The Two Front Nightmares

[HRK]

Are those PLAAF fighters flying in Pakistan or China?

Shaheen-V exercise pic (if I am not wrong)

 

[MastanKhan]

I know as I have worked in MoDP (I have seen things regarding Pakistani military which you will never see in your life) and discussed it in detail, so kindly stop bringing it in discussion as you are not military professional and expert.

Hi,

The proof that shows about pakistan's military is in the pudding---.

For you---from your VANTAGE point---it might be something awesome---but from my vantage point---it is pathetic---.

So---enjoy your insight---.

 

[Basel]

Hi,

The proof that shows about pakistan's military is in the pudding---.

For you---from your VANTAGE point---it might be something awesome---but from my vantage point---it is pathetic---.

So---enjoy your insight---.

JH-7 is obsolete bird and PN will not buy it, period. They prefer JFT over it although J-11/16 would be preferred choice if available.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

The proof that shows about pakistan's military is in the pudding---.

For you---from your VANTAGE point---it might be something awesome---but from my vantage point---it is pathetic---.

So---enjoy your insight---.

For him it was his job and for you it is your pleasure-in-failure fetish with failures....so his insight might have a better viewpoint don't you think. Or the failures are enough for a generalisation all the way from Socal...

 

[volatile]

JH-7 is obsolete bird and PN will not buy it, period. They prefer JFT over it although J-11/16 would be preferred choice if available.

Two things contradict each other JH7 is not obsolete aircraft

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1176

When you make certain claims about any thing good or bad it has to be rational
The second part PN will not buy that can be a result of many things
e.g Naval Air Arm budget
New platform induction
PAF resistance for separating Naval Arm
Naval own experience of managing air fleets (Capability/Capacity)

I personally feel Naval wing should be made separate with heavies dedicated fighters such SU35 (unlikely) JH7 offers more better choice

 

[Khadim e Darul Ehsaan]

Two things contradict each other JH7 is not obsolete aircraft

View attachment 430804

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1176

When you make certain claims about any thing good or bad it has to be rational
The second part PN will not buy that can be a result of many things
e.g Naval Air Arm budget
New platform induction
PAF resistance for separating Naval Arm
Naval own experience of managing air fleets (Capability/Capacity)

I personally feel Naval wing should be made separate with heavies dedicated fighters such SU35 (unlikely) JH7 offers more better choice

Sir! now its an era of either multirole or air superiority multirole fighter , jh7 is too much bulky and heavy (empty weight 14000kg+) primarily strike aircraft like mirrage 5 and for interception purpose it is neither a famous machine nor it can do it well, so it can be treated as obselete if not now thn within a next few years

 

[Basel]

Two things contradict each other JH7 is not obsolete aircraft

View attachment 430804

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1176

When you make certain claims about any thing good or bad it has to be rational
The second part PN will not buy that can be a result of many things
e.g Naval Air Arm budget
New platform induction
PAF resistance for separating Naval Arm
Naval own experience of managing air fleets (Capability/Capacity)

I personally feel Naval wing should be made separate with heavies dedicated fighters such SU35 (unlikely) JH7 offers more better choice

I just said what PN serving officers told me during discussion and they are convinced about it due to certain reasons. So I take their word seriously not web.

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

Sir! now its an era of either multirole or air superiority multirole fighter , jh7 is too much bulky and heavy (empty weight 14000kg+) primarily strike aircraft like mirrage 5 and for interception purpose it is neither a famous machine nor it can do it well, so it can be treated as obselete if not now thn within a next few years

Evolving weapons systems overcome any benefits that a more manoeuvring fighter may have. We should look at it in this way that the Bigger bull though slow can carry more anti ship missiles for salvo launch to defeat enemy's air defence at sea and a larger more powerful radar that can provide a better detection range.
Any benefits of a more nimble and highly manoeuvreable jet can be checked by latest more accurate and manoeuvreable air to air missiles.

It can be accompanied by Thunder as escort to take care of any enemy fighters.

 

[Path-Finder]

Two things contradict each other JH7 is not obsolete aircraft

View attachment 430804

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1176

When you make certain claims about any thing good or bad it has to be rational
The second part PN will not buy that can be a result of many things
e.g Naval Air Arm budget
New platform induction
PAF resistance for separating Naval Arm
Naval own experience of managing air fleets (Capability/Capacity)

I personally feel Naval wing should be made separate with heavies dedicated fighters such SU35 (unlikely) JH7 offers more better choice

JH-7A has all the features That are desperately needed in PAF and Navy Air Force if ever it's created. It can replace Mirage.

A JH-7 with modifications will definitely meet Pakistrans requirements

 

[MastanKhan]

For him it was his job and for you it is your pleasure-in-failure fetish with failures....so his insight might have a better viewpoint don't you think. Or the failures are enough for a generalisation all the way from Socal...

Hi,

For you to say " your pleasure-in-failure fetish with failures " shows how shallow your thinking is about the issue / issues---.

I have written enough about my access---those who can understand---know where my standings come from---.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

For you to say " your pleasure-in-failure fetish with failures " shows how shallow your thinking is about the issue / issues---.

I have written enough about my access---those who can understand---know where my standings come from---.

Hi,

I was just curious.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

As the old saying goes... Be careful what you ask for, you might get it!

It appears our indian friends' wish of two and half front war might actually become true.

As I have always maintained.. War is Stupid and only Stupid want war.... asking/proclaiming about readiness for two and half front war is neither professional nor wise certainly.

It would be much better for all if our indian friends could choose a constructive outlook in life and work with Sino-Pak Friends for a prosperous and stable South and South West Asia. Win-Win is far better than win-loose paradigm.

This warmongering is rather unbecoming from the land of Mr. Gandhi!

 

[Talon]

Are those PLAAF fighters flying in Pakistan or China?

Shaheen V held last year...Shorkot area

 

[volatile]

I just said what PN serving officers told me during discussion and they are convinced about it due to certain reasons. So I take their word seriously not web.

Sir there is a reason the Naval officers dont make decisions but planners

Sir! now its an era of either multirole or air superiority multirole fighter , jh7 is too much bulky and heavy (empty weight 14000kg+) primarily strike aircraft like mirrage 5 and for interception purpose it is neither a famous machine nor it can do it well, so it can be treated as obselete if not now thn within a next few years

It will still be better than Mirage 5 , by the way you know how many SOW Mirage can carry and how many JH7 carries ? Now im not advocating JH7 but in favour of any heavy / medium weight .putting decent power windows / and new body doesnt make Mehran a Cultus

 

[Basel]

Sir there is a reason the Naval officers dont make decisions but planners


It will still be better than Mirage 5 , by the way you know how many SOW Mirage can carry and how many JH7 carries ? Now im not advocating JH7 but in favour of any heavy / medium weight .putting decent power windows / and new body doesnt make Mehran a Cultus

Have you seen MoD from inside?? It's PN who decides what they want.
It seems you lack basic knowledge about procurement and policy matters.