Three Indian Firms Among World's Most Innovative Companies

[dray]

yes, coming on a international forum and being vulgarly hyper-nationalist certainly will help indian farmers...

three sanghi members surrounding a lone socialist in the manner of three unspeakables surrounding a cat will certainly save indian farmers...

what a idiot !!



ghanta responsibility !!

huzoor-e-aala, for the nth time, are you a coward that you find comfort in being part of the sanghi majority on pdf rather than joining a progressive political movement??

answer me, will you??



i want you to visit each of the below sites and tell them what you said to me above... and post here copies of the mails/messages you have sent...

Aam Aadmi Party

Official website of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation

За Каддафи и его народ | Меня невозможно убить, я в сердцах миллионов

Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela
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start on monday and compose/send a message each day... post on pdf each message you send and if any reply from them.

failure to do this exercise will declare you to be a coward at best... remember, a international audience watches you on pdf.

Not interested in your blabbering....you are free to live a life you see fit, just don't demean others who are working honestly and contributing to the society, without them this world would have remained a land of primates and cave-dwellers.

 

[Sky lord]

Now, when that thingy happened? You know, actually you are not fooling around, you are clinically delusional, you should seek professional help before it's too late (probably it is already..).

You may have just hit the nail squarely on the head. This is more than simple lack of comprehension. Several times it has been explained to him that there is no need to reinvent the wheel...yet he asks again " why don't you create a better OS". Several times it has been explained to him that it is his demeaning attitude and calling people slaves and coolies for working a job that people object to...but again he whines " all I did was criticize the software industry" and these strange obsessions...this is truly a little insane ! Logic washes over without any impact.

My last post. Over and out.

 

[dray]

yet he asks again " why don't you create a better OS"

He is not even clear about whether it should be better or not, or better in what parameters, in fact what is "Better".....as per him companies just should create an OS just for the sake of creating it.

If he had some sense, he would have asked himself why Linux has a minuscule market share in spite of it being free and actually better than Windows in some aspects. Linux is backed by some resourceful companies and quite a large pool of developers, if they couldn't cut it, how would he?

Even Google with its huge resources couldn't succeed in the desktop OS market. Business decisions are not taken with delusional egos, companies find a niche and invest as per their area of strength.

 

[temp1994]

@temp1994 now you have failed too, that head has a defunct processor.

This idi0t @jamahir could not understand that Microsoft has an army of coders and each windows is a product of probably more than a million man hours. Every kink in a successful OS would require thousands of man-hours to make it happen.

And all mainstream OS ,whether it is Windows or iOS or Android, work well enough for their devices that there is no demand and thus no real need to waste resources on a new OS. And neither I, nor any other sane individual would waste his time in trying to replace an already successful product with a homegrown inferior quality one.

Let his mommy's money run out. He too would learn the futility of wasting resources on redundant products good only for hookwinding people at Chai khokha.

 

[dray]

This idi0t @jamahir could not understand that Microsoft has an army of coders and each windows is a product of probably more than a million man hours. Every kink in a successful OS would require thousands of man-hours to make it happen.

And all mainstream OS ,whether it is Windows or iOS or Android, work well enough for their devices that there is no demand and thus no real need to waste resources on a new OS. And neither I, nor any other sane individual would waste his time in trying to replace an already successful product with a homegrown inferior quality one.

Let his mommy's money run out. He too would learn the futility of wasting resources on redundant products good only for hookwinding people at Chai khokha.

Btw, his primary goal is to make a revolutionary clockless microprocessor, the OS is to seal the deal.

But don't worry, he is not wasting a single paisa on it, because he is actually not making anything, neither he has any clue about how to make one.

 

[jamahir]

This idi0t @jamahir could not understand that Microsoft has an army of coders and each windows is a product of probably more than a million man hours. Every kink in a successful OS would require thousands of man-hours to make it happen.

janaab abu jaahil,

1. if os designs are simplified, it would be easier to debug any kinks... windows and linux are unnecessarily complicated and huge and that is why they are not reliable either during development or after... linux can be reduced and modified to make it more reliable yes but then it wouldn't matter if linux if thrown away then and replaced with a proper "real-time" os like qnx... simple and time-saving... but if linux is still used, it would be primarily for economic reasons.

2. the first version of qnx os was designed and written by two people... they started in 1980 and finished in 1982... it was based on microkernel architecture which then had nobody else making commercial releases available then... so they were pioneers.

presently, the number of qnx employees number 900+ i think.

qnx, may i say, is probably the best commercial os presently, with a faster user interface and good reliability generally... windows and linux ( whichever distro ) are no match for qnx... yes, qnx wasn't marketed more efficiently and novelly... qnx company didn't in better way sit on hardware design committees of the industry.

infosys started one year after qnx company, has now 80,000+ employees i think of which 70,000+ would be engineers ( graduates, post graduates, phds )... could this company not find a single person to design a os??

now, don't shout mba nonsense like "man hours"... try to answer to my simple question.

He is not even clear about whether it should be better or not

didn't i say this...

so why don't you and your friend design a os better than windows or qnx for that matter?? contact drdo and take contract from them... what is stopping you if designing os is everyday work??

or better in what parameters, in fact what is "Better"

1. a simple, practical and elegant user interface... no fancy unnecessary stuff like 3d desktop etc which takes 2 gb ram... the user interface should run within 16 mb.

2. a simpler application environment

3. simplified graphics architecture.

4. a simplified network architecture, architecturely and technically, which doesn't

5. a simplified i/o architecture, which will be enabled by simplified computer construction.

If he had some sense, he would have asked himself why Linux has a minuscule market share in spite of it being free and actually better than Windows in some aspects. Linux is backed by some resourceful companies and quite a large pool of developers, if they couldn't cut it, how would he?

see my reference to qnx.

Even Google with its huge resources couldn't succeed in the desktop OS market.

google didn't even attempt to design/write a os from scratch, they simply did created yet another distro of linux ( Chrome OS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).

again, if all it took was big funds and big teams to design a os, infosys would have done it 15 years ago.

Business decisions are not taken with delusional egos, companies find a niche and invest as per their area of strength.

it is not "delusional" but day-dreaming egos that lead to organizations like spacex... give me a indian equivalent.

 

[dray]

presently, the number of qnx employees number 900+ i think.

infosys started one year after qnx company, has now 80,000+ employees i think of which 70,000+ would be engineers ( graduates, post graduates, phds )... could this company not find a single person to design a os??

Add to that, qnx got sold in 2010 for $200 million.
Today Infosys has a market cap of over $40 billion.

In case of business, success is measured by the money it makes.

no fancy unnecessary stuff like 3d desktop etc

Who told you that fancy stuff like 3d desktop etc. are unnecessary? Why do you think people buy branded or designer clothes, or precious jewelry and costly watches?

 

[Skull and Bones]

Btw, his primary goal is to make a revolutionary clockless microprocessor, the OS is to seal the deal.

But don't worry, he is not wasting a single paisa on it, because he is actually not making anything, neither he has any clue about how to make one.

There is nothing revolutionary about clock-less microprocessor, in fact it got sidelined after the evolution of clocked microprocessors. In fact, the first generation of microprocessors were all clock less, because of their sizes, there wasn't any notion of universal clock, as the clock signals would have been skewed hence destroying the sync in the circuits. And @jamahir lied when he said that IC design giants like Intel aren't trying to develop clockless ICs, the last genuine effort to develop asynchronous microprocessor was made in 1995 in the project called 'Rappid', but it failed to provide any significant advantages compared to other microprocessors of it's time, apart from requiring reduced power. Which would have been lost eventually because asynchronous circuits requires additional logic compared to clocked circuits, hence those additional logic will consume power, even when idle, and the size constraint will be in effect to accommodate all the logic in a single die. hence Intel killed the project after evaluating all the constraints.

But some people are too dumb to understand commercialization of products, and its potential usability and targeted markets.

 

[jamahir]

Who told you that fancy stuff like 3d desktop etc. are unnecessary? Why do you think people buy branded or designer clothes, or precious jewelry and costly watches?

i wear cuff-links, which items are not that usual among male populations anywhere... i choose those cuff-links that are not flashy but are simple and elegant, and the lowest priced ones are something around 1200 rupees, the higher priced ones going something like 7000 rupees ( swavrovski ).

add to that my gentleman's garb.

some cocky manager type from infosys may wear higher priced nike shoes ( 31,000 rupees ), carry a iphone 6 ( 51,000 rupees ), and the usual levi jeans and t-shirt.

but if he stands in front of me, i will be the one stylish and elegant.

there is a difference between (a). style, simplicity, elegance, (b). unnecessary fashion gimmickery.

Today Infosys has a market cap of over $40 billion.

if we must go that way...

from ( SpaceX Stock: How Much Is It Worth? )...

What's more, SpaceX's own website seems to imply closer to $1 billion in annual sales. (In a jobs ad for "corporate operations," SpaceX describes itself as a "nearly $5 billion revenue operation" today.

SpaceX also boasts a backlog of $7 billion worth of contracts to be performed for its customers, launching satellites into outer space, and ferrying supplies to the International Space Station. That's more money than SpaceX ever made in its past 12 years.

So if we apply, say, a 1.2 times sales valuation to SpaceX, the stock should be worth at least $1.2 billion today.

from ( When Will SpaceX Stock Hit the Market? )...

But there's a big obstacle preventing investors from snapping up SpaceX shares: it is still privately held and hasn't made any announcements to change…

no doubt, infosys is lot richer than spacex in immediate money and in stocks ( spacex in not even public ), but we must question which among the two companies needs to remain... similarly compare infosys with qnx company.

i will leave it at that.

There is nothing revolutionary about clock-less microprocessor

clock-less may not be revolutionary by itself but it will bring simplicity to the current economic/technological computer industry scene.

in fact it got sidelined after the evolution of clocked microprocessors. In fact, the first generation of microprocessors were all clock less, because of their sizes, there wasn't any notion of universal clock, as the clock signals would have been skewed hence destroying the sync in the circuits.

can you tell me the advantage of clocked instruction execution over clock-less??

And @jamahir lied when he said that IC design giants like Intel aren't trying to develop clockless ICs, the last genuine effort to develop asynchronous microprocessor was made in 1995 in the project called 'Rappid'

hah !!

from ( ARM offers first clockless processor core | EE Times )...

2/8/2006 03:00 PM EST

LONDON — As expected processor licensor ARM Holdings plc and Handshake Solutions NV, a Royal Philips Electronics subsidiary, have developed an asynchronous processor based on the ARM9 core. The ARM996HS is thought to be the first commercial clockless processor and is being described as particular suited to use as an automotive microcontroller.

but it failed to provide any significant advantages compared to other microprocessors of it's time, apart from requiring reduced power. Which would have been lost eventually because asynchronous circuits requires additional logic compared to clocked circuits, hence those additional logic will consume power, even when idle, and the size constraint will be in effect to accommodate all the logic in a single gate. hence Intel killed the project after evaluating all the constraints.

why didn't intel redesign their instruction set architecture, i/o system and memory system to be simplified and efficient??

it could have been two reasons...

1. they were scared of losing market via introducing a processor for which board manufacturers would have to slightly change layout and os designers would have had to redesign kernel, os and application environment.

2. they simply couldn't think of another processor architecture... for example, doesn't the soviet/russian elbrus processor architecture lend itself to intel's pentium and itanium processors??

 

[Kaniska]

tata consultancy services ( tcs )??

it is a software coolie company which last december removed 35,000+ people in a cruel manner just because the company doesn't have money to pay them salaries and so is downsizing.

and what innovation?? did tcs design a operating system or microprocessor or a new kind of computer or a new internet architecture or new kind of storage device or new method or computing?? what have they innovated??

Spot on..NOt only TCS...All these outsourcing companies are nothing but high end daily wager company...At least TCS is better that job stability is better than others..

 

[Sky lord]

i wear cuff-links, which items are not that usual among male populations anywhere... i choose those cuff-links that are not flashy but are simple and elegant, and the lowest priced ones are something around 1200 rupees, the higher priced ones going something like 7000 rupees ( swavrovski ).

add to that my gentleman's garb.

some cocky manager type from infosys may wear higher priced nike shoes ( 31,000 rupees ), carry a iphone 6 ( 51,000 rupees ), and the usual levi jeans and t-shirt.

but if he stands in front of me, i will be the one stylish and elegant.

there is a difference between (a). style, simplicity, elegance, (b). unnecessary fashion gimmickery.

Jamahir, follow the argument instead of getting distracted by every shiny object. As already stated several times business are driven by MARKETS not by TASTE.

Taste is always personal, relative and very temporal. You may like your cuff links but if you are the only one who likes them, there is no sustainable market for them . The Infosys employee who you look down your nose at will not buy it! his money will stay in his pocket. Personally I do not like cuff links, I think they are a foppish affectation, and I will not wear your Savorosky crystal cuff links for love or money. Again business is driven to markets not to superior taste, in fact most business cater to really BAD taste.

 

[dray]

i wear cuff-links, which items are not that usual among male populations anywhere... i choose those cuff-links that are not flashy but are simple and elegant, and the lowest priced ones are something around 1200 rupees, the higher priced ones going something like 7000 rupees ( swavrovski ).

add to that my gentleman's garb.

some cocky manager type from infosys may wear higher priced nike shoes ( 31,000 rupees ), carry a iphone 6 ( 51,000 rupees ), and the usual levi jeans and t-shirt.

but if he stands in front of me, i will be the one stylish and elegant.

there is a difference between (a). style, simplicity, elegance, (b). unnecessary fashion gimmickery.

As I said, people spend on visually appealing things also, taste may differ. That's why those 'fancy stuff' on mainstream OSs have its need along with performance. Why do always you need the same things to be repeated over and over again?

if we must go that way...

from ( SpaceX Stock: How Much Is It Worth? )...

from ( When Will SpaceX Stock Hit the Market? )...

no doubt, infosys is lot richer than spacex in immediate money and in stocks ( spacex in not even public ), but we must question which among the two companies needs to remain... similarly compare infosys with qnx company.

i will leave it at that.

End of the day Infosys is far more successful than qnx due to sound business decisions. But to hell with qnx or spacex or infosys......what you are doing? What have you achieved in last one year or more, since the time you are supposedly designing that microprocessor and OS on a word document?

There is nothing revolutionary about clock-less microprocessor, in fact it got sidelined after the evolution of clocked microprocessors. In fact, the first generation of microprocessors were all clock less, because of their sizes, there wasn't any notion of universal clock, as the clock signals would have been skewed hence destroying the sync in the circuits. And @jamahir lied when he said that IC design giants like Intel aren't trying to develop clockless ICs, the last genuine effort to develop asynchronous microprocessor was made in 1995 in the project called 'Rappid', but it failed to provide any significant advantages compared to other microprocessors of it's time, apart from requiring reduced power. Which would have been lost eventually because asynchronous circuits requires additional logic compared to clocked circuits, hence those additional logic will consume power, even when idle, and the size constraint will be in effect to accommodate all the logic in a single die. hence Intel killed the project after evaluating all the constraints.

But some people are too dumb to understand commercialization of products, and its potential usability and targeted markets.

He lied, or he was totally clueless about it, and I don't have much faith on his level of knowledge.

 

[Skull and Bones]

He lied, or he was totally clueless about it, and I don't have much faith on his level of knowledge.

What irks me is his constant blabbering with insufficient knowledge, Intel tried and failed to see any advantage in clockless ICs, Philips tried and failed to market their product, and even for a 400 MHz IC, the surface area penalty was more than 22%. Compare that to a present day ICs of 3 GHz, are penalty will be more than 600-800%.

But then again, I'm waiting for some absurd logic of inefficient design, and afraid of loosing 1000s of coolie designers if Async ICs were implemented.