The US may be about to score a huge intelligence victory over China

[Economic superpower]

Time to get ready to kick out ALL US NGOs and US tech companies.

Bring the hammer down NOW.

 

[Aepsilons]

During some critical moment, CPC can become incredibly ruthless that outstretches your imagination when it is necessary.

Only their type of leadership can keep China stable.

The history has already proven that China was only strong when its ruling regime is absolutely powerful and ruthless.

KMT can only be ruthless toward the poor defenceless Chinese peasants, while facing others, they are just a bunch of cowards.

No man, the CPC would not extend punishment to the family for the actions of the one man. Have you read into Chinese Civil Law?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

No man, the CPC would not extend punishment to the family for the actions of the one man. Have you read into Chinese Civil Law?

yes but Chinese tradition is stronger. don't you know the most basic thing about Chinese culture? laws are guidelines.

his family is gonna pay hard. even if not legally, then financially.

there's a shit ton of stuff to get them on including money laundering and tax evasion.

 

[Aepsilons]

We all don't belong to the inner circle of CPC, and of course we don't touch the actual information.

But everyone got a brain, so we can analyze the situation.

If he really has any classified information that touches Xi Jinping's nerve, then CPC would probably threaten to execute his entire family clan if he chose to not repatriate back to China.

No, wrong again, wrong again and again. Xi Jinping is just the President of China, he is the executor of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, he is NOT above the Law nor is he above the Constitution of the People's Republic of China.

I remind you:

Article 37 Freedom of the person of citizens of the People’s Republic of China is inviolable.


No citizen may be arrested except with the approval or by decision of a people’s procuratorate or by decision of a people’s court, and arrests must be made by a public security organ.


Unlawful detention or deprivation or restriction of citizens’ freedom of the person by other means is prohibited, and unlawful search of the person of citizens is prohibited.

The National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China

yes but Chinese tradition is stronger. don't you know the most basic thing about Chinese culture? laws are guidelines.

his family is gonna pay hard. even if not legally, then financially.

there's a shit ton of stuff to get them on including money laundering and tax evasion.

No. That would be in violation of Article 37 of the Constitution of the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

No, wrong again, wrong again and again. Xi Jinping is just the President of China, he is the executor of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, he is NOT above the Law nor is he above the Constitution of the People's Republic of China.

I remind you:

Article 37 Freedom of the person of citizens of the People’s Republic of China is inviolable.


No citizen may be arrested except with the approval or by decision of a people’s procuratorate or by decision of a people’s court, and arrests must be made by a public security organ.


Unlawful detention or deprivation or restriction of citizens’ freedom of the person by other means is prohibited, and unlawful search of the person of citizens is prohibited.

The National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China



No. That would be in violation of Article 37 of the Constitution of the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

how would that be a violation if they are suspects for tax evasion and money laundering, and thus a flight risk?

it is perfectly legal to detain them for the duration of the case.

 

[Aepsilons]

how would that be a violation if they are suspects for tax evasion and money laundering, and thus a flight risk?

it is perfectly legal to detain them for the duration of the case.

Has it been proven in the People's Procurate? Or in the Supreme People's Procurate? Has there been an injunction filed? If not, then everything is by hearsay, and thus are innocent as they are innocent until proven guilty.

The family members are protected by the Article 37 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China. The Independent judiciary through the Procurate will address issues in a court of law, and without interference from party members, period. The President of China , himself, has no power to invoke special interventive powers in the Supreme People's Procurate and its lower courts. In fact, to do so would be in violation of the executive powers of the President.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No man, the CPC would not extend punishment to the family for the actions of the one man. Have you read into Chinese Civil Law?

At most of time, CPC will abide the law that they created in China, but under some special circumstance, the law can certainly be broken.

And most Chinese civilians wouldn't care if they execute the entire family clan of a corrupt official, since they all know that none of his family members is likely clean, since they all benefited from the graft of the corrupt official.

The Chinese civilians only care if CPC could keep treating them nicely and also improving their living standard.

 

[Aepsilons]

At most of time, CPC will abide the law that they created in China, but under some special circumstance, the law can certainly be broken.

Absolutely there is no 'special circumstance' that laws can be broken. That is the sacred nature of constitutional law; it is the highest law of the land.

Many Chinese politicians have tried to break such laws, lo and behold many of them have fallen from power and sacked.

Xi Jinping would be wise to remember this.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Absolutely there is no 'special circumstance' that laws can be broken. That is the sacred nature of constitutional law; it is the highest law of the land.

Many Chinese politicians have tried to break such laws, lo and behold many of them have fallen from power and sacked.

Xi Jinping would be wise to remember this.

The Chinese mentality is all about pragmatism.

Since the law is written by man, then man also has the power to break it when it is needed.

 

[Aepsilons]

The Chinese mentality is all about pragmatism.

Since the law is written by man, then man also has the power to break it when it is needed.

I have taken International Law Classes in Gradual Level Setting. I have attended Gradual Level courses taught in Tsinghua University focusing in Judicial Law as well as Psychology of Political Law in China.

I believe that it is unfair for me to discourse with you because you have no command of the issue and are just talking just to talk.

Thanks.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I have taken International Law Classes in Gradual Level Setting. I have attended Gradual Level courses taught in Tsinghua University focusing in Judicial Law as well as Psychology of Political Law in China.

I believe that it is unfair for me to discourse with you because you have no command of the issue and are just talking just to talk.

Thanks.

Well, CPC is only prone to temporarily break the law when it is needed, but at most of time, they will abide the law they created.

When you talk about your own country Japan, you guys wanna change your constitution and go back to your militarist root. Then you just want to permanently break the law.

So first stick with your own country's business please.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Has it been proven in the People's Procurate? Or in the Supreme People's Procurate? Has there been an injunction filed? If not, then everything is by hearsay, and thus are innocent as they are innocent until proven guilty.

The family members are protected by the Article 37 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China. The Independent judiciary through the Procurate will address issues in a court of law, and without interference from party members, period. The President of China , himself, has no power to invoke special interventive powers in the Supreme People's Procurate and its lower courts. In fact, to do so would be in violation of the executive powers of the President.

The problem is that this type of crime often does involve the families, it is like the Mafia or the Triads. And I'm not talking about them having "some indirect knowledge" of the crime (or obstruction of justice etc) but active and willing participation.

So it's not persecution or anything like that, it is justice.

 

[Kompromat]

Or maybe MSS will use it to feed crap to CIA, how do we know?

This has the potential to be a significant intelligence haul. Not only would he have info on the CCP, but if he's aware of the corrupt inner workings of the CCP, the CIA could use that to blackmail CCP officials.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Or maybe MSS will use it to feed crap to CIA, how do we know?

That's the beautiful thing about having information about "social relationships", such things are impossible to prove. It's not like gravity where you can measure it and verify it.

Information about social relationships is 100% subjective. He could talk bullsh*t all day long and they would have no way to disprove it, or even any reason to disbelieve it.

 

[Aepsilons]

The problem is that this type of crime often does involve the families, it is like the Mafia or the Triads. And I'm not talking about them having "some indirect knowledge" of the crime (or obstruction of justice etc) but active and willing participation.

So it's not persecution or anything like that, it is justice.

What the Supreme Procurate can do is to give this case in a civil court where the local procurate will file a subpoena for members of the family to attend court and to answer questions in the court of law. Again, that can only be done if and when the Procurate commands this, but until then, the family members are protected and their rights are guaranteed as Citizens of the People's Republic of China , under Article 37 of the Constitution.

They are thus innocent, and while there are folks who are already labeling them as guilty, that is erroneous as only the People's Procurate has the power to dispense justice of guilt or innocence. What I think is going on here, my friend, is that people are being influenced by media sensationalism.

As in Japanese Courts, it is only the Courts that dispense justice, media speculation and media sensationalism should be irrelevant and should not be used to influence citizens' minds.