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This Is What the Modi Sarkar Has Done to Indian Muslims

organization attempt will be detected and sabotaged, like kashmir

What option else the Indian Muslims have but to organize themselves! Indian Muslims must "try" to become a decent majority in "some areas" than to remain a decent minority through out every electoral constituency of India. In the next few decades there must be an intentional desire amongst the community to reorganize themselves.

Though I am no expert but I think, southern states, Hyderabad and maybe Bengal etc would be more welcoming to Muslims than UP/Delhi/Gujrat etc.
 
I agree that at least in Bombay the word "katue" might not be used but we all know the difficulties that Muslims face when renting or purchasing houses. It has happened with Shabana Azmi too.

I am now logging-off. I will reply to your post tomorrow.

Again I'd say this is media highlighting Muslims, whereas everyone faces this problem due to cooperative society law as Managing committee think they own the society and frame obnoxious rules. I don't know about Shabana Azmi case but there are lot of buildings in Mumbai where even having money does not ensure you can buy the property forget religion, eg. Samudra Mahal, lodha Altamount etc :D
 
https://thewire.in/communalism/this-is-what-the-modi-sarkar-has-done-to-indian-muslims

This Is What the Modi Sarkar Has Done to Indian Muslims
Indian Muslims are being stripped of their Indian identity even as they are blamed for not being Indian enough.

man.jpg

"With passing time, and with limited choice, my identity got established. I was a Muslim. Nothing less and nothing more." Photo: Public domain


Anonymous
COMMUNALISM
08/JUL/2020
Studying at Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) in the 1990s, my first physical fight was with a Muslim Kashmiri boy during the telecast of an India-Pakistan cricket match on the hostel TV set. He kept supporting Pakistan even when our team was playing better cricket.

I was a total nationalist. I loved war movies depicting Indian victory. A lump rose in my throat every time I heard the song ‘Sare jahan se achha Hindustan humara’. My heartbreaks when India lost crucial cricket matches were the talk of the town. All in all, my heart bled for India and I decided to stay put here even when most of my allegedly ‘non-patriotic’ Muslim friends and axiomatically ‘patriotic’ Hindu friends opted to leave for greener pastures in the West.

On another front, my liberal views made me stand out in a place like AMU. The sarcastic term to describe Muslims like me was ‘liberated’. I felt pride in the fact that I was both Muslim and ‘liberated’. Identity was a matter of choice for me. It happens when you are privileged.

Times changed. India changed. The demolition of the Babri Masjid, the Gujarat pogrom, rising communal tension, and finally a regime change. All this cast a disturbing shadow on my identity. For the first time in my life I started feeling more and more Muslim. The mirror of privilege to choose an identity had suddenly cracked. With a typical Muslim name, I found it impossible to rent a home in a metropolitan city. On learning my name, people’s expressions would alter, and suspicious glances would be exchanged. Conversations hushed as I entered my office. With passing time, and with limited choice, my identity got established. I was a Muslim. Nothing less and nothing more.

Also read: ‘Tear Them Apart’: How Hindutva WhatsApp Group Demanded Murder, Rape of Muslims in Delhi Riots

As the Modi sarkar took a stronger foothold, the lynching of Muslims started. It disturbed me. My established identity could now bring a sudden and violent end to life. I started to debate less in public. I stopped saying salamwaleikum on receiving a phone call in a public space. I taught my kids to not call me abba while travelling on a train or a bus. I even started tweaking my name. Meat dishes were out of the menu, more so when I travelled. I had never imagined that the privilege of identity could actually turn into a handicap for me. In this new India, being both a Muslim and ‘liberated’ could mean sure trouble.

I started to live in fear. I pondered on my identity more than I did at any point in my life. I still didn’t say prayers five times and still didn’t fast in Ramzan. But I continued to be a Muslim.

On social media my name enraged people. I was shunned and trolled when speaking against the atrocities on my fellow citizens. Strangely, the most explicit of abuses came when I wrote against the caste system. Identity was now someone else’s privilege! Words like kafir, jihadi, antinational, mullah, katua followed me on every page of the web. I was accused of being affiliated to the Taliban and ISIS. My liberal values were mocked: “How can a Muslim support a democracy?” If I attempted to argue, my detractors would ask me to go to Pakistan, and sometimes even Saudi Arabia. A cloud of hate hung over my head all the time, like a halo, and I started becoming used to its presence.

Also read: Being Muslim in a Small UP Village at the Moment it Learns of Its First COVID Positive Case

The whole idea was to make me realise that I was a Muslim alone. Any other identity was not for me. Gradually, I too started becoming wary of wearing my patriotism on my sleeve. I think the most dangerous and unfortunate part of any system of apartheid is the fatigue of those who are optimistic despite the discrimination. As each optimist begins to lose hope, the discrimination wins and gets rooted a little more firmly. The protests against the Citizenship (Amendment) Act drew me in, but only as a Muslim who sees the writing on the wall. The concerned citizen of a democracy was slowly fading away like the evening sky.

Humans lose hope when they are not loved. To be differentiated and discriminated is to be alienated. As Pablo Neruda said in his poem, ‘If you forget me‘:

Well, now,

if little by little you stop loving me
I shall stop loving you, little by little

If suddenly

you forget me
do not look for me
for I shall already have forgotten you

When India lost the cricket World Cup semi-final in July 2019, I felt bad not because India lost but because something in me had already died. My overriding feeling that day was just relief. The relief that Modi could not turn a World Cup victory into yet another moment of personal aggrandisement. Relief that the bigots who had abused me and others would be denied a moment of happiness which so quickly turns into chauvinism in their hands. Relief because it spared us interminable chest thumping by rabid news anchors who had nothing to do with the game but would have taken credit for a victory anyway or found some way to turn it into a communal issue.

Also read: In New India, a Muslim Rose Smells Different From a Hindu Rose

When news of the Chinese intrusion came, I looked at the issue as if from the outside. I felt terrible for the slain soldiers, of course, but as fellow human beings and not because they and I are Indian. Like other Indians, I felt revulsion at the obfuscation by ‘nationalist’ anchors who have used the word ‘appeasement’ so often and so loosely, they no longer are able to recognise it when it happens in front of them. Like other Indians, I felt revulsion at the post-intrusion mumbling, kneeling and lying by the prime minister. The humiliation of a leader whose regime had humiliated me and others like me so much – and which thinks nothing of labelling us ‘anti-national’ and ‘seditious’ – did not displease me so much as fill me with dread about the future of our country which is clearly not safe in their hands.

Since the “leader” is seen as synonymous with “nation”, the social media trolls will still see me as a Muslim who is not an Indian for writing this. But for everyone else, I have no doubt they will understand what I am saying: that when nations treat their citizens unequally, the notion of national identity takes a beating.

I write this piece anonymously because I have a family. I have a job. I live in a neighbourhood. This is a New India and I am a coward. It had to be anonymous.
The good thing is that Muslims are now shedding old stereotypes and refusing to behave as non Muslims expect us to.

Soon we will either get the respect we deserve or need to go our own way wth dignity. Either in peace or without.

What option else the Indian Muslims have but to organize themselves! Indian Muslims must "try" to become a decent majority in "some areas" than to remain a decent minority through out every electoral constituency of India. In the next few decades there must be an intentional desire amongst the community to reorganize themselves.

Though I am no expert but I think, southern states, Hyderabad and maybe Bengal etc would be more welcoming to Muslims than UP/Delhi/Gujrat etc.
Most educated Muslims privately agree that organising a Muslim state is an ideal solution.

Problem is that we ALSO understand that such a solution is an utopia and one that involves a lot of bloodshed.

Also it has no support from any nation in the world. Even Pakistan restricts its care to Muslims of Kashmir, because they are special. SMH. Sorry to hurt you guys, but nation states politics has ruined the Unity of Muslims. The results are for us to see. India is diluting Muslim nature of Kashmir as we speak and discuss.

It HAS official begun.

And what have the Muslim nations of the world done so far?

Nothing.

Not surprising. Since there is a precedent - Myanmar, Sri Lanka, etc etc in the contemporary world anyway. It is time to face the reality - Islam is on decline politically for centuries now. But the abject surrender of Islam against today's odds is ... surprising.
 
Not surprising. Since there is a precedent - Myanmar, Sri Lanka, etc etc in the contemporary world anyway. It is time to face the reality - Islam is on decline politically for centuries now. But the abject surrender of Islam against today's odds is ... surprising.


There are almost 2 BILLION muslims now, more than any time in history

Yet let's ask ourselves how many truly Islamic systems are in place?
 
There are almost 2 BILLION muslims now, more than any time in history

Yet let's ask ourselves how many truly Islamic systems are in place?
Numbers mean nothing in today's world. Ok, little.

We don't fight with swords now.

The machine gun for instance changed the world very quickly.

And today things have changed even more.

And let us not even talk about the quality of Muslims today. The majority (not the vast) of young Muslims are fractured. Half being more religious that the previous generation (thanks partly to right wing politics that vilify us) and the other remaining Muslims only in name.
 
I'll add one more thing. Indian Muslims should stop bashing Pakistan to appease the illogical Hindu mobs. If at all, make friends with Pakistanis just like you do with anyone else. Plenty of Indian Hindus are making/want to befriend Pakistanis, why do Indian Muslims hesitate?

Stop allowing these Sanghi sewer rats from dictating your choices in life. Don't live according to their terms.


My issue is that you don’t have to make friends with us just be cordial or normal , which they never did.

I am talking about places out side Pakistan and that too during non BJP times.


I can understand if one does it inside india but out side ?

why?
 
I'll add one more thing. Indian Muslims should stop bashing Pakistan to appease the illogical Hindu mobs. If at all, make friends with Pakistanis just like you do with anyone else. Plenty of Indian Hindus are making/want to befriend Pakistanis, why do Indian Muslims hesitate?

Stop allowing these Sanghi sewer rats from dictating your choices in life. Don't live according to their terms.

Problem is from what I’ve seen, Indian Muslims spent so much time appeasing Hindus, that it’s set to auto mode to not engage Pakistanis. I have seen this in Mosques in the states and these uncles openly stating to our faces they’re happy they forefathers didn’t migrate to Pakistan etc. among other gibberish, but now you speak with them they don’t utter a word or possibly do one Salam to the right and jet out the Masjid before the Imam says the 2 Salam to end prayer. Secondly, those parents have thought their kids the same attitude.
 
A Muslim from India is a product of the society he/she grew up in. When you are consciously and sub-consciously bombarded with anti-Pakistan rhetoric, it is only natural to foster some of those sentiments, irrespective to the fact that you have never met a Pakistani in your life. There are many Indians (Hindus and Muslims) who meet Pakistanis in other foreign countries and are shocked to believe that they are normal people like themselves, contrary to the image that is projected within India.


So what do you think we Pakistanis have a high opinion of any Indian regardless of religion when we meet? Do you actually think some one in Pakistan is taught the goodness of India?

Yet most Pakistanis in general are friendly and do not hold a grudge regardless in the initial encounters . May be in what ever form of Islam we are thought we at least remember to be gracious.

The only thing I can say your grass root in Islamic ideology is so weak that it takes a negative hindu culture to over ride it?

you do realize the issue is with your selves?
 
Problem is from what I’ve seen, Indian Muslims spent so much time appeasing Hindus, that it’s set to auto mode to not engage Pakistanis. I have seen this in Mosques in the states and these uncles openly stating to our faces they’re happy they forefathers didn’t migrate to Pakistan etc. among other gibberish, but now you speak with them they don’t utter a word or possibly do one Salam to the right and jet out the Masjid before the Imam says the 2 Salam to end prayer. Secondly, those parents have thought their kids the same attitude.

Indian ‘Muslims’ were fine being slaves to the Hindu elite of India but now that they are being killed and squirming, I’m rather enjoying it.

These guys are the first to bark against Pakistan. Well tough shit. That’s the life you live as a dog. You eventually get put down by the leash holder.
 
So what do you think we Pakistanis have a high opinion of any Indian regardless of religion when we meet? Do you actually think some one in Pakistan is taught the goodness of India?

Yet most Pakistanis in general are friendly and do not hold a grudge regardless in the initial encounters . May be in what ever form of Islam we are thought we at least remember to be gracious.

The only thing I can say your grass root in Islamic ideology is so weak that it takes a negative hindu culture to over ride it?

you do realize the issue is with your selves?

This discussion was about Indian Muslims in India. You chose to make it a gloating session, deriving some sadistic pleasure, based on whatever interactions you had with Indian Muslims where ever you live. That is your prerogative.

As I said earlier, living as a minority is a different experience. Ask the Pakistanis who live in the US or UK how difficult it is to hold on to religion as a minority. The distractions and appeal of the non-Muslim society are very strong.

Indian ‘Muslims’ were fine being slaves to the Hindu elite of India but now that they are being killed and squirming, I’m rather enjoying it.

These guys are the first to bark against Pakistan. Well tough shit. That’s the life you live as a dog. You eventually get put down by the leash holder.

There exist different kinds of people in this world. Those that sympathize with the oppressed, and those that take sadistic pleasure in the condition of the oppressed.
 
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Victim card victim card victim card ..... I never understood one thing Muslims are always victims irrespective of being majority or minority in the country .........
https://thewire.in/communalism/this-is-what-the-modi-sarkar-has-done-to-indian-muslims

This Is What the Modi Sarkar Has Done to Indian Muslims
Indian Muslims are being stripped of their Indian identity even as they are blamed for not being Indian enough.

man.jpg

"With passing time, and with limited choice, my identity got established. I was a Muslim. Nothing less and nothing more." Photo: Public domain


Anonymous
COMMUNALISM
08/JUL/2020
Studying at Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) in the 1990s, my first physical fight was with a Muslim Kashmiri boy during the telecast of an India-Pakistan cricket match on the hostel TV set. He kept supporting Pakistan even when our team was playing better cricket.

I was a total nationalist. I loved war movies depicting Indian victory. A lump rose in my throat every time I heard the song ‘Sare jahan se achha Hindustan humara’. My heartbreaks when India lost crucial cricket matches were the talk of the town. All in all, my heart bled for India and I decided to stay put here even when most of my allegedly ‘non-patriotic’ Muslim friends and axiomatically ‘patriotic’ Hindu friends opted to leave for greener pastures in the West.

On another front, my liberal views made me stand out in a place like AMU. The sarcastic term to describe Muslims like me was ‘liberated’. I felt pride in the fact that I was both Muslim and ‘liberated’. Identity was a matter of choice for me. It happens when you are privileged.

Times changed. India changed. The demolition of the Babri Masjid, the Gujarat pogrom, rising communal tension, and finally a regime change. All this cast a disturbing shadow on my identity. For the first time in my life I started feeling more and more Muslim. The mirror of privilege to choose an identity had suddenly cracked. With a typical Muslim name, I found it impossible to rent a home in a metropolitan city. On learning my name, people’s expressions would alter, and suspicious glances would be exchanged. Conversations hushed as I entered my office. With passing time, and with limited choice, my identity got established. I was a Muslim. Nothing less and nothing more.

Also read: ‘Tear Them Apart’: How Hindutva WhatsApp Group Demanded Murder, Rape of Muslims in Delhi Riots

As the Modi sarkar took a stronger foothold, the lynching of Muslims started. It disturbed me. My established identity could now bring a sudden and violent end to life. I started to debate less in public. I stopped saying salamwaleikum on receiving a phone call in a public space. I taught my kids to not call me abba while travelling on a train or a bus. I even started tweaking my name. Meat dishes were out of the menu, more so when I travelled. I had never imagined that the privilege of identity could actually turn into a handicap for me. In this new India, being both a Muslim and ‘liberated’ could mean sure trouble.

I started to live in fear. I pondered on my identity more than I did at any point in my life. I still didn’t say prayers five times and still didn’t fast in Ramzan. But I continued to be a Muslim.

On social media my name enraged people. I was shunned and trolled when speaking against the atrocities on my fellow citizens. Strangely, the most explicit of abuses came when I wrote against the caste system. Identity was now someone else’s privilege! Words like kafir, jihadi, antinational, mullah, katua followed me on every page of the web. I was accused of being affiliated to the Taliban and ISIS. My liberal values were mocked: “How can a Muslim support a democracy?” If I attempted to argue, my detractors would ask me to go to Pakistan, and sometimes even Saudi Arabia. A cloud of hate hung over my head all the time, like a halo, and I started becoming used to its presence.

Also read: Being Muslim in a Small UP Village at the Moment it Learns of Its First COVID Positive Case

The whole idea was to make me realise that I was a Muslim alone. Any other identity was not for me. Gradually, I too started becoming wary of wearing my patriotism on my sleeve. I think the most dangerous and unfortunate part of any system of apartheid is the fatigue of those who are optimistic despite the discrimination. As each optimist begins to lose hope, the discrimination wins and gets rooted a little more firmly. The protests against the Citizenship (Amendment) Act drew me in, but only as a Muslim who sees the writing on the wall. The concerned citizen of a democracy was slowly fading away like the evening sky.

Humans lose hope when they are not loved. To be differentiated and discriminated is to be alienated. As Pablo Neruda said in his poem, ‘If you forget me‘:

Well, now,

if little by little you stop loving me
I shall stop loving you, little by little

If suddenly

you forget me
do not look for me
for I shall already have forgotten you

When India lost the cricket World Cup semi-final in July 2019, I felt bad not because India lost but because something in me had already died. My overriding feeling that day was just relief. The relief that Modi could not turn a World Cup victory into yet another moment of personal aggrandisement. Relief that the bigots who had abused me and others would be denied a moment of happiness which so quickly turns into chauvinism in their hands. Relief because it spared us interminable chest thumping by rabid news anchors who had nothing to do with the game but would have taken credit for a victory anyway or found some way to turn it into a communal issue.

Also read: In New India, a Muslim Rose Smells Different From a Hindu Rose

When news of the Chinese intrusion came, I looked at the issue as if from the outside. I felt terrible for the slain soldiers, of course, but as fellow human beings and not because they and I are Indian. Like other Indians, I felt revulsion at the obfuscation by ‘nationalist’ anchors who have used the word ‘appeasement’ so often and so loosely, they no longer are able to recognise it when it happens in front of them. Like other Indians, I felt revulsion at the post-intrusion mumbling, kneeling and lying by the prime minister. The humiliation of a leader whose regime had humiliated me and others like me so much – and which thinks nothing of labelling us ‘anti-national’ and ‘seditious’ – did not displease me so much as fill me with dread about the future of our country which is clearly not safe in their hands.

Since the “leader” is seen as synonymous with “nation”, the social media trolls will still see me as a Muslim who is not an Indian for writing this. But for everyone else, I have no doubt they will understand what I am saying: that when nations treat their citizens unequally, the notion of national identity takes a beating.

I write this piece anonymously because I have a family. I have a job. I live in a neighbourhood. This is a New India and I am a coward. It had to be anonymous.
 
My issue is that you don’t have to make friends with us just be cordial or normal , which they never did.

I am talking about places out side Pakistan and that too during non BJP times.


I can understand if one does it inside india but out side ?

why?

Oh, man. You're like one of those "Hindostan say hazar saal tak jung karengay" wingnuts. You should really go to the LoC. I've had the misfortune to debate with you once before.

I'm talking about NORMAL everyday Pakistanis (like the ones I meet in Singapore): I personally get along great with them.

Problem is from what I’ve seen, Indian Muslims spent so much time appeasing Hindus, that it’s set to auto mode to not engage Pakistanis. I have seen this in Mosques in the states and these uncles openly stating to our faces they’re happy they forefathers didn’t migrate to Pakistan etc. among other gibberish, but now you speak with them they don’t utter a word or possibly do one Salam to the right and jet out the Masjid before the Imam says the 2 Salam to end prayer. Secondly, those parents have thought their kids the same attitude.

Yes, I read you. I'm not in favour of that kind of attitude among Indian Muslims vis-a-vis Pakistanis, when even Indian Hindus can be so much more friendly towards them.

I would recommend Indian Muslims to not care about what right-wing Sanghis think, and hang out with Pakistanis just like they would any others.

The only thing I can say your grass root in Islamic ideology is so weak that it takes a negative hindu culture to over ride it?

LOL, that's where I see a problem. Why someone like xeuss or Jamahir will have issues with your types. You're basically trying to say that you are a more pakka Musalman compared to him? On what basis? Why is he a less Muslim compared to you?

Not all Pakistanis do it, of course, but enough of them probably do it which makes the Indian Muslims feel a bit patronized. They should stop this, seriously.
 
Oh, man. You're like one of those "Hindostan say hazar saal tak jung karengay" wingnuts. You should really go to the LoC. I've had the misfortune to debate with you once before.

I'm talking about NORMAL everyday Pakistanis (like the ones I meet in Singapore): I personally get along great with them.



Yes, I read you. I'm not in favour of that kind of attitude among Indian Muslims vis-a-vis Pakistanis, when even Indian Hindus can be so much more friendly towards them.

I would recommend Indian Muslims to not care about what right-wing Sanghis think, and hang out with Pakistanis just like they would any others.



LOL, that's where I see a problem. Why someone like xeuss or Jamahir will have issues with your types. You're basically trying to say that you are a more pakka Musalman compared to him? On what basis? Why is he a less Muslim compared to you?

Not all Pakistanis do it, of course, but enough of them probably do it which makes the Indian Muslims feel a bit patronized. They should stop this, seriously.

Wow..

Either you can’t read straight or have comprehension issues ....


Singapore ? .. what were you doing there? Toliet cleaning ? Dixie cab ?


lOC ? ... fight for thousand years ? Why? ... the enemy is stupid enough burning it self .. we just watch with glee.

Misfortune of debate ?.. what debate ?...it was no debate it was me stating hard facts and you were just going round and round like a dog chasing its tail...

Victim card victim card victim card ..... I never understood one thing Muslims are always victims irrespective of being majority or minority in the country .........



bcos infidels always start the trouble....

I come from an upper middle class family. We have been among the privileged lot in India with enough connections to be shielded from the challenging experiences of the common man. Yes most of my friends are Hindu, but despite their education they all have drunk the koolaid (or cowpiss rather) and have turned over to the dark side.

However, I will not be oblivious to the sufferings of those within our society. You do not have to suffer like the others to empathize with them or speak out for them.

It is the poor Muslims that will suffer the most, in terms of violence or economic. But in a society creeping with fascism, the fire ultimately consumes all. What happens to the poor Muslims today, will happen to the middle class Muslims tomorrow, and the upper class Muslims the day after. The fire of hate always needs oxygen to burn.



I could provide some context and explanation, but you don't seem to be that type to reason with. So you can take delight in the sufferings of Indian Muslims, just like the Hindus are presently doing.


Really what context?... oh wait there is none....just more silly stories which no normal human will accept

If most Pakistanis who have a genuine hate of Indians don’t behave miserably with indians out side India / Pakistan that means there is something seriously wrong with you.

then again the majority you lot voted for a RSS shows a lot about your mind set...

delight?.... lol.. if a fool soaks him self with petrol and then goes for a dance in the hot sun....our view is

“ I pity fool”
 
Wow..

Either you can’t read straight or have comprehension issues ....


Singapore ? .. what were you doing there? Toliet cleaning ? Dixie cab ?


lOC ? ... fight for thousand years ? Why? ... the enemy is stupid enough burning it self .. we just watch with glee.

Misfortune of debate ?.. what debate ?...it was no debate it was me stating hard facts and you were just going round and round like a dog chasing its tail...





bcos infidels always start the trouble....




Really what context?... oh wait there is none....just more silly stories which no normal human will accept

If most Pakistanis who have a genuine hate of Indians don’t behave miserably with indians out side India / Pakistan that means there is something seriously wrong with you.

then again the majority you lot voted for a RSS shows a lot about your mind set...

delight?.... lol.. if a fool soaks him self with petrol and then goes for a dance in the hot sun....our view is

“ I pity fool”

Weren't you the one that called clifftonite an "Indian" just because he was a great guy to get along with for most Indians here?

Apki zehni haalat beemaron wali hai.
 

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