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This is Jinnah's Pakistan!

Completely agree. Past is past. Being a prisoner to the past is never helpful.

It's why I never get into a discussion whether Jinnah was correct or not. Pointless. It's a bit like trying to get one to acknowledge that their mother or father (especially from a subcontinental context) were completely wrong . That's a realisation best to be reached by the person himself (if at all), any outside insistence on that acknowledgement leads to nothing but bitterness & defiance.

Absolutely. We all exist. It's like you run into me and notice I am in deep thought. You ask me what's wrong. I say " I am trying find the reason for my existance". We all exist. We all are here maybe through love, through no love or through other ways. What matters is we exist and do the best we can now and move forward. Not ask why your parents brought you to the world or what were they thinking.

Every country has reason for existance. Mostly brutal. Rarely anything noble. Saudia Arabia? House of Saud. Jordan? House of Hashem. USA? No taxation without representation. Canada? Don't know. Australia? Convicts.
 
Islam was the basis for the formation of Pakistan. Why? Thats how the support for Pakistan came up. I would like to keep it that simple. #Respect to Quaid for leading us to what we have now as, Pakistan and work to develop the way people want.
 
Absolutely. We all exist. It's like you run into me and notice I am in deep thought. You ask me what's wrong. I say " I am trying find the reason for my existance". We all exist. We all are here maybe through love, through no love or through other ways. What matters is we exist and do the best we can now and move forward. Not ask why your parents brought you to the world or what were they thinking.

Every country has reason for existance. Mostly brutal. Rarely anything noble. Saudia Arabia? House of Saud. Jordan? House of Hashem. USA? No taxation without representation. Canada? Don't know. Australia? Convicts.

Canada- so they can say "eh"
 
What a horrendous piece of crap from a History professor. I was aware of dwindling standard of education in Pakistan but it has deteriorated this much is kind of new to me.
 
A good democratic leader may tack back and forth but is going to reward people from the constituencies who died for his cause. While Jinnah gave his famous August 1947 speech what do you think was happening in the streets? The hundreds of thousands of Muslims of the subcontinent who fought and slew their Hindu neighbors expected some reward for these efforts - robbery alone wasn't enough unless it carried the legitimacy of a higher cause of some sort to wash the blood from their hands. Macbeth on a national scale. That, I think, was behind the grassroots part of the push for the Objectives Resolution and the attendant ills that followed.

Does "evolving" mean embracing militancy and terror and empire and war for the foreseeable future? Can it mean acknowledging past and current wrongs and working for everyone to keep their own with civil and property rights for all and equal dignity for all law-abiding people? Or is doing so too embarrassing (or too anti-Islamic?) to be contemplated out loud by Pakistanis?

The Chinese say, "Give a man to fish and you've fed him for a day; teach him to fish and you've fed him for a lifetime." They do not say that when you teach a man to fish you are forever responsible for what he chooses to do in life.

The most striking thing about America's relationship with the Sauds, Zia, etc. is that America provided the money and means but the decisions on what to do with the assets were made almost entirely by the respective leaders. Quite unlike British colonialism or French colonialism or even the United States' contemporary relationships in Central and South America. That's what made the Pakistanis and Sauds seek out Americans as their preferred ally.

However, Pakistanis like yourself are yet to own up to their responsibility. And almost the first rule American politicians and military officers have is that the U.S. is to take the blame and not say anything to embarrass or contradict their Pakistani counterparts - that's the price of cooperation, to take the blame. So it's going to be up to Pakistanis like yourself to wake up, step forward, and call your leaders to the carpet. How you are to do that in a state where the Higher Education Commission calls on its universities to "remain very vigilant and forestall any activity that in any manner challenge(s) the ideology and principles of Pakistan, and/or perspective of the government of Pakistan" I do not know.

Lol. Typical American ignorance and arrogance, not even claiming a fringe of responsibility for immense evils including use of nuclear weapons. Telling the world to change when your foot is resting on a pile of skeletons. Nothing can absolve the Americans of the crimes they have committed throughout the world. You knew exactly where the hell this money would end up but at that time it was justified because you wanted to see the pleasure of a Soviet defeat. Millions of Afghans have died because of your typical arrogance.

The question is basically why the Americans did not act in Afghanistan when the Taliban took over and were killing local Afghans and others like rats. Only a single hospital for women existed and even that had some chauvinistic rules by the Taliban regime. You only acted when the terrorists blew up your 2 towers. You did nothing when the Afghans were dying every day.

When America comes crashing down we will celebrate. I tell you that. We will make a secular society for ourselves. Your colonial ambitions will not succeed in keeping these mullahs over us.
 
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