The US may be about to score a huge intelligence victory over China

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think you guys have severely overestimated Ling Jihua's position within CPC.

Zhou Yongkang, a former member of the politburo, who was by far higher ranked and more powerful than Ling Jihua ever was, and pretty sure that some of his family members and associates were also in the political asylum of the US, yet it still didn't cause any damage to CPC.

Because CPC is simply too powerful which makes you guys too desperate, and even a small fish like Ling Jihua can give you an orgasm, lol.

The biggest whistleblower among CPC is Zhou Yongkang, not Ling Jihua.

CPC has already fried a bigger and more dangerous whistleblower like Zhou, do you think they will get afraid of getting whistleblowed by Ling Jihua?

All Ling Jihua can do is to further damage Wen Jiabao and his pro-liberal faction, that's all.

 

[gambit]

That is precisely the crux of the matter. In a "Brotherhood of Thieves" everybody has the goods on nearly everybody else. Then it gets really hard to predict where the dominos will fall.

If you replace General A with Admiral B into a certain position, depending on the position, Admiral B's behaviors may not deviate much from General A when A was occupying that position. In a hierarchy that relies on despotism and corruption to maintain structural integrity, individuals come and go with each working hard to secure his retirement because he knows that as time passes, his value as a contributor rapidly diminish and upon retirement from that structure, his value can be deem worthless on a whim. It is this machine that we want. The individuals are like lubricants in this machine. We want the gears and the algorithms that regulate their movements.

 

[Raphael]

You missed the point of this being an intelligence treasure for US. This is far far less about individuals than it is about the structures of relationships inside the Party. Why care about the sailors when you can access the plans for the entire sub ?

Your analogy fails pretty badly. A political system doesn't have 'blueprints' because it is not concrete like a sub but actually highly malleable. Especially in CCP where power changes bring radical restructuring as you are currently seeing. Hypothetically in the 80's, how much help would a defector telling you about Mao's autocratic governing style tell you about Deng?

We can have a bet about your controversial hypothesis. If China makes absurd concessions to get LWC back, it will show that he truly has damaging information. If not, it shows he's just a clueless pawn.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Your analogy fails pretty badly. A political system doesn't have 'blueprints' because it is not concrete like a sub but actually highly malleable. Especially in CCP where power changes bring radical restructuring as you are currently seeing. Hypothetically in the 80's, how much help would a defector telling you about Mao's autocratic governing style tell you about Deng?

We can have a bet about your controversial hypothesis. If China makes absurd concessions to get LWC back, it will show that he truly has damaging information. If not, it shows he's just a clueless pawn.

We should let LWC to stay in the US for longer, since he is definitely going to bury WJB and his dirty faction.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

If you replace General A with Admiral B into a certain position, depending on the position, Admiral B's behaviors may not deviate much from General A when A was occupying that position. In a hierarchy that relies on despotism and corruption to maintain structural integrity, individuals come and go with each working hard to secure his retirement because he knows that as time passes, his value as a contributor rapidly diminish and upon retirement from that structure, his value can be deem worthless on a whim. It is this machine that we want. The individuals are like lubricants in this machine. We want the gears and the algorithms that regulate their movements.

In a rigidly doctrinaire hierarchial system that the CCP is (post Mao); the individuals matter little, they are in a sense 'joy-riders or piggy-backers'. The only thing that matters is the DNA embedded.

 

[EAsian]

I agree with you guys.He is dangerous and he should be assassinated just like other corrupt CCP leaders who run to The US.

 

[atatwolf]

I hope China's dirty laundry will be put out for the world to see.

 

[Raphael]

We should let LWC to stay in the US, since he is going to bury WJB and his dirty faction.

I still don't understand why NYT exposed WJB's family lol. Now they cry everyday about how 'authoritarian' Xi's administration is and how all pro-Western voices have been snuffed out. And yet they were the ones who discredited the pro-Western faction of the CCP. Like shooting your own pawn.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I agree with you guys.He is dangerous and he should be assassinated just like other corrupt CCP leaders who run to The US.

Not necessarily, LWC should stay in the US, since his biggest victim will be undoubtedly Wen Jiabao and his faction.

When Wen Jiabao is done, the pro-US liberals in China will simply lose another huge pillar.

I still don't understand why NYT exposed WJB's family lol. Now they cry everyday about how 'authoritarian' Xi's administration is and how all pro-Western voices have been snuffed out. And yet they were the ones who discredited the pro-Western faction of the CCP. Like shooting your own pawn.

That was really a bad stupid move made by the US.

Since they initially believed that exposing the CPC officials could cause more damage to the image of CPC in the eyes of the Chinese people.

Even Wen Jiabao is just an expendable pawn for them, so that's extremely strong message to other liberals that you are just a pawn and being expendable at anytime.

 

[gambit]

Your analogy fails pretty badly. A political system doesn't have 'blueprints' because it is not concrete like a sub but actually highly malleable. Especially in CCP where power changes bring radical restructuring as you are currently seeing. Hypothetically in the 80's, how much help would a defector telling you about Mao's autocratic governing style tell you about Deng?

That is absurd. This is BASIC Political Science.

Political institutions like the Dept. of Justice or the FBI are rigid structures and whoever controls and/or maintains access to them have political power. Another form of such a structure is Senatorial confirmation: If the Senate does not approve of the President's nomination, the President is denied a political ally/subordinate/lackey/whatever.

The Chinese government is no different. What we want and possibly will gain are the details on how relationships and influences ensures or increases the odds of having people and things move/accomplish without encountering those structural limitations.

 

[EAsian]

Not necessarily, LWC should stay in the US, since his biggest victim will be undoubtedly Wen Jiabao and his faction.

When Wen Jiabao is done, the pro-US liberals in China will simply lose another huge pillar.

What are you thinking about？A high level CCP leader who also become a traitor of his country should be assassinated immidiately.Isn't that obivious？How do you know which kind of secret he may hold？

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What are you thinking about？A high level CCP leader who also become a traitor of his country should be assassinated immidiately.Isn't that obivious？How do you know which kind of secret he may hold？

He is already a dead fish in the political sense, but let the rest of his value to be exploited for once more.

 

[Aepsilons]

I agree with you guys.He is dangerous and he should be assassinated just like other corrupt CCP leaders who run to The US.

How can he be assassinated? He's in the United States, and is most probably under CIA protection.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Most people didn't aware that CPC also got its conservative faction and liberal faction, and the blood feud between these two factions will simply make that between the US democrat and the US republican looks like a child's play.

Both Ling Jihua and Wen Jiabao belong to the liberal faction, and most of their associates will also belong to the liberal faction.

When Li Jihua's brother is going to whistleblow something, then the most affected CPC officials will undoubtedly be those who belong to the liberal faction, and this is simply the common sense.

 

[Aepsilons]

He is already a dead fish in the political sense, but let the rest of his value to be exploited for once more.

You're not getting Gambit's premise. Gambit is saying that this Chinese political figure carries with him sensitive information regarding the inner workings of the CCP, specifically in regards to to Xi Jinping. There are obvious benefits to such data , and I'm sure the United States of America will utilize this as effectively as possible to forward the American Agenda.

Most people didn't aware that CPC also got its conservative faction and liberal faction, and the blood feud between these two factions will simply make that between the US democrat and the US republican looks like a child play.

Don't be silly, of course they do. Japanese Academicians who specialize in Chinese Political Economy know this. lol.