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Ask your officials in NE area when Mongoloid minorities are mistreated: why?

In Tibet, China invests big to take care of Tibetans. In NE of India, not even decent roads can reach them.

Why you treat different race differently? Because of your rampant rasism Racism in North India by Aparna Pallavi



This is perhaps precisely the best part of China. A secular government oversees rules that equally regulate different religious practices.

If a head of state were Buddhism, by his heart and belief, he would be pro-Buddhism. If the head were Muslim, he would prefer his religion. Listen carefully: China is a country that has multiple religions peacefully (more or less) coexisting for thousands of years. Unlike India, communal murders and killings are incredibly routine because of religious hatred and bias, as results of your ”full freedom”.

No, China shouldn’t be like India on religious matters. Never!

BTW, if you are not living in a cage, do you know what are China minority preferential policies?



Obviously, you are illiterate, or don’t care to get the fact.

Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet:

· 1. The Tibetan people shall be united and drive out the imperialist aggressive forces from Tibet; that the Tibetan people shall return to the big family of the motherland - the People's Republic of China.
· 2. The Local Government of Tibet shall actively assist the People's Liberation Army to enter Tibet and consolidate the national defenses.
· 3. In accordance with the policy towards nationalities laid down in the Common Programme of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, the Tibetan people have the right of exercising national regional autonomy under the unified leadership of the Central People's Government.
· 4. The Central Authorities will not alter the existing political system in Tibet. The Central Authorities also will not alter the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama. Officials of various ranks shall hold office as usual.
· 5. The established status, functions, and powers of the Panchen Lama shall be maintained.
· 6. By the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama and of the Panchen Lama is meant the status, functions and powers of the 13th Dalai Lama and of the 9th Panchen Lama when they were in friendly and amicable relations with each other.
· 7. The policy of freedom of religious belief laid down in the Common Programme of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference will be protected. The Central Authorities will not effect any change in the income of the monasteries.
· 8. The Tibetan troops will be reorganized step by step into the People's Liberation Army, and become a part of the national defense forces of the Central People's Government.
· 9. The spoken and written language and school education of the Tibetan nationality will be developed step by step in accordance with the actual conditions in Tibet.
· 10. Tibetan agriculture, livestock raising, industry and commerce will be developed step by step, and the people's livelihood shall be improved step by step in accordance with the actual conditions in Tibet.
· 11. In matters related to various reforms in Tibet, there will be no compulsion on the part of the Central Authorities. The Local Government of Tibet should carry out reforms of its own accord, and when the people raise demands for reform, they must be settled through consultation with the leading personnel of Tibet.
· 12. In so far as former pro-imperialist and pro-Kuomintang officials resolutely sever relations with imperialism and the Kuomintang and do not engage in sabotage or resistance, they may continue to hold office irrespective of their past.
· 13. The People's Liberation Army entering Tibet will abide by the above-mentioned policies and will also be fair in all buying and selling and will not arbitrarily take even a needle or a thread from the people.
· 14. The Central People's Government will handle all external affairs of the area of Tibet; and there will be peaceful co-existence with neighboring countries and the establishment and development of fair commercial and trading relations with them on the basis of equality, mutual benefit and mutual respect for territory and sovereignty.
· 15. In order to ensure the implementation of this agreement, the Central People's Government will set up a military and administrative committee and a military area headquarters in Tibet, and apart from the personnel sent there by the Central People's Government it will absorb as many local Tibetan personnel as possible to take part in the work. Local Tibetan personnel taking part in the military and administrative committee may include patriotic elements from the Local Government of Tibet, various district and various principal monasteries; the name list is to be prepared after consultation between the representatives designated by the Central People's Government and various quarters concerned, and is to be submitted to the Central People's Government for approval.
· 16. Funds needed by the military and administrative committee, the military area headquarters and the People's Liberation Army entering Tibet will be provided by the Central People's Government. The Local Government of Tibet should assist the People's Liberation Army in the purchases and transportation of food, fodder, and other daily necessities.
· 17. This agreement shall come into force immediately after signatures and seals are affixed to it.

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Signed and sealed by delegates of the Central People's Government with full powers:

Chief Delegate:

Li Wei-han (Chairman of the Commission of Nationalities Affairs);
Delegates:

Chang Ching-wu, Chang Kuo-hua, Sun Chih-yuan
Delegates with full powers of the Local Government of Tibet:

Chief Delegate: Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme
Delegates:

Dzasak Khemey Sonam Wangdi, Khentrung Thuptan, Tenthar, Khenchung Thuptan Lekmuun Rimshi, Samposey Tenzin Thondup



Seventeen Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rightly said!

Human Rights and National Oppression in Northeast India
(Paper presented by representative of CGPI at the Human Rights Conference in Imphal, December 8-9, 1994)

The Indian state claims to be the world's largest democracy and hence, by definition, to be a state that guarantees human rights. A National Commission on Human Rights has been established to show the world that human rights are being monitored in India. On the other hand, the Indian state does not even recognize the collective rights of nations, nationalities and tribes that inhabit the territory of present-day India. ...

How can it be that the human rights of individual citizens are allegedly being monitored while the collective rights of the Nagas, Assamese, Meiteis, Mizos, Kukis, as well as the Kashmiris, Punjabis, Uttarakhandis and others, are all trampled in the mud? How can human rights go hand in hand with national oppression? On the contrary, suppression of national rights goes hand in hand with the violation of human rights.

The demand for human rights is the demand that every human being is treated in a human way. A human being does not exist in the abstract; the very act of being a human individual is at the same time an act of being a Naga, or a Kashmiri or a Punjabi or of some other nationality, as the case may be. Human identity cannot be nurtured and developed on the basis of negating one's national identity. This is one of the most glaring contradictions in the conception of democracy as enshrined in the Constitution of India. It is a fundamental flaw that needs to be addressed on an urgent basis.

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In India, what are proclaimed in the Constitution as fundamental rights of individual citizens, are at the same time freely violated on a daily basis. Such violation is justified by the same Constitution, whenever the Central Cabinet chooses to declare any region as a "disturbed area" or a "terrorist infested" zone. Thus, it becomes constitutionally valid to violate human rights in Kashmir and in the Northeast, to violate the honour and dignity of human beings, to debase and degrade them with impunity. Such a definition of human rights is not acceptable to democratic public opinion in modern times.

Human rights, by definition, belong to every human being by dint of being human, and they are hence inviolable and inalienable. Nobody can give or take away human rights under any pretext. This is an essential characteristic and requirement of the modern definition of human rights. The bourgeois definition of human rights is not modern; it is a revival of the centuries old conception of civil rights, which the bourgeoisie championed in its struggle against feudal absolutism in Europe. According to this conception, a right is an agreement recorded on a document, it is something that can be given or taken away, signed or cancelled. It is not a matter of objective reality. Just like the high command of the Congress party distributes tickets to the cleverest scoundrels in each state, a right is reduced to a favour that is handed out or taken back according to the will of the high command. But such a definition of rights and a democracy based on such a conception is constantly plagued by the reality of human beings asserting their rights, individually and collectively.

The Nagas, for example, are one of the oldest peoples of this subcontinent, a brave people who have never stopped asserting their rights, either before or after 1947. The Indian state justified the armed suppression of the Naga people under the signboard of the unity and integrity of India. Today this treatment, along with the same justification, is extended to all the peoples of the Northeast, as well as in the Northwest, and increasingly in the South as well. It is time that this justification is put in its place.

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Human Rights and National Oppression in Northeast India

poverty and lack of development....

these are different things.....

What u r doing in Tibet, Xinxiang is

TERMINATION of Tibetan, Xinxiang ppl and their culture and traditions.
after a century or so there will be no TIbetan culture, No Xinxiang culture...

it will be only han chinese all around....


BUT even after 10000 of years there will be kashmir, there will be north east and with all their culture and traditions still thriving and prospering and having become stronger than before....
 
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First-hand imperialism is defined by British UK.

Second-hand imperialism is defined by India, as it wants to follow British Imperialst foot print.

U dont have any dictionary whose definition of IMPERIALIST will not lead to the OPEN meaning that CHINA is the biggest imperialist country of the world...
 
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In Tibet, China invests big to take care of Tibetans. In NE of India, not even decent roads can reach them.

u invest in Tibet, u invest in Xinxiang...
but u dont invest for Tibetans, or Ugihars..

U invest for/in han chinese who have total control over the areas of Tibet and Xinxiang...
whereas the native Tibetan anbd Ugihars are deprived and poor.

U care for Tibetans--- CHINESE GOVT DOESNT ALLOW EVEN A POPULATION CENSUS TO BE CARRIED OUT IN TIBET.

And in Xinxiang...
In the capital of this city... 75% now are HAN chinese... where r the Ugihars..????
 
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u invest in Tibet, u invest in Xinxiang...
but u dont invest for Tibetans, or Ugihars..

U invest for/in han chinese who have total control over the areas of Tibet and Xinxiang...
whereas the native Tibetan anbd Ugihars are deprived and poor.

U care for Tibetans--- CHINESE GOVT DOESNT ALLOW EVEN A POPULATION SENSEX TO BE CARRIED OUT IN TIBET.

And in Xinxiang...
In the capital of this city... 75% now are HAN chinese... where r the Ugihars..????

What is SENSEX? :rofl:
 
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u invest in Tibet, u invest in Xinxiang...
but u dont invest for Tibetans, or Ugihars..

U invest for/in han chinese who have total control over the areas of Tibet and Xinxiang...
whereas the native Tibetan anbd Ugihars are deprived and poor.

U care for Tibetans--- CHINESE GOVT DOESNT ALLOW EVEN A POPULATION SENSEX TO BE CARRIED OUT IN TIBET.

And in Xinxiang...
In the capital of this city... 75% now are HAN chinese... where r the Ugihars..????

Please send ZanNan(the south of tibet) back China,we will invest there ,and i believe it will be more richer than now, and people will be also happy than now,:yahoo:
 
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Please send ZanNan(the south of tibet) back China,we will invest there ,and i believe it will be more richer than now, and people will be also happy than now,:yahoo:

u have to leave Tibet... my dear friend.... care to answer the post logically...IF YOU CAN..????:devil:
 
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yaar why we claim all part of hindustan! =)

So very true. And thats exactly what I fail to understand too> I mean , people not only want disputed territories to be broken off from India, thay also want India to be broken into dozens of pieces! sometime I fear that since two out of three families living in the building where I live are kashmiri muslims - someday pakistan will also lay claim over that building!!
Cm'on brothers, atleast for the sake of common history that we share, the common independence struggle that we faced, the good times that we have shared in past (before partition), please lets not extend this minor differences into full fledged animosity. Lets not crib over what land masses we should have got during partition and what we didnt. Instead why cant we make the best out of whatever we have with us.
 
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wrong and false..
the below shows clearly that ppl other than han chinese are treated as lower grade people and treated racially...

Tibet:
till date no proper survey has been conducted inTibet regarding the population of Tibet. China doesnt let the true information to come out.
The Tibetans are slowly being replaced by the han chinese.

Xinxiang:
In 1949, Han Chinese accounted for just 5% of Xinjiang’s population. Today, they are up to 41%, soon to eclipse the native Uighur Muslims’ 45%. Urumqi, Xinjiang’s capital city dotted by skyscrapers, is dominated by the Han Chinese, who comprise over 75% of the 2.5 million population.

it shows even in the capital the city is completely dominated by han chinese...
the vast majority of Uighurs continue to live in poverty, and they reside in rural areas, far from the urban centers of prosperity.

In 2002, Xinjiang's top university eliminated all instruction in the Uighur language...it was not required at all... and which language was chosen over it is a big question...
So one day will come when there wil not be a single sign left in the Xinxiang province which can make u beleive that this place was once inhabited by so called Ugihars.. and all this in the name of atheism....

So clearly the idea in both places is to make the Tibetans and Uighars minority in their own areas and to migrate han chinese there in great numbers. Furthur the han chinese in those areas are more affluent and rich than the native people of those areas..... and have control over all the official machinery and levers of powers of those areas...

all this leads to show the abuse of the native people of those areas.

Far be it from me to deny that you state excellent cases against some of the glaring deficiencies in the PRC minority policies, particularly wrt to the so-called "minority nations" (a construct I borrowed from the NYT).

However, your lack of sense in distinguishing assimilationist tendencies from inherantly discriminatory policies is regrettable.

First of all, there is no convincing evidence I am aware of (other than what exiles claim) that census has not been taken properly in Tibet. Contrary to the situation in so-called "South Tibet"/India's NE where "illegal immigrants" from BD and migrants from neighbouring WB have in reality rendered native Assamese abject minority in their own area, the proportion of Hans in Tibet is in fact fairly low - at less than 10% last time I looked.

But am I faulting the Bengalis from India and BD for "flooding" Assam? Why would I? Who am I to decide which "Indian" with what shade of complexion and what particular shape of nose or texture of hair can live in a give part of India, which in my book includes Assam?

If Tibetans can come to live in Shanghai (yes they can), then folks from Shanghai should be able to live in Tibet (within the evolving framework of Hukou). In fact, more Tibetans traditionally live in Sichuan than Sichuanese currently live in Tibet. Of course, according to DL, anywhere with a Tibetan monastery is "Greater Tibet", except Tawang - even he has enough sense not to bite the hands of his "host". ;)

Well, good luck to his holiness.

The situation in Xinjiang is different. Urumqi was/is not a Uyghur city. It was founded by the Tangs, and named in the Mongolian tongue. South Xinjing (around Kashkar) is a more traditionally Uyghur homeland. While Lhasa can claim authentic Tibetan descent, Urumqi is and was a "Chinese city".

Even Google could elucidate these facts for you.

Now at no time did I say Tibetans and Uyghurs don't have legitimate cultural, economical, and anti-assimilationist grievances. And with a good deal of it I sympathize.

However, there is a limit to secessionist/"Balkanizing" aspirations. The Hans who built up Xinjiang belong there as much as the Uyghurs. Can you say in good conscience to Pakistanis that the Sindhis and Punjabis who helped build up Gwarda are not entitled to live there? And by encouraging Uyghurs to learn Mandarin, the PRC is hoping to lessen the degree of affirmative action initiatives that are currently working (seemingly not very well) in bringing down Uyghur unemployment.

Anyways, all of that is but a day's lunch in the land of Bharat where the word vote-banking and caste/identity politics were invented and honed to the level of art.

It's fine with me - but even in India not everyone buys into this whole "sons of the soil" racket. Do you have to be a Marathi to live in Mumbai? Should Marathis constitute over 50% of the population in Mumbai at all times? Somebody's sena probably think so.

Having said that, I am of the opinion that the the "big tent" rhetoric of Indian Plutocracy does hold lessons for the PRC in dealing with its restive areas. Grievances have to be "channeled" and unchecked assimilationism will backfire, as will superficial "affirmative actions" ...

What China needs to achieve is "integration" without outright assimilation - much harder said than done, readily acknowledged even by a fool like me. Not many multi-ethnic states - including the nations of the West can yet claim resounding success in this.

Ditto for India. But given India's plutocratic history (compared with the PRC) and inherant diversity, there is no surprise that overall India is a more racially/ethnically/communally charged place than China. However, a question Indians rightly ask themselves (and the Chinese should begin to ask themselves) is: is India doing better in this area than it has a "right" to with the corollary being whether China is doing worse than it "should"?
 
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This is perhaps precisely the best part of China. A secular government oversees rules that equally regulate different religious practices.

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Well, I for one don't see the PRC state apparatus making the transition to a secular government yet. Atheism is not secularism.

However, the "Spirit" works in mysterious ways and the Sovereign's Mercy knows no bounds. As the "faithful" gain adherents quietly, the PRC has a potential - to become a "pseudo-atheist" state just as Bharat is "pseudo-secular" ... :azn:
 
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Far be it from me to deny that you state excellent cases against some of the glaring deficiencies in the PRC minority policies, particularly wrt to the so-called "minority nations" (a construct I borrowed from the NYT).

However, your lack of sense in distinguishing assimilationist tendencies from inherantly discriminatory policies is regrettable.

First of all, there is no convincing evidence I am aware of (other than what exiles claim) that census has not been taken properly in Tibet. Contrary to the situation in so-called "South Tibet"/India's NE where "illegal immigrants" from BD and migrants from neighbouring WB have in reality rendered native Assamese abject minority in their own area, the proportion of Hans in Tibet is in fact fairly low - at less than 10% last time I looked.

But am I faulting the Bengalis from India and BD for "flooding" Assam? Why would I? Who am I to decide which "Indian" with what shade of complexion and what particular shape of nose or texture of hair can live in a give part of India, which in my book includes Assam?

If Tibetans can come to live in Shanghai (yes they can), then folks from Shanghai should be able to live in Tibet (within the evolving framework of Hukou). In fact, more Tibetans traditionally live in Sichuan than Sichuanese currently live in Tibet. Of course, according to DL, anywhere with a Tibetan monastery is "Greater Tibet", except Tawang - even he has enough sense not to bite the hands of his "host". ;)

Well, good luck to his holiness.

The situation in Xinjiang is different. Urumqi was/is not a Uyghur city. It was founded by the Tangs, and named in the Mongolian tongue. South Xinjing (around Kashkar) is a more traditionally Uyghur homeland. While Lhasa can claim authentic Tibetan descent, Urumqi is and was a "Chinese city".

Even Google could elucidate these facts for you.

Now at no time did I say Tibetans and Uyghurs don't have legitimate cultural, economical, and anti-assimilationist grievances. And with a good deal of it I sympathize.

However, there is a limit to secessionist/"Balkanizing" aspirations. The Hans who built up Xinjiang belong there as much as the Uyghurs. Can you say in good conscience to Pakistanis that the Sindhis and Punjabis who helped build up Gwarda are not entitled to live there? And by encouraging Uyghurs to learn Mandarin, the PRC is hoping to lessen the degree of affirmative action initiatives that are currently working (seemingly not very well) in bringing down Uyghur unemployment.

Anyways, all of that is but a day's lunch in the land of Bharat where the word vote-banking and caste/identity politics were invented and honed to the level of art.

It's fine with me - but even in India not everyone buys into this whole "sons of the soil" racket. Do you have to be a Marathi to live in Mumbai? Should Marathis constitute over 50% of the population in Mumbai at all times? Somebody's sena probably think so.

Having said that, I am of the opinion that the the "big tent" rhetoric of Indian Plutocracy does hold lessons for the PRC in dealing with its restive areas. Grievances have to be "channeled" and unchecked assimilationism will backfire, as will superficial "affirmative actions" ...

What China needs to achieve is "integration" without outright assimilation - much harder said than done, readily acknowledged even by a fool like me. Not many multi-ethnic states - including the nations of the West can yet claim resounding success in this.

Ditto for India. But given India's plutocratic history (compared with the PRC) and inherant diversity, there is no surprise that overall India is a more racially/ethnically/communally charged place than China. However, a question Indians rightly ask themselves (and the Chinese should begin to ask themselves) is: is India doing better in this area than it has a "right" to with the corollary being whether China is doing worse than it "should"?

Thanks for tha information given! I do hope this will bring an end to the diespute on Tibet and Xinjiang! India had no dispute with this territory and should not be part of the discussion This thread is about Chinese land holds by India:china:
 
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Thanks for tha information given! I do hope this will bring an end to the diespute on Tibet and Xinjiang! India had no dispute with this territory and should not be part of the discussion This thread is about Chinese land holds by India:china:


I reckon India must Now stop " Poking its Nose into its neighbor nations "

What do you guys think ;):china:
 
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assimilationist
u call this assimilation..!!!!!... when the ppl who belonged to the area are close to being finished totally..!!!!

The percentage of ethnic Han in Xinjiang has grown from less than 7% in 1949 to an official tally of over 40% at present...!!!!!!!!!!

good assimilate so much that some day the percentage of Han chinese will be 99.99% and remaining percentage a impoverished and poor uighars... gr8 assimilation....

u had to assimilate into Ugihars... they were like water u were like grains....
now u have become water and ther r reduced to grains...

this is not assimilation... this is willful destruction and extermination of Uighars...


the uighars are treated as slaves by the han chinese.. they are treated like that only... they have no say in the governace of the province...it is only the han chinese who control everything and same for Tibet

First of all, there is no convincing evidence I am aware of (other than what exiles claim) that census has not been taken properly in Tibet. the proportion of Hans in Tibet is in fact fairly low - at less than 10% last time I looked.

where did u look buddy.... dont make news from ur imagination...
THERE HAS BEEN NO SENSUS FOR IT.....SHOW ME WHERE IS THE CENSUS OR YOUR BLATANT LIE WILL BE CLEAR....THE WORLD KNOWS CHINA DOESNT ALLOW IT....
maybe you counted ppl there on ur own....:devil:
 
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hi

what should not Tibet be free and peoples of Tibet should rule there country

very soon they will be free as they were in past :victory::victory:

tibet will be free :yahoo::yahoo:
 
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Alright guys this thread is abt Arunachal & Aksai chin so lets not deviate
from the topic :cheers:
 
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