The US is like a warzone, another shooting: 10 dead, 10 wounded in shooting at Santa Fe HS

[khansaheeb]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1408684/f...ge-student-killed-in-santa-fe-school-shooting


Family, friends mourn Pakistani exchange student killed in Santa Fe school shooting
AP | Dawn.comUpdated May 19, 2018
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Sabika Sheikh was supposed to return home to her parents on June 9. — Photo Courtesy: Facebook

Sabika Sheikh, a 17-year-old Pakistani scholar participating in the Kennedy-Lugar Youth Exchange and Study (YES) programme in the US, was one of the 10 people killed when a teenage classmate armed with a shotgun and a revolver opened fire in the Santa Fe High School in Texas yesterday.

"We found out about the shooting from a local TV channel and tried, but failed to contact Sabika and her friends," said Sabika's father Abdul Aziz

Innalillahi wainna illaihey rajioon

May Allah grant Sabika highest ranks in Jannat.


On a serious matter. For all the Pakistani parents who are keen on sending their kids to forigen lands for education specially at school and college level, to countries like America which are porne to this kind of terrorism, its my humble advise to them as a father who has raised his kids in West, stay put and raise your kids within Pakistani education system till they reach universities. Pakistani education system is on a different level and intensity. Do not put your kids in danger unnecessarily.

Ameen.

 

[Zarvan]

If you think this is as bad as a war zone, then I would suggest you should never be in an actual warzone. It's completely different. I have been there, it's nothing like school shooting.

And god help China if they send people like you to war, most likely you guys gonna kill yourselves before you can actually go down fighting.



Strangely, nobody here ever mentioned a mass shooting here in Australia a week ago back in Margaret River when a grandfather shot and kill his wife, his daughter and his daughter 4 children, then himself, so 7 people died in Margaret River just a week ago.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-...cide-shooting-rips-apart-holiday-town/9753552

Gun crime can happen anywhere in the world, people who are nuts about it would do it, whether or not gun control law in effect or not (Gun are VERY TIGHTLY CONTROL in Australia, you are not even allow to own a BB gun).

The bottom line of the problem is mental health care, a normal person will not decided to go kill a bunch of people one day, people who kill in this number most likely have some degree of mental issue. If these kept uncheck, then these people will become homicidal, and whether or not using gun to kill is beside the point, if I meant to kill people, even if I do not have access to firearms, I would still be able to kill a lot of people using stuff ranging from Cars, Knife or even poison gas (you can make poison gas from household ingredient)



Mental issue play a major role in all these shooting.

You can forbid people to own gun, but you can't forbid people to go crazy, and once a person suffer with mental problem, and it left unchecked, they will do stupid thing like this.

Whether or not they have access to weapon is beside the point, if I don't kill by firearms, I could as easily kill by knife, automotive or even explosive or chemical.

In my opinion, US need to revamp their mental health care system.

22 second school shooting this year alone it's no less than a warzone USA just don't want to admit

 

[Feng Leng]

22 second school shooting this year alone it's no less than a warzone USA just don't want to admit

When it gets really bad in a warzone, then it's called a "massacre"!

 

[Super Falcon]

Famous saying u get what u did to others

 

[jhungary]

22 second school shooting this year alone it's no less than a warzone USA just don't want to admit

So? there are 22 school shooting, how many people were killed in those 22 shooting? 39 killed and 61 wounded (of those 39 killed, 9 were the perpetrator) That is less than 1 suicide bombing in Afghanistan and 1 minor operation in Syria.

Do you even know what a warzone looks like? From your unlimited experience of crouch sitting and TV watching? A warzone is a place where there are no law and order, an open season and free for all on you, not just people have guns are hostile, but literally everything can kill you. Trees, Cars, house, a bridge you step on, a road you walk. Even the air you breath, they are all hostile.

School shooting is a random occurrence, like stepping on an IED, as much as any crime happened anywhere in the world. The problem is, it usually happen in your backyard, that's where the shock is. A warzone is different, when everything you see is basically against you, and everything people do were there to kill you. There are roughly 36,000 high school in the US, 22/36,000 is the odds you walk in a high school and get shot, the odds is a lot better than you walk down a street of Iraq and Afghanistan and get shot or blown up.

As I said, if you think all these high school shooting amount to a warzone, that only mean you have no idea what a warzone looks like, and if this is what you actually think, then I would suggest you should NEVER be in a war

 

[Dalit]

I do know how it feel killing by firearms and by knife, I am probably one of the few people here that actually did kill a person with both firearms and bayonet in war. I know how it feels.

What you are describing is what happened immediately before you pull the trigger and immediately you stick a knife in someone. The "threshold" is not as big as the one that, when you make a decision somebody is going to die today.

Problem with people view with firearms (I will refer to gun from now on) is that it's not upclose and personal, where you detached from the reality of someone is going to die and killed by you. The problem is, this is already accounted when you decided to kill in the first place, once a person have decided he or she will kill someone, the choice of knifes and guns are only the weapon of choice.

Think of it this way, if you are of sound mental health, will you increase your urge to kill when I handed you a loaded gun? If I hand a knife and a gun to a normal person, they won't say "ah, I got a gun now, I gotta shoot someone" People who, on the other hand already have made up their mind to kill, already had the wheel in motion, and choosing a gun or a knife to do his/her deed is just a process. Because you already have the mind to kill. And that's abnormal to begin with.

I will concede that killing people with a gun is way more easy than knife, but at the end of the day, it is the nature of mass killing, a one off, planned attack over a large area, people who prefer to kill with a knife usually more calculated and more plan have to put in motion, that did not fit the profile of a mass murder, it more suited with the profile of a serial killer.

On the other hand, gun control would have no use in these situation, in fact, gun control would only make the course of killing easier, because you are less likely to encounter armed resistance during your deed. People who usually do this kind of stuff would have had his weapon illegally, or obtained with the fact that they are legally covered (like belong to a gun club or some sort) Both of which would have by-passed gun control law. Even in Australia, gun crime is actually a problem when Australia have a strong gun control culture, to an effect that you cannot own toy gun (A friend of mind actually was charged by the police for selling toy gun, those shooting water bullet from China, and he got charge like he is a big arms dealer....)

The overall problem I see is the mental health problem and lack of mental health care, as I said, if you are right in your mind, you wont go down and kill a bunch of people when I handed you a loaded gun, people have to be sick in the head before something like this is done. And we aren't doing enough to care for these people, which is how this turn out.



You should not waste your time with the infirmed to begin with, he call everything American do is anti-Pakistani, not point talking to a person like that.

Says the guy who believes that Pakistan is to be blamed for all the ills in the world.

So? there are 22 school shooting, how many people were killed in those 22 shooting? 39 killed and 61 wounded (of those 39 killed, 9 were the perpetrator) That is less than 1 suicide bombing in Afghanistan and 1 minor operation in Syria.

Do you even know what a warzone looks like? From your unlimited experience of crouch sitting and TV watching? A warzone is a place where there are no law and order, an open season and free for all on you, not just people have guns are hostile, but literally everything can kill you. Trees, Cars, house, a bridge you step on, a road you walk. Even the air you breath, they are all hostile.

School shooting is a random occurrence, like stepping on an IED, as much as any crime happened anywhere in the world. The problem is, it usually happen in your backyard, that's where the shock is. A warzone is different, when everything you see is basically against you, and everything people do were there to kill you. There are roughly 36,000 high school in the US, 22/36,000 is the odds you walk in a high school and get shot, the odds is a lot better than you walk down a street of Iraq and Afghanistan and get shot or blown up.

As I said, if you think all these high school shooting amount to a warzone, that only mean you have no idea what a warzone looks like, and if this is what you actually think, then I would suggest you should NEVER be in a war

You just keep telling yourself this BS. Keep patting yourself on the back.

The whole world has a set of eyes. They can see what is going on. Your denial isn't going to change the reality one bit.

 

[jhungary]

Says the guy who believes that Pakistan is to be blamed for all the ills in the world.

lol, how drunk were you?

Have I ever said Pakistan was to blame for all the ills in the world? Do you even know my view with Pakistan? Ask your fellow Pakistani around.

You, on the other hand, is saying what you said to me, instead of Pakistan, it's America.

And I have no time for clown like you.

You just keep telling yourself this BS. Keep patting yourself on the back.

The whole world has a set of eyes. They can see what is going on. Your denial isn't going to change the reality one bit.

Lol, fun to see it come from a person who think that dude killed a Pakistani Exchange student, and there must be some "conspiracy" toward Pakistan in this particular incident.

LOL

 

[Dalit]

22 second school shooting this year alone it's no less than a warzone USA just don't want to admit

You are arguing with a brick wall. This guy believes that anyone who criticizes US policies or opposes US hegemonic designs is the devil. Pointless to debate with a brainwashed brick wall.

lol, how drunk were you?

Have I ever said Pakistan was to blame for all the ills in the world? Do you even know my view with Pakistan? Ask your fellow Pakistani around.

You, on the other hand, is saying what you said to me, instead of Pakistan, it's America.

And I have no time for clown like you.



Lol, fun to see it come from a person who think that dude killed a Pakistani Exchange student, and there must be some "conspiracy" toward Pakistan in this particular incident.

LOL

He says he has no time yet the fool replied in an instant.

LOL dude keep crying rivers. Like I said the whole world has witnessed how violent America is. Trump has unleashed the violent side of white America. Just take it on your chin. You are going to be here a long time defending many "random shootings" as you like to call it LOL There is no escape from these shootings.

 

[jhungary]

You are arguing with a brick wall. This guy believes that anyone who criticizes US policies or us opposed to US hegemonic designs is the devil. Pointless to debate with a brick wall.



He says he has no time yet the fool replied in an instant.

LOL dude keep crying rivers. Like I said the whole world has witnessed how violent America is. Trump has unleashed the violent side of white America because you are going to be here a long time defending many "random shootings" as you like to call it LOL

Yeah, yeah, yeah, America is bad, American is the scum of the world, and yet annually many Pakistani move to America. And you sir, move are in NEtherland, an Allies of America, so I don't know what that even called.

Do carry on and bash America in the expense of innocent people getting killed. I have no time for people like you, my word are reserved for the sane and learned person, not you, so, move along now, professor. Go do some jihad in Netherland, and stop replying to my post. And I would not reply to yours.

 

[Dalit]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, America is bad, American is the scum of the world, and yet annually many Pakistani move to America. And you sir, move are in NEtherland, an Allies of America, so I don't know what that even called.

Do carry on and bash America in the expense of innocent people getting killed. I have no time for people like you, my word are reserved for the sane and learned person, not you, so, move along now, professor. Go do some jihad in Netherland, and stop replying to my post. And I would not reply to yours.

He says I am drunk LOL Ask your diplomats who drive drunk, cross a red light, kill innocent Pakistanis and hide behind diplomatic immunity.

Shouldn't you be supporting your Israeli buddies who are killing unarmed Palestinians or killing Pakistanis at colleges or those who are driving a bike on the road? Your countrymen are excellent at murdering unarmed Pakistanis. Now take a hike before I smash your skull you filthy killer apologist. He calls himself a professional LOL What a disgrace.

 

[jhungary]

He says I am drunk LOL Ask your diplomats who drive drunk, cross a red light, kill innocent Pakistanis and hide behind diplomatic immunity.

Shouldn't you be supporting your Israeli buddies who are killing unarmed Palestinians or killing Pakistanis at colleges or driving a bike on the road? Your countrymen are excellent at murdering unarmed Pakistanis. Now take a hike before I smash your skull you filthy killer apologist. He calls himself a professional LOL

Now I am gonna have a go with you.

What did your country do to that "Diplomat"? Oh, he was released.

And didn't Netherland was so independent it did not follow any country in to any foreign war? Wait a minute, no, they followed the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, shouldn't you be supporting your Dutch compatriot and invade your fellow Muslim nation? LOL, Murica is evil, being an immigrant of a Nation that bow down to Murica is just pathetic. Even more so to a Muslim. LOL But then I did not see you burning your passport in protest, so you must be one of these self-hating Muslim living in Netherland.

MUST BE HARD FOR YOU YOUR BELOEVED Pakistan to open both arms and accept American technology, military hardware, and even their war LOL. Must be really hurting your own government sell out to the America like that. LOL

Now move alone before I skin you like a salmon and then cut off your balls and post it on the internet like a few of your brethren who did it to some poor capture soldier, now, do go back and live in stoneage, I don't care.

 

[Dalit]

Now I am gonna have a go with you.

What did your country do to that "Diplomat"? Oh, he was released.

And didn't Netherland was so independent it did not follow any country in to any foreign war? Wait a minute, no, they followed the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, shouldn't you be supporting your Dutch compatriot and invade your fellow Muslim nation? LOL, Murica is evil, being an immigrant of a Nation that bow down to Murica is just pathetic. Even more so to a Muslim. LOL But then I did not see you burning your passport in protest, so you must be one of these self-hating Muslim living in Netherland.

MUST BE HARD FOR YOU YOUR BELOEVED Pakistan to open both arms and accept American technology, military hardware, and even their war LOL. Must be really hurting your own government sell out to the America like that. LOL

Now move alone before I skin you like a salmon and then cut off your balls and post it on the internet like a few of your brethren who did it to some poor capture soldier, now, do go back and live in stoneage, I don't care.

Stop replying to me. I have told you what you need to be told. Stop dragging this and destroying the decorum of this forum.

 

[jhungary]

Stop replying to me. I have told you what you need to be told. Stop dragging this and destroying the decorum of this forum.

Lol, aren't you the one who said "I am gonna to smash my skull before XXXX" Don't just stand there, do it? I dare ya.

Do you even know what sound it make when your skull exploded? A 5.56 bullets pass thru your skull and the projectile tumble and destroying your brain when it goes along? It start with a sharp sound, where your skull break open, then a woosh sound where the bullet passing thru your brain, and then a pop when everything in the back of your head is gone. This is how a head explode.

Between you and me, never say something you cannot even do, it just stupid.

Decorum? Ha, you of all people should say this.

Now, this is fun.

Don't try to be strong and big when you are just a little kid. KID.

 

[Dalit]

Lol, aren't you the one who said "I am gonna to smash my skull before XXXX" Don't just stand there, do it? I dare ya.

Do you even know what sound it make when your skull exploded? A 5.56 bullets pass thru your skull and the projectile tumble and destroying your brain when it goes along? It start with a sharp sound, where your skull break open, then a woosh sound where the bullet passing thru your brain, and then a pop when everything in the back of your head is gone. This is how a head explode.

Between you and me, never say something you cannot even do, it just stupid.

Decorum? Ha, you of all people should say this.

Now, this is fun.

Don't try to be strong and big when you are just a little kid. KID.

You obsessed twat. Let it go now and stop acting like a little toddler.

 

[jhungary]

You obsessed twat. Let it go now and stop acting like a little toddler.

I don't recall I call on you first, you called on me, talk about obsessed.

LOL, I am not the person who said "I am gonna smash your skull in" talk about being a toddler.

obsessed donker.