There is no unity among people in Pakistan.

[Irfan Baloch]

Yea yea,a french wrote that and an Indian took no time to open up a thread on a false assumption, since when an Indian or a French became an expert on our nationalism, we don't need to prove our patriotism to anyone.

LOL an Indian needs a French author to pass his judgement on us. shows who is obsessed but pretends not to care.

India might have reached MARS but left the mentality of some of its people somewhere in a ditch

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And what does a Sikh Punjabi

Share with Adivasi

Dravidian Telangana

These folk from Nagaland

Brilliant question. What do they have in common?

Ans: Their acceptance of a composite identity that transcends ethnic or religious divide.

Something that was anciently called Bharatiyata.

 

[vsdoc]

I have doubts now about that. Persia was lost when Islam was a growing power. Now Islam as a civilization has been on a decline for over 4 centuries. And this crying out for lost glory, the desperate desire to hold on to the past, the bravado, the fanaticism is all symptomatic of the inability to come to terms with the present.

From here, the lot of the non Muslim World can only improve, albeit with a great deal of bloodshed on both sides.

I was just goading you. lol

This is my land as much as it is yours.

No more refugees.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I did not claim that India stayed together because of racial unity.

The devil is in the detail Atanz.

The differances I alluded to are not just racial but cultural, religious and language. Unless your telling me Punjabi and Telangan or Malayam or the Tibeto-Burman languages spoken in north east India are same.

 

[vsdoc]

The differances I alluded to are not just racial but cultural, religious and language. Unless your telling me Punjabi and Telangan or Malayam or the Tibeto-Burman languages spoken in north east India are same.

There is an overarching composite culture and theology and social fabric that umbrellas over food and dress and customs and rituals and dialects.

Its called Hindutva.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Brilliant question. What do they have in common?

Their acceptance of a composite identity that transcends ethnic or religious divide.

Something that was anciently called Bharatiyata.

That is friggin myth. Nothing wrong with that. But it is just myth. I can friggin clearly see the impact of this "Bharatiya" and it's imprint on Sikh, Adivasi, Malayam, Naga et al.

Stop treating us like muppets, please.

 

[vsdoc]

That is friggin myth. Nothing wrong with that. But it is just myth. I can friggin clearly see the impact of this "Bharatiya" and it's imprint on Sikh, Adivasi, Malayam, Naga et al.

Stop treating us like muppets, please.

Please don't get excited.

This has the makings of a thread I can spend some time on.

 

[halupridol]

And what does a Sikh Punjabi

Share with Adivasi

Dravidian Telangana

These folk from Nagaland

They all speak languages that come from differant families, look differant, differant cultures, most have not even interacted with each other and don't even share the same geography. So if these 100s of differant friggin people who could come from other side of the world can have "unity in diversity" why can't a justcouple of ethinc groups in Pakistan who have a common history and shared space be togather?

The Pashtun. Punjabis, Sindhi and Baloch all live within the greater Indus basin and are contigous to each other. There are no clear lines of separation as each group slowly blends and emerges along the shared zones.

The only thing keeping India and Pakistan togather is the legacy of Briitish Raj. Both Pakistan and Indian Republic are "Made in Britain".

And don't start friggin crapping on about India as a geoghraphy. That geography and space has existed since time began. We are talking about nation states and feeling of belonging to identity.

Look at this map soon after the British arrived.

the thing is,,,,Pakistan failed to construct a narrative strong enuff to define n reflect thr national identity whch is why u still debate 'Pakistan matlab or Islamic/secular',,,,while India despite being far more diverse culturaly/racialy somewhat succeded in tht regard.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Well I suggest to the initiator of this thread if you want to learn about our unity try to pinch one here in PDF you will see it here those who are fighting each other will teach you a lesson. If you want to learn the same go through the forum it's a proven fact here. Leave french alone baycharay still wagging their tail towards your non thrown MMRCA bone nothing happens yet.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Its called Hindutva.

It was there before in different names. Now it is called Hindutva.

Ashoka butchered foreign raiders and felt no remorse. Many many times. He fought a war against a Bharatiya State and drowned in guilt, and became an ascetic.

There is something that even I can't explain but can very strongly feel. Seeing a Tamil, or a Mizo in a faraway land gives me more pleasure than seeing a Pakistani Punjabi or Pak. Kashmiri. Even though I can't converse with the formers in their native tongues. There is a feeling of Ekatma.

 

[ito]

Then give freedom to Indian held kashmir since you know this kashmir issue is keeping Pak united. After giving independence to Indian Kashmir, Pak will fall apart (according to you) because the sole reason of keeping pak united will be no more.

We don't hate Pakistanis, nor do we want to destroy ourselves to destroy Pakistan.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That is friggin myth. Nothing wrong with that. But it is just myth. I can friggin clearly see the impact of this "Bharatiya" and it's imprint on Sikh, Adivasi, Malayam, Naga et al.

Stop treating us like muppets, please.

You are free to refute the author and call yourself super united, united or anything. I am calling us what WE are. Also, you are free to impose your opinions on us. They will remain in the air as just that. Opinions.

 

[vsdoc]

It was there before in different names. Now it is called Hindutva.

Ashoka butchered foreign raiders and felt no remorse. Many many times. He fought a war against a Bharatiya State and drown in guilt, and became an ascetic.

There is something that even I can't explain but can very strongly feel. Seeing a Tamil, or a Mizo in a faraway land gives me more pleasure than seeing a Pakistani Punjabi or Pak. Kashmiri. Even though I can't converse with the formers in their native tongues. There is a feeling of Ekatma.

I feel exactly the same.

Many times these warm feelings turned out to be Pakistani.

Then I become a bit contrite.

I was eating in a Pakistani restaurant in France once. The owner's wife was serving the food. I swear I was so self-conscious I just kept looking down most of the meal fearing what was the "correct" decorum involved ....

Similar story once watching the Mohali semi final in a cafe owned by Pakistanis. Poor chaps were really sweet. Offered us soft drinks etc. Cheering Bhajji's batting. Family scene. Kids around. But you know how it is .....

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There is an overarching composite culture and theology and social fabric that umbrellas over food and dress and customs and rituals and dialects.

Its called Hindutva.

This composite your referring to is just "jelly" that you can mould it the way you want. You expect me to sit there with a straight face and accept that a Sikh, a Adivasi, a Naga, a Malaylam share common culture? Yeh all the males have two legs, a penis hanging, a head and two eyes shot in the face.

Jokers bloody jokers. The only common thing they have is they belong to India and have accepted Indian nationality. That is also applicable to Pakistan as well. Anyway it's Eid I have to go but please don't feed this bullshit.

1,270 million Indian speaking more languages than I have hair ( trust me I have lots ) following differant religions with some looking like humans and others bordering on dangerously looking like apes and others that with cap would fit with chairman Mao are supposed to be just one indivisible whole.

On the contrary just four ethnic groups in Pakistan living in one Indus basin, all contingous, all following one religion all have shared history all overlapping each other are not one nation.

Give me a friggin break.

Ps. I accept that India has done better job of consolidating by creating a narrative whereas Pakistan is still experimenting. That however does not detract from the reality. All it shows is Pakistan needs to clear its focus.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You expect me to sit there with a straight face and accept that a Sikh, a Adivasi, a Naga, a Malaylam share common culture?

No. We don't care what you think. At all. That's all.