H2O3C4Nitrogen
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Can any body provide the exact figures regarding PA's expenditure in COIN ops and the disbursements by the Centcom(USA) and the amount PA owns USA...??
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^ Dude, I would agree with you if other nations in the regions aren't affected. Which is not the case. Taliban, AQ and company have become a nuisance for everyone including CAR and Russia and even issued threats to your big brother China openly in tapes.Well before 2004 we hadn't had much to do with the war, but Musharraf said in an interview that the US threatened to bomb Pakistan if they did not side with them.
WTF? We spent $45 billion on your war! PAKISTANI TAX PAYERS' money has been wasted. The US has not payed back the damage caused to Pakistan. And you talk as if your doing us a big favor!
show me the evidence that ISI is at this time helping the talibs
Attacks on our soil by NATO, what do you expect us to do???
We should...
You funded the Taliban to fight the soviets, now they turn against you, some might say you got what you deserve.
The US said they would invade us if necessary, are we that powerless?
LOL, this is so precious, you fund terror against others and if it's the other way round it's wrong, true righteousness.
you funded terrorism and guess what? It bit you in the @SS!
how can someone drag a whole coutry to war?? and why did you have to side with us?? arent you sovereign to take your own decisions?
(01) Pakistan provides the services, trucks, fuel and supplies first
(02) Then Pakistan transports it
(03) US and Nato do not pay for the repair of bridges and highways
(04) Then Pakistan bills for reimbursement
(05) Security personnel salaries for the convoys
There is no aid, this is all reimbursement. We also need to start collecting portion of the repair of bridges and highways, plus cost of extra salaries for security. In the end this is costing more than what we are getting reimbursed.
apparently you seem to be unaware that the US is the most powerful country in the world that is not exactly afraid to use force and kill
FAO pak members - you see what i mean - give then an inch and they take a mile- this sort of response does not deserve an answer - the sooner we are shot of the US the better
more threats incredible - we are a sovereign nation remember
whatever in the past, currently we are trying to get the scum of the planet off the planet. if you are not in it, dont join it - get your people to vote out the current people and get out of NATO. we will never stop going behind these people.except when you support it...or create it...or indulge in it.......
This was never our war to begin with!
The Talibs were un known in Pakistan before 2001.
All of a sudden we are dragged into a war that isn't ours, we have to side with them, let their supplies through and fight on their side.
the taliban were unknown to you before 2001?.....arent you the next door neigbour to afganistan....werent you the country who supported their rule (or rather their attrocities) so that you can have some clout in afganistan.
If they keep this up, we should cut off supplies, make peace with the Taliban, and then make them realise just how important we are to them.
This was never our war to begin with!
The Talibs were un known in Pakistan before 2001.
All of a sudden we are dragged into a war that isn't ours, we have to side with them, let their supplies through and fight on their side.
We have payed for the war, both financially and human lives.
All we get in return is a bit of useless aid, a kick in the @SS and the US saying that we aren't doing enough.
not to mention regular illegal drone attacks on Pakistani soil.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A MAJOR NON-NATO ALLY!!! it's time they treated us like one.
If they keep this up, we should cut off supplies, make peace with the Taliban, and then make them realise just how important we are to them.
If they keep this up, we should cut off supplies, make peace with the Taliban, and then make them realise just how important we are to them.
I am interested to know how Pakistan has spent more?
I hear talk about roads getting damaged, I want to ask if those trucks were not paying toll tax? If yes than that should cover the damage of roads plus make some money right?
1. Pakistan was roped in to be the front of the war against Soviets in Afghanistan by the US
2. Pakistan was the poster child that rallied Mujahids from all over the world to fight Soviets in Afghanistan using resources provided by the NATO
3. Once Soviets were defeated, NATO went on its way, leaving the cesspool of trained fighters behind
4. Pakistan used those fighters (now called the Taliban) to establish its control in Afghanistan
5. However, they soon starting getting out of control of Pakistan and established themselves in the restive areas of NWFP along with Afghanistan.
6. They also developed ties with Al Queda and hosted Bin Laden as state guest
7. When 9/11 happened, They already controlled a large part of Pakistani territory, but Pakistan govt did not have the resources or will to dislodge them since they anyway were considered a strategic asset against India
8. USA gave Pakistan an ultimatum to side with the US and clean up the mess both of them created to begin with, or to get bombed to the stone age
9. We all know what happened post that
Now understand that you are cleaning a mess that was created by you in the first place, and was swept under the carpet prior to 9/11. 9/11 just forced you to lift the rug and start vaccuuming. Sooner or later you had to do that if you didnt want to go the Afghanistan way.
And hence it is your fight
Dont get too carried away by the recent token gesture of the GoP that was more of a political stunt than anything else.
Yep, thanks to evil designs of Indra and her communist partners. We fought for our survival and emerged victorious. Proud of that.1. Pakistan was roped in to be the front of the war against Soviets in Afghanistan by the US
Difference between mujahideen and talibs. Mujahideen have been dispersed since the end of war and been absorbed as regular commandos as well. The talibs are gangs of local thugs and warlord mostly backed by foreign countries especially India.2. Pakistan was the poster child that rallied Mujahids from all over the world to fight Soviets in Afghanistan using resources provided by the NATO
First NATO wasnt even remotely involved. It was CIA, ISI & Mossad with lots of dirty tactics. The mujahideen were sent by their sponsoring countries as volunteers and to create a pool of trained fighters. Many of them were absorbed as commandos and instructors upon their return. Saudi arabia built out a whole of its professional armed forced by drawing on experience of Afghan-Soviet war.3. Once Soviets were defeated, NATO went on its way, leaving the cesspool of trained fighters behind
Talibans were the only choice left behind for Pakistan to work with who could hold Afghanistan stable rather than continuous gang fight whose after effects would definitely spill into Pakistan. End of the day Afghanistan is not Pakistan and we choose to leave them at their will as long their actions did not disturbed us. A post war unstable Afghanistan would have engulfed Pakistan in a civil war.4. Pakistan used those fighters (now called the Taliban) to establish its control in Afghanistan
Our own loose handiness and trusting some tribals who proved to be daemon in disguise.5. However, they soon starting getting out of control of Pakistan and established themselves in the restive areas of NWFP along with Afghanistan.
That were the Afghan talibans and Osama was hosted in Afghanistan as a hero by CIA during the war. They simply decided to hold on this hero for global jihadi ambitions.6. They also developed ties with Al Queda and hosted Bin Laden as state guest
Pre 9/11 the talibans were 99% holed up in Afghanistan. The amateur bombing campaign by desperate US without proper ground preparation caused their influx into Pakistan often disguised as refugees. Bombing was not the solution here but desperate and embarrassed white house wanted to give an adrenaline rush to war hysteria.7. When 9/11 happened, They already controlled a large part of Pakistani territory, but Pakistan govt did not have the resources or will to dislodge them since they anyway were considered a strategic asset against India
That was a false statement played by Mushy for his 15 seconds of fame. Pakistan was already under sanctions and the best US could offer was to lift sanctions in exchange of collaboration. If there was a cent of truth to that statement we would be the first rather than Afghanistan. The fact is that America was on expedition of a false war staged through propaganda behind the bogeyman characterization of single person. Any delays would have given US public time to think and uncovered the scam they were being lured into.8. USA gave Pakistan an ultimatum to side with the US and clean up the mess both of them created to begin with, or to get bombed to the stone age
Cleaning the mess created by foreign agencies and dumped on our head a blackmail tactic due to our own negligence. We failed to handle the situation post Afghan-Soviet war and CIA built its network in our heartland under the disguise of religious solidarity.Thanks to political wrestling of PPP and PML!9. We all know what happened post that
Now understand that you are cleaning a mess that was created by you in the first place, and was swept under the carpet prior to 9/11. 9/11 just forced you to lift the rug and start vaccuuming. Sooner or later you had to do that if you didnt want to go the Afghanistan way.
And hence it is your fight
Dont get too carried away by the recent token gesture of the GoP that was more of a political stunt than anything else.
The Taliban were never a problem for us before 2001 and we were dragged into this war, and when the US leaves we may choose to make peace with them...
If the US hadn't abandoned Pakistan things would have been different.