The truth of 1971 by Sheikh Haseena Wajid

[brahmastra]

lets hear what INDIRA GANDHI herself has to say about it.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The Punjabi politicians are actually happy with creation of BD. It's only people that feel otherwise. The punjabi's have a superiority complex and could not have tolerated a Bengali PM that's a fact. Can Pakistani accept Zia as their PM, no way. If they think India played bad then try reuniting and see how hate grows.

Do you have any evidence to back this up or is it just a racial tirade against Punjabis on your part?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Threads merged

 

[sparklingway]

Completely agree - as I have often pointed out, whatever discrimination East Pakistanis had to face, it was nowhere close to the sorts of discrimination and prejudice some communities in other nations have had to face, the African Americans and indigenous people of North America for example.

They had the choice of separation easily visible to them and viable as well. No other state had two (almost) equally populated arms separated by a hostile nation in between. Bath separatists, LTTE and most rebel organizations demand a nation existing within the effectively controlled boundaries of a nation (I mean to say that land is connected). The IRA had a similar motivation because they too were disconnected from the mainland (albeit not as much as in the case of East and West Pakistan).

 

[Hulk]

Do you have any evidence to back this up or is it just a racial tirade against Punjabis on your part?

You need History lesson from 65 to 71.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You need History lesson from 65 to 71.

Read your own post again - you are speaking in the present tense, not the past - the leadership in Pakistan is not the leadership of 1971 and the people of Pakistan are not the people from 1971.

Hence my query whether your derogatory comments about Punjabis were backed up by evidence or not.

 

[Windjammer]

The Punjabi politicians are actually happy with creation of BD. It's only people that feel otherwise. The punjabi's have a superiority complex and could not have tolerated a Bengali PM that's a fact. Can Pakistani accept Zia as their PM, no way. If they think India played bad then try reuniting and see how hate grows.

Hence, Sonia Gandhi is a modern day witness to that.
How naive.

 

[Luftwaffe]

just a short question to some members...You breaking off the solution? did you even give a serious thought to other options? how do you justify breakingoff state as the only solution to the problems faced in doing so more and more people lost their lives the already crippled economy was more crippled..you people helped the power accumulators become more rich and manipulate you people. Breaking off was not the solution. all those drums beating for india, india has huge problems within did any state(s) call for a breakoff from India to become a separate nation on political level? except for well known groups..some of you have failed to prove your points as much as i can understand your suggested solution to fix problems is not to come to the table but join the enemy as break off and that is what you did, don't blame Pakistan for that there were problems you should have demanded it through proper channel strived for it that is what genuine politics is for instead of short cuts and popularity and power corruption..
Come up with something really positive to tackle things not running amok breaking off dividing joining enemies spreading chaos and killing around..so i agree fully with windjammer.

 

[Jackdaws]

What's the surprise? Better late than never that the Govt. of B'desh set up a memorial for Indian soldiers - it is a nice gesture between two brotherly nations.

What did India gain from it?

a. First of all, NOT helping Bangladeshi would adversely impact the psyche of the Indian Bengalis. Believe it or not - unlike the Punjabis on either side - pretty much everything on either side of Bengal is the same - language, script, dressing sense, food habits etc. Both hero worship Tagore and Bose. No sane Indian leader would want to alienate Indian Bengalis.

b. 10 million refugees - can you wrap your brain around that number. That's more than the population of Sweden.

Besides, comparing Bengalis to the African American civil rights movement is downright laughable. Firstly - the African Americans were a minority - the Bengalis were a majority. Secondly, the AAs were fighting for rights they did not have - the Bengalis were promised all those rights at freedom. When something you own is taken away - your reaction will be quite different to not attaining something you aspire.

 

[TopCat]

just a short question to some members...You breaking off the solution? did you even give a serious thought to other options? how do you justify breakingoff state as the only solution to the problems faced in doing so more and more people lost their lives the already crippled economy was more crippled..you people helped the power accumulators become more rich and manipulate you people. Breaking off was not the solution. all those drums beating for india, india has huge problems within did any state(s) call for a breakoff from India to become a separate nation on political level? except for well known groups..some of you have failed to prove your points as much as i can understand your suggested solution to fix problems is not to come to the table but join the enemy as break off and that is what you did, don't blame Pakistan for that there were problems you should have demanded it through proper channel strived for it that is what genuine politics is for instead of short cuts and popularity and power corruption..
Come up with something really positive to tackle things not running amok breaking off dividing joining enemies spreading chaos and killing around..so i agree fully with windjammer.

In several of your post you relentlessly trying to say that BD economy gone bad with the breaking away or w. pakistan was supporting E. Pakistan or W. Pakistan is better off now without East.
Let me clear some of the clouds here.
1) BD economy is in far better state than what it was before 1971. I should say it is doing great. We had a slow start in 1970's, took care of the flood problem in 1980's and early 1990's and created a young enormous enterprenour class which is driving force of our economy. Just think of BD with no cotton exports textiles more than any country after China in the whole world and opting to catch china in near future. We export as much as Pakistan and import half of Pakistan. We earn 30% more in remittance than Pakistan. We got the worlds biggest footware and textile factory now in Bangladesh. We will start exporting our cars in Europe by 2012. These are few things should give you a hint where we are heading while pondering about Cultural, Social and Intellectual excellence that we attained through independence.

2) We had two option in hand, either to have equal and just share of power in center while having economic autonomy in the east or to have a independent country. People were on the street, protest were in place and it was you who started the War. You lost your patience and opted for a quick solution not us.

3) India factor came out of blue. When war started, there was only one objective and that was to win the war. It was not that we trusted India but we used India. Again its Bengali Brain....... You guys must be missing it now.

 

[TopCat]

I dont think 1971 was the Punjabi/Bengali conflict as bunch of Bengalis supported Pakistani occupation. It was rather I should say, Pakistni elites vs Bengalis. Army belogned to the elite class of Punjabs and were fearfull about Bengalis as if they could get hold of power they would had brought land reform in the west and broke the back bone of West Pakistani elites. Thats the fact...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We feel happy to see you guys do so well

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What's the surprise? Better late than never that the Govt. of B'desh set up a memorial for Indian soldiers - it is a nice gesture between two brotherly nations.

What did India gain from it?

a. First of all, NOT helping Bangladeshi would adversely impact the psyche of the Indian Bengalis. Believe it or not - unlike the Punjabis on either side - pretty much everything on either side of Bengal is the same - language, script, dressing sense, food habits etc. Both hero worship Tagore and Bose. No sane Indian leader would want to alienate Indian Bengalis.

b. 10 million refugees - can you wrap your brain around that number. That's more than the population of Sweden.

Besides, comparing Bengalis to the African American civil rights movement is downright laughable. Firstly - the African Americans were a minority - the Bengalis were a majority. Secondly, the AAs were fighting for rights they did not have - the Bengalis were promised all those rights at freedom. When something you own is taken away - your reaction will be quite different to not attaining something you aspire.

What nonsense is this? Is discrimination against a minority by a majority more acceptable than vice versa? Are you suggesting that the slavery, segregation and racism suffered by African Americans was not 'bad' because they were a minority? What about the racism and segregation suffered by the majority in South Africa - apartheid. Yet even there we see Nelson Mandela lead a largely peaceful movement for change and political rights for his people, over decades.

MLK and Nelson Mandela fought for the rights of people and communities that suffered unimaginable horrors and discrimination, yet they did so peacefully and with dignity, and within the political systems of the people that were responsible for that oppression.

In comparison, the discrimination and deprivation faced by East Pakistan was nothing, and the response from East Pakistani separatists was inhuman, barbaric and utterly uncivilized.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history/26732-atrocities-1971-civil-war.html

As for the refugee numbers, as usual exaggerated along with every other number out of the Bangladesh and India, and to a large degree a result of encouraging the sort of barbarism and senseless violence by East Pakistani separatists that preceded Operation Searchlight.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

I dont think 1971 was the Punjabi/Bengali conflict as bunch of Bengalis supported Pakistani occupation. It was rather I should say, Pakistni elites vs Bengalis. Army belogned to the elite class of Punjabs and were fearfull about Bengalis as if they could get hold of power they would had brought land reform in the west and broke the back bone of West Pakistani elites. Thats the fact...

Wow you have sold your sole to Indians too. I pray Hindus take place of Punjabis and be your masters for ever. out of the pan into the fire.
Its funny nations which look down on Punjabi's don't mind to be salve of Indians.

 

[Luftwaffe]

iajdani..ok lets leave the economy part...what is genuine politics? why is violence and break away and breaking off important than coming to the table to resolve issues? and no matter how much anyone tries go zig zag non of pro separatists will be able to answer why they did not choose to come to the table instead of inviting enemies at the gates..in short forget about everything we did this and that we we're doing this and that..what is your legitimate reason why separation was the only option and was it the only option left? the answer is clear greed for power and more..you failed to answer where you people were when our Army men were being murdered butchered by muktis and indian forces..don't evade we did not start the war..the option that you're talking about could have been achieved with good politics and stressing for the need of discussion not separation..work hard with you answer.