pick QNX. We liked using QNX those days because it had a very small memory footprint and we could train systems programmers easily on it since it was basically Unix. I don't know what point you are trying to make about 'microkernal'. It'd be a foolish waste of time trying to compare O/Ss without a purpose. What exactly are you seeking one for? If you are looking for a good r.t O/S look up WindRiver.

so why didn't patni ( now igate ) continue this development to branch off into a new os??

Probably, same reason why hundreds of companies around the globe stopped wasting efforts on writing O/Ss. There is no market or unique purpose to be served. Especially when DOS/Windows took over the desktop, Unix took over minis and DOS/VS/360 took over mainframes.

There is more money to be made in designing new and stylish faucets than innovating on behind the wall plumbing pipes!

innovation does not initially take millions of dollars... a fpga board takes only approx 1.25 lakhs to emulate a processor that is one is designing, but the thing is one should have been designing a microprocessor first.

infosys has at least 80,000 employees now... in the 30+ years of existence, could it not set a ten member team for design of a os or microprocessor??

Yes, TCS, INFY etc can afford to but do not invest anywhere near adequately in R&D. But if they ask me I wouldn't advise them to do O/S R&D; there are many other more important subjects.

what do mughals and brits have to do with drdo not able to write a operating system in 2015??

It is to do with wealth of nations and education.

are you a bjp supporter??

No. I have been away from India and have very little personal stakes there, do have family there, do visit often. From what I hear from my associates and family and friends, they have all gotten disenchanted with Congress and are hoping Modi will be able to 'somehow' transform India like he did Gujarath. I do not see a lot of people talk about BJP but everyone talks about Modi. Frankly it is scary that one man is carrying the weight of such expectations.

But, for a poor impoverished country such as India, any leader who is able to stem corruption and give a message of hope is a good I think, especially after the disaster that Congress became in the last 5+ years of their tenure.

If you live in India, perhaps you can provide a personal view?

 

[MilSpec]

again, where is their operating system almost five years after grand announcement by their chief?? so why should they not be critiqued or criticized??

you were the first to give me negative rating one year ago... then, i had questioned the indian it industry the same as i do now... there are millions employed by that industry... so, in the last one year what has been their achievement??

although last month came up this question ( no invention from India in 60 years: n. r. narayana murthy )... where is your answer to it??

The question was what have you achieved, not what have they achieved... and from your answer it's evident - Zilch.... Who are you, what credibility do you have, what do you know of their milestones....