The US may be about to score a huge intelligence victory over China

[sweetgrape]

Why the guy can excape from CCP monitoring? and seems now, USA and China both to hype the affair, this become a interesting game, let's play.

I like Xi, let's see whether China government can become soft as the affair going, maybe both sides want using the affair, USA want blackmailing CCP, CCP want pushing antigraft.

In fact, I think, the time when the USA blackmail CCP is Jiang era, and the early stage of Hu, but seems at that time they keep silent, such kind of affair, when both sides begin hyping it, it has hinted its real value.

If it was just the dirty laundry, the CIA wouldn't be all over it wouldn't it? You are a brilliant fool.



Xi is in trouble. He's about to lose his precious throne.



Why even bother explaining to the uneducated. Waste of time.

The Vietnamese idiot appear again, hehe, don't troll here, lier, you should buy a Bphone, support your vietnamese economy first, make strong fishboat first.

 

[opruh]

You consider that a huge victory, seems like Americans cheer for even the tiniest things. What have once the mighty USA has become really fascinates me, it's quite funny.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

This Ling card should have been played in May before Wang Qishan‘s visit，instead the US felt it lacking ammunition and wanted to save this for a better occasion.. Well guess what, Xi's visit in September won’t talk much business with Obama，he will “drop by” at the White House only out of curtersy and be on his way to Jeb Bush and other hopefuls..

the US can keep this petty bluffing to itself，we can see bad poker player right through

 

[sicsheep]

he maybe the highest ranking CCP official to publicly defect to the US, but he's hardly a intelligence treasure.
US predicted XI was being groomed to take power way before anyone else, so saying US does not have an understanding of relationships inside the CCP is almost an insult to the CIA.
he was a mere secretary of the previous administration, the fact CCP knows he will be debriefed by the CIA will cause CCP to make alteration to make their action less predictable.

The are far more high ranking Russians who defect to the US including ones who worked in the Putin administration, but were the CIA able to predict Russian takeover of Crimea? NO...

 

[sweetgrape]

I hit that nerve again?

Don't be that naughty, keep silent, you ex-father and future-father are playing the game.

Back to topic:
As the antigraft going, more corrupted officers will be threw to jail, but these family of corrupted high class officer should be monitored, don't let them excaped easily.

And, China will become more tougher to the world(Western and its allier around China), Why Phillippine and Vietnam， Japan and USA dare to stimulate China without cost before? especially weak vietnam and Phillippine， I more believe that the CCP had been blackmailed before， or the national secret was leaked out by some high class leader， it is time make these corrupted pay the price.

 

[JSCh]

A brother to the aide to the premier of the last administration.

The equivalent to be US would be,

Brother to the aide of the secretary of state of the past administration(Bush).
Therefore, brother to the aide of Condoleezza Rice?

And if that is too long ago, maybe to Hilary Clinton, but Hilary Clinton work in the current(Obama), not past administration.

How much do you think a guy like that would know?

Li Jihua has been under investigation for years already. During that time, China ask for extradition of the brother to aid in the investigation. US has delay by refusing.

Couple days ago, the investigation has concluded and Ling was officially expelled from the CCP and would be formally charged.

And now, these news come out from the western media.

You decide what it is about.

 

[gambit]

The idea that LWC has any special esoteric knowledge about the structural workings of the Party is laughable,...

Are YOU a Party member ? Probably not.

Here is something that probably you Chinese on this forum do not know, but businessmen, Chinese and foreigners, the kind that deal in hundreds of millions of dollars, knew all too well: That in every company that are in strategic industries, the Party always have at least one political officer who answers only to the Party. This guy is the relay between the Party and the corporate board.

So yeah...You can bet whatever paltry salary you have for the next yr that Ling does have esoteric knowledge of the inner working of the Party. Once the CIA debriefed him, and you can read my post 68 for just a glimpse of what will happen, we will have much better ideas on how the Party works, how much money exchanged hands, the financial institutions involved, etc...etc...

...given that the Party is infinitely restructuring and reforming. It's happening before your eyes with the anti-corruption purges, and yet you have the temerity to deny it.

The anti-corruption purges are nothing more than house cleaning for Xi to consolidate power. It is hard to argue against corruption. It is estimated that in the US, if the FBI and the IRS are diligent enough, every US citizen would be guilty of at least three felonies. You pick at someone's life long and deep enough, you will find sins even in saints and angels, buddy. And in your China, the corruption charge is nothing more than a cover to get rid of someone.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Not sure, but he'll probably get asylum if he

You missed the part where he may have info on current and former officials loyal to Xi.

Interesting . CCP corruption will be the beginning of its downfall like KMT. Hopefully the next party will not easilly succomb to tge charms of dollars.

 

[Raphael]

Are YOU a Party member ? Probably not.

Here is something that probably you Chinese on this forum do not know, but businessmen, Chinese and foreigners, the kind that deal in hundreds of millions of dollars, knew all too well: That in every company that are in strategic industries, the Party always have at least one political officer who answers only to the Party. This guy is the relay between the Party and the corporate board.

So yeah...You can bet whatever paltry salary you have for the next yr that Ling does have esoteric knowledge of the inner working of the Party. Once the CIA debriefed him, and you can read my post 68 for just a glimpse of what will happen, we will have much better ideas on how the Party works, how much money exchanged hands, the financial institutions involved, etc...etc...

So you finally admitted that LWC's alleged intelligence value is not about the mysterious 'structure' of the Party (you seem confident you already know about Party representatives on corporate boards, etc), but instead about individual politicians and individual dealings. But that brings us back to the original point: LJH has been in the cold since 2012 and doesn't know anything about the Xi's administration. If LWC wants to reveal more about Wen Jiabao's dirty dealings or other corruption during his term, all the better lol.

Anyway, I'm not impressed by your account of the mystical intelligence-gathering procedures and tactics of the CIA. Sounds like you plagiarized from a Tom Clancy novel. If the CIA uses the same tactics of LWC that they used to learn about Saddam's WMDs, then I hope they squeeze everything they can out of LWC

 

[gambit]

Why even bother explaining to the uneducated. Waste of time.

It just goes to show how shallow is their thinking when they repeatedly insists that Ling does not know every dirty little details of Party officials.

We do not care about blackmail and dirty laundry. We want to know, as much as possible, how relationships develops and functions inside the Party. The deeper that understanding, the greater the odds that we will have a better picture of the Chinese leadership on what they may do under what circumstances. This seems to be beyond their grasp.

So you finally admitted that LWC's alleged intelligence value is not about the mysterious 'structure' of the Party (you seem confident you already know about Party representatives on corporate boards, etc), but instead about individual politicians and individual dealings. But that brings us back to the original point: LJH has been in the cold since 2012 and doesn't know anything about the Xi's administration. If LWC wants to reveal more about Wen Jiabao's dirty dealings or other corruption during his term, all the better lol.

I 'admitted' nothing. What the Party have in corporate boards is just another way for the Party to maintain control. But it is revealing of your simple mind to latch onto that to be that is all we want.

Anyway, I'm not impressed by your account of the mystical intelligence-gathering procedures and tactics of the CIA. Sounds like you plagiarized from a Tom Clancy novel. If the CIA uses the same tactics of LWC that they used to learn about Saddam's WMDs, then I hope they squeeze everything they can out of LWC

I do not care if you are impressed or not.

CIA Hiring Chief Demystifies Agency's Recruitment (And Reveals Top Interview Questions) - Forbes

During the background investigation and polygraph testing any inconsistencies will be noted.

The CIA will conduct polygraph exams of recruits but not of foreigners who wants to work for US ?

 

[sicsheep]

So you finally admitted that LWC's alleged intelligence value is not about the mysterious 'structure' of the Party (you seem confident you already know about Party representatives on corporate boards, etc), but instead about individual politicians and individual dealings. But that brings us back to the original point: LJH has been in the cold since 2012 and doesn't know anything about the Xi's administration. If LWC wants to reveal more about Wen Jiabao's dirty dealings or other corruption during his term, all the better lol.

Anyway, I'm not impressed by your account of the mystical intelligence-gathering procedures and tactics of the CIA. Sounds like you plagiarized from a Tom Clancy novel. If the CIA uses the same tactics of LWC that they used to learn about Saddam's WMDs, then I hope they squeeze everything they can out of LWC

lol dont waste your time with this guy, we are talking about a guy whose brother was a aide that been demoted, sidelined and under investigation since 2012. he had as much info as Monica Lewinsky has on the upcoming Hilary Clinton administration lol
if he really had sensitive info so damaging, they would never have let him leave in the first place.

 

[Raphael]

It just goes to show how shallow is their thinking when they repeatedly insists that Ling does not know every dirty little details of Party officials.

You admit nothing? You just admitted it here again. Always insisting you will learn about Party 'structure' from LWC, yet here you can only gloat about learning "dirty details" of individual "party officials". Actually, we have never denied that LWC may have these 'dirty details'. But none about the Xi administration.

CIA Hiring Chief Demystifies Agency's Recruitment (And Reveals Top Interview Questions) - Forbes

The CIA will conduct polygraph exams of recruits but not of foreigners who wants to work for US ?

Dude, stop trying to wow and intimidate me with the word 'polygraph' lol. You're not talking to someone who was raised in an Indochinese jungle, who would be impressed by snake oil like that.

lol dont waste your time with this guy, we are talking about a guy whose brother was a aide that been demoted, sidelined and under investigation since 2012. he had as much info as Monica Lewinsky has on the upcoming Hilary Clinton administration lol
if he really had sensitive info so damaging, they would never have let him leave in the first place.

It's plausible to think Lewinsky has info about Hillary Clinton. gambit's claim is closer to saying Scooter Libby's brother had secret information about Obama . It goes to show why he works as a mechanic and not in a job that requires people skills.

 

[JSCh]

One does wonder how did Snowden that was allowed root access priviledge to NSA computer got pass the test.

 

[TaiShang]

One does wonder how did Snowden that has root access to NSA computer got pass the test.

I wonder, if the US regime cannot handle Hillary's e-mails, how will they handle so much intel that this new-found guy will provide? I bet even Gambit would be overwhelmed by the immense task.

Could we trust them they will be able to utilize the extracted information without spilling them all over the place?

US FBI Investigates Security of Private Clinton Email Servers / Sputnik International

Why US regime's spying establishment cannot be put in a better shape? Too much corruption?

 

[Keel]

What's "exposed" in the US news are not first-hand material.
It is not breaking news nor there is any exclusivity attached to it at all and there is an element of "uncertainty" in the title

I agree in principles to the comments of @ChineseTiger1986 and @Rafael

The arrests of Zhou YK and Bo Xilai were much more dangerous moves by President Xi and Wang Qishan when Xi's position was not as concretely established. If you can still remember during the whole incidents of arrests which were so dramatic that Xi was absent from public limelights for a while. It was said that Zhou, who was the Security Chief then, has planned to stage a coup against Xi. That has led to Xi's absence for protection of his personal safety but Xi later clarified he has hurt his back while swimming.

Ling JH was the top aide of ex-President Hu and he was also a Director of the General Office of CPC.

Zhou and Bo have had much more muscles than Ling because Ling's boss, Hu JT did not appear to have extended his " political ambition" to the current Government after his retirement unlike Jiang ZM. Ling JH as Hu follower losed his power as a consequence. 树倒猢狲散

Even so Ling JH's arrest is not something one should have taken lightly. Wang QS should have well planned Ling's apphrension well before the arrest took place. That means close monitoring of his personal movements and transactions including his 'family-tree" for sometime. Somehow his brother broke loose and escaped to his hideouts in the US

The argument was on whether there is anything valuable to the US for LWC to leak. There is none and what he may reveal are open secret as mentioned by Tiger, Rafael and some members above.

You cant draw blood from a pc of stone PERIOD

If you want to have a sample of how bad a viet member behaves in a proper topic, look @frequency above