There is no unity among people in Pakistan.

[VCheng]

Keep pressing us with a brittle material and you might break yourself

Here is your brittleness calculator. Proceed with caution

Brittle materials make poor springs.

 

[I M Sikander]

Enmity with India is what is keeping Pakistan united. There is no doubt in that. This is the primary reason why keeping alive Kashmir is so much important for Pakistan.

Kashmir is just one issue.
And it is actually the kashmiri people who keep their thirst for freedom alive and we salute and support them.

There are thousand of thing which makes us different and unique from others, but vege races cant understand it.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

So in your opinion a bull shit article by a french is divine word of gods wisdom.

I take the article seriously. You may chose not to. Your prerogative.

 

[I M Sikander]

I take the article seriously. You may chose not to. Your prerogative.

Typical indian with anti pakistan mentality.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Typical indian with anti pakistan mentality.

You forgot to add 'anti Muslim'.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol at the indian posts. indians here claim that our unity lies in our hatred and disdain of india. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that most Pakistanis in Pakistan are completely indifferent and oblivious to india. The vast majority know nothing about india. Our unity in Pakistan lies in our unique racial heritage and Islam to some extent. An indian can never understand this as us Pakistanis are so much different to indians in every possible way. They therefore make many incorrect and false assumptions. Pakistan needs a bogeyman like india to stay united????? Then America needs a bogeyman like Communism and Islamic terrorism to stay united. Do indians need a bogeyman like Pakistan and Islamic terrorism to survive? I don't know and I could never know as I can never understand or feel like what it is to be a member of the indian race.

 

[ito]

Kashmir is just one issue.
And it is actually the kashmiri people who keep their thirst for freedom alive and we salute and support them.

There are thousand of thing which makes us different and unique from others, but vege races cant understand it.

How much freedom movement are you seeing Kashmir?...next to none. May be some flag flying by some local goons.

The fact that Pakistan has kept itself hostage to Kashmir show how much you depends on India for unity.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Kabhi aao na PakVsIndia match main khushbu laga ke...

So India is the only reason you are united??

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Lol at the indian posts. indians here claim that our unity lies in our hatred and disdain of india. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that most Pakistanis in Pakistan are completely indifferent and oblivious to india. The vast majority know nothing about india. Our unity in Pakistan lies in our unique racial heritage and Islam to some extent. An indian can never understand this as us Pakistanis are so much different to indians in every possible way. They therefore make many incorrect and false assumptions. Pakistan needs a bogeyman like india to stay united????? Then America needs a bogeyman like Communism and Islamic terrorism to stay united. Do indians need a bogeyman like Pakistan and Islamic terrorism to survive? I don't know and I could never know as I can never understand or feel like what it is to be a member of the indian race.

Pakistani unity lies in Islam. And in Islam alone. Most Pakistanis don't hate India as a nation as much as it hates the influence of Hindus and Sikhs etc. For example, Pakistan would have had no issue with Kashmir being Indian if India was a Muslim country. The French author has got the effect correct but not been able to correctly identify the main cause.

If Pakistan wants to move ahead, it should consider abolishing the dual system it follows. It should steer clear from secular law, it got Partitioned for a reason. So the Shariah should ideally have been made law long back. There is still time. A truly Islamic society is the only hope for lasting Pakistani unity. Pakisanis should not forget ke Pakistan ka matlab kya h.

 

[Sal12]

How much freedom movement are you seeing Kashmir?...next to none. May be some flag flying by some local goons.

The fact that Pakistan has kept itself hostage to Kashmir show how much you depends on India for unity.

Then give freedom to Indian held kashmir since you know this kashmir issue is keeping Pak united. After giving independence to Indian Kashmir, Pak will fall apart (according to you) because the sole reason of keeping pak united will be no more.

 

[niaz]

Just a add a few, U have Nawaz Sharief appealing to the Taliban to spare only Punjab when Peshwar and Lahore both were facing the burnt of Taliban attacks.

About your last statment that " RAW would never have succeeded in flaming the ‘Fitnas’ of TTP, sectarianism & Baluch liberation? We cannot wish it to go away; we can only combat it by recognizing that disunity does exist. "
First of all the Baloch problem has been going on even before RAW was born. Indians don't come to Balochistan to attack your gas pipelines or attack the buses and trains coming from Rawalpindi or murder the laboureres and BARBERS coming from Pakistan's Punjab region.

About sectarian or ethnic voilence,There was no sectarian voilence during 1947,then how did it orginate. it all started after the Iranian revolution. Is RAW responsible for the attacks on Ahmedyas and BLASPHEMY Victims. Is RAW responsible for Pakistani Hindus demanding asylum and citizenship in India.

About TTP,who gave them arms,who nourished them,it is certainly not RAW. The TTP wants SHARIAH all over pakistan.

Without doubt discontent in Baluchistan existed from start; the first action against the Baluch nationalists was taken in 1948!

Additionally TTP 'fitna' is also home made as Pakistani madrassah students were employed en mass to fight proxy war against USSR by the US with Pakistan a willing partner. Many Zia ul Haq supporters hold the view that it was the bigot Zia who defeated the USSR singlehandedly! It was because of these facts that I did not say that RAW started the problem; I only stated that RAW is fanning the flame.

Sectarian differences have also existed among the Muslims for more than a thousand years. However in Pakistan scenario it was not violent; there was no target killing of a peaceful citizen simply because he is a Shia or a Sunni. It was Afghan war, alliance of Jamaat Islami with the bigot Zia and Zia’s tilt towards Wahhabi ideology due Saudi fear of Khomeini’s militant Shia Islam which conveted the spark of sectarianism into a consuming fire. It spread from Punjab to rest of Pakistan when TTP/Al-Qaida joined hands with SSP/Lashkar Jhangvi.

Without being unpleasant, I would comment that RAW found a fertile ground and decided to take full advantage of it. I also hold the view that Baluchi anger has some justification and that the Federal government needs to redress Baluch complaints on a priority basis

You have every right to disagree with my statements; nevertheless I am certain that RAW is exploiting the discontentment among the Baluchi as well as wrath of the TTP Commander Mullah Fazlulah by helping BLA & TTP/sectarian outfits with funds and arms.

 

[vsdoc]

In my humble opinion, partition was never seen by many on both sides of the border to be permanent and cast in stone.

On the Indian side, in many quarters, it was assumed that Pakistan would crumble and eventually (and quickly) come back into the fold, the wiser and suitably chastised by their little experimental sojourn.

In Pakistan, the partition in many quarters was seen by many as an opportune God-sent chance to carve out a Muslim state out of the larger Hindu whole.

But that in itself was never meant to be the final and ultimate aim.

As in 1857, both sides were fighting for themselves, not the whole.

And they still are.

Kashmir is a mirage.

The fight is about the whole.

Its a fight that has been in the making for a thousand years.

I am sorry to say but there is no mixing of oil and water. The British were an interlude.

Iran never got cleaved. Because Iran converted en masse. The few pesky ones that did not, were made an offer they could not refuse. And left.

But India was way too big. And a thousand years was simply not enough. So you had a 2/3 vs a 1/3 split.

Depending on which side you are, not insignificant OR not near satisfactory.

As they say .... picture abhi baaki hai mere dost.

 

[PDF]

I would beg to differ from this statement. Quaid-e-Azam advised us to follow:

UNITY, FAITH & DISCIPLINE

However it would be the biggest folly to pretend that we actually are united. Indulge me to briefly enumerate the differences.

Provincialism & ethnicity:

Who can deny that there is a strong resentment against the Punjabis among the Pashtuns, the Baluchis & the Sindhis? Have we forgotten that not long ago Baluchi nationalists stopped busses near Sibi, pulled Punjabi labourers out and shot them? Have we also forgotten about language riots in Sindh in the 70’s and Pashtuns shooting all passers - by wearing trousers from Kati-Pahari in Karachi with the assumption that Pashtuns wear shalwar whereas Urdu speakers wear trousers? Baluchis have been fighting for independence since the birth of Pakistan. Most glaring example is opposition to Kalabagh Dam; because it will mainly benefit Punjab, smaller provinces vehemently oppose it.

Sectarianism & religion:

Are we denying that Lashkar Jhangvi has been butchering Shias (Hazara in particular) simply because of sectarian difference? What about bombing of Christian Churches & destruction of Qadiani mosques? Or perhaps you don’t think that Hazaras, Qadianis & Christians are Pakistani?

Linguistic differences;

Hindko speakers, Seraiki speakers as well as MQM want separate province. There are about 2-million Bihari languishing in Bangla Desh but despite the fact that the Biharis supported Pakistan against Mukti Bahini; Pakistani don’t want them primarily due to opposition by the Sindhi speakers as these would most likely settle in Sindh.

One would expect political differences but there are forces such as ant-Pakistan & anti-Quaid Jamaat Islami, that have significant following in KPK & among Urdu speakers in Karachi but hardly any in interior Sindh & in Baluchistan. There is significant support for TTP and other extremists in Punjab & in KPK who believe in no borders and hanker for a dark age Islamic Emirate.

Do you really thing that if the nation was united Pak Army would be fighting an existentialist war. Our Army is indeed united and the jawans giving their life for the sake of unity but anti-Pakistan Jamaat Islami Amir considers Taliban butcher 'Shaheed’ but PA jawans as simply killed?

No sir, it sad but true, Pakistan society as well as polity is not united. If we were, RAW would never have succeeded in flaming the ‘Fitnas’ of TTP, sectarianism & Baluch liberation? We cannot wish it to go away; we can only combat it by recognizing that disunity does exist.

Before concluding that if suppose we are not United, let's find out why we are not...

Tuesday, August 13, 2013

What the Independence Day Demands?

By Sajjad Shaukat


Although the 14th August which is celebrated every year as the Independence Day, has come at a time when Pakistan is facing multiple threats of grave nature internally and externally, which are not only worrying all the citizens, and are creating divisions among the federal and provincial institutions, yet are also putting the very integration of the state at stake. Besides, during this very day, Pakistan is in the state of war, being waged by the security forces and intelligence agencies against terrorists.


Meanwhile, India has started unprovoked firing at the Line of Control in Kashmir including Working Boundary in Sialkot and Nakiyal sector. Pak Army and Rangers followed the suit in defence of the country. In fact, the main aim of India is to sabotage the peace process between both the neighbouring countries, particularly the proposed meeting between Pakistan’s Prime Ministers Nawaz Sharif and Indian Manmohan Singh in New York next month on the sideline of UN General Assembly session.


However, it was due to the strong unity among the Muslims under the leadership of Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah that Pakistan became a tangible reality. But that unity started declining after passing through various crises.


It is because of lack of unity among our politicians, leaders, security forces and media that foreign opportunists have been manipulating the chaotic situation of Pakistan in order to fulfill their secret agenda by destabilising the country. In the past few years, nefarious designs of American CIA, Indian RAW and Israeli Mossad can be gauged from various anti-Pakistan developments such as their support to subversive activities and sectarian violence all over the country and separatism in Balochistan coupled with cross-border terrorism from Afghanistan side.


Particularly, US double game with Pakistan, pressuring the latter to do more against the militants by ignoring the internal backlash, intermittent drone strikes, accusation of cross border terrorism, perennial propaganda against Pak Army, country’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) etc. clearly show future aims of the US-led India and Israel which want to ‘denuclearise’ Pakistan.


These anti-Pakistan elements have accelerated subversive acts in our country on daily basis through their affiliated militant groups, especially the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) which have killed several people including personal of the security forces and law-enforcing agencies in various cities of the country, especially Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Karachi. As regards, Balochistan, everyone knows that Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) and another group, Jundollah (God’s soldiers) which have been fighting for secession of the province gets logistic support from CIA and RAW. Their militants kidnapped and killed many innocent people and the security personnel in the province, while claiming responsibility for their heinous crimes. In fact, based in Afghanistan these external intelligence agencies are not only supplying arms and ammunition to the insurgents, but are also assisting them with money. While, the US seems determined to shift Afghan war to Pakistan after the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan.


On the one hand, these foreign elements have accelerated their conspiracy against Pakistan to complete their hidden agenda by supporting subversive attacks inside the country, on the other, by showing unrealistic approach, Pakistan’s so-called NGOs, human rights organisations and media started a deliberate campaign against country’s law-enforcing agencies, ISI and Pak Army. In this regard, without knowing reality, and by taking advantage of the judicial activism, these internal entities have manipulated various cases like memogate scandal and Mehrangate issue and case of the missing persons. In this context, let us know the example of the missing persons—a majority of these people include those people who were either kidnapped or killed by foreign-backed secret agents and their backed-insurgent groups. Many of the disappeared persons also went to Afghanistan for Jehad purposes, while some of them joined the Jehadi groups inside Pakistan. But these entities left no stone unturned in maligning Pak Army and country’s superior agency in this respect.


Notably, present drastic situation cannot be comprehended by the general masses and even the political leaders who abruptly change their opinion without logic. Therefore, they become unintentional victim of the external plotters who succeed in creating a rift particularly between the political groups, divided on ethnic and linguistic lines. These foreign enemies also seek to create a division between the political leaders and the armed forces of our country.


It is regrettable that on the one side, our multiple crises show that Pakistan is rapidly advancing towards a ‘failed state’ owing to the sinister designs of some external powers, while, on the other side, our media, particularly most of the TV channels conduct controversial debate between politicians and commentators, contesting internal politics. While speaking in the tone of anti-Pakistan elements, they have ignored the sacrifices of Pakistan’s security forces and ISI regarding the security of the country and against terrorism. Following the external media, and foreign blame game, our own internal entities have been implicating these security agencies.


At this critical hour, while deteriorating situation demands selfless unity, both our media anchors and some politicians manipulate every terror-incident or negative development against Pakistan. Accusation and counteraccusations have become their routine practice. In this context, they opine as to what the people want, but conceal as to what people actually need? Especially, it appears that a majority of Pakistan’s media anchors is on the payroll of external enemies.


Internally, Pakistan’s economic crisis has intensified, bringing about other-related problems like load shedding, unemployment, soaring prices of products and dependence upon the US-led developed countries, and IMF and World Bank for financial aid.


No doubt, today Pakistan stands at the crossroads of its destiny, facing multi-faceted internal and external threats to the national security of the country. Besides, our security forces and intelligence agencies are coping with suicide attacks, bomb blasts, sectarian violence and target-killings including sporadic battles with the militants in the tribal areas.


Nevertheless, the Independence Day demands true national unity. In the recent past, Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani who remained firm on his stand on non-interference in politics, has repeatedly insisted upon national unity. Recently, he stated, “Any effort to create divisions between important institutions of the country is not in national interest…the people of Pakistan whose support the army has always considered vital for its operations against terrorists.”


The 14th August reminds that our political leaders must pledge that they will not exploit their regional and provincial differences at the cost of the national interests so as to grab political power. In this context, a blind dedication to one’s own race, tribe and creed should not be allowed to create hatred in one group against the other.


They must avoid manipulating present thorny issues in order to gain the sympathies of general masses, and to increase the members for their parties. If any controversy has arisen between the judiciary and executive bodies or other political parties, it can better be settled in consonance with the constitution. For this aim, in order to castigate the plot of the external enemies against the country, our political leaders must also stop exploiting any crisis against the security forces and ISI whose image are deliberately being tarnished by the external conspirators.


Besides, Pakistan’s media, especially TV channels must create national cohesion among various segments of society. For this purpose, the owners of these channels must detect and terminate the services of some anchors who are working on the payroll of foreign enemies. As electronic media attract more viewers, so Pakistan’s TV commentators should give a matching response to malicious propaganda of the US-led some western countries including India and Israel which are leaving no stone unturned in distorting the image of Pakistan, its army and ISI.


At this critical juncture, Pakistan’s survival lies in strong cohesion which is also essential for our political leaders themselves, as at present, even a layman can note that our country is in chaos and it seems as if there is a “war of all against all” in the sense of ‘Hobbesian state of nature.’


No doubt, the 14th August demands true unity which is not possible without the sacrifices of the all the citizens, political, religious leaders and media for the national integration of Pakistan. There must be real national unity among the public, politicians and the security forces so as to cope with the anti-Pakistan conspiracy.


Now,firstly
Yes maybe there are various incidents showing ethnic, minority, etc hatred. But did we promote it? No, the powers who want to disintegrate and destabilise Pakistan find every opportunity to exploit racial etc difference and try to picture that Pakistan cannot protect and give opportunities to minorities. Our Media also plays important role to exploit these to increase their ratings.
Many conspiracies have been done to disunite us. Maybe previously, our enemies succeeded in there target. But now things have improved enormously.
Can you tell me a single nation where there is no ethnic,racial discrimination?
When Pakistan was created, Quaid-e-Azam emphasised that we should be United and face future challenges.
If we were currently disunited, we would be in similar situation as Afghanistan is, where all of their nation are fleeing to become refugees. We could not effectively conduct operation Zarb-i-Azb, We would not see Balochistan developed and most importantly, have faith and be optimistic of having a better future.
Tell me, do you believe that we want to have racial,ethnic differences between us. Maybe a few tens or hundred wish thus but most people accept other and behave very nicely with others. I feel very welcomed when I meet Balochis, Pathans, despite being A Punjabi. I personally find them better in their behavior than how we behave. I have Shia friends with whom I enjoy great relations despite being a sunni.
When I meet someone,I am not curious whether he is Sindhi, Punjabi, Kashmiri etc. I see him as a fellow Pakistani.

This mentality that we are not United is just made by our media as it is funded to spread hatred towards other.
The best way to break and destroy a nation is by creating racial,ethnic differences and the country will break from inside.
By union the smallest states thrive. By discord the greatest are destroyed.SALLUST

 

[SarthakGanguly]

In my humble opinion, partition was never seen by many on both sides of the border to be permanent and cast in stone.

On the Indian side, in many quarters, it was assumed that Pakistan would crumble and eventually (and quickly) come back into the fold, the wiser and suitably chastised by their little experimental sojourn.

In Pakistan, the partition in many quarters was seen by many as an opportune God-sent chance to carve out a Muslim state out of the larger Hindu whole.

But that in itself was never meant to be the final and ultimate aim.

As in 1857, both sides were fighting for themselves, not the whole.

And they still are.

Kashmir is a mirage.

The fight is about the whole.

Its a fight that has been in the making for a thousand years.

I am sorry to say but there is no mixing of oil and water. The British were an interlude.

Iran never got cleaved. Because Iran converted en masse. The few pesky ones that did not, were made an offer they could not refuse. And left.

But India was way too big. And a thousand years was simply not enough. So you had a 2/3 vs a 1/3 split.

Depending on which side you are, not insignificant OR not near satisfactory.

As they say .... picture abhi baaki hai mere dost.

Absolutely true. That is the ultimate objective. The British upset many equations. But only temporarily. A thousand year old conflict does not die out so easily.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I think the Frenchman in the OP needs to worry more about French social issues than worry about his false and imaginary assumptions about Pakistan. According to Le Pen and NF, the French race is dying out because of low birth rates and because of many French girls converting to Islam, marrying Muslims and having Muslim babies. This should be his concern. Let us worry about Pakistan.