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The threat of the growing Egyptian military power, an Israeli study

Everyone knows Israel was about to completely destroy Egypt.
Egyptian got defeated, Damascus was within 25km of Israeli troops and Cairo was 100km away from Israeli troops, that by the way, encircled the Egyptian Third Army which led to 8,000 of them surrendering and thousands of casualties. Quickly Saadat ran like a little girl to Brezhnev and begged for them to impose a ceasefire. The USSR then threatened the US that they will intervene by sending an air mobile division and allegedly nuclear missiles to Egypt, which raised their alertness to DEFCON 5 and pressured us into stopping.

Nixon knew that if the Egyptian Third Army falls, Egyptian Second Army quickly falls after and all of Egypt falls after it, and that Syria was basically dead meat already.
While it would have been a complete victory for Israel, it probably would have led to a world war.

But of course, all they teach you in Egypt is how the Israel was saved by the US, yet Egypt still somehow contradictingly won, when in fact the US saved Egypt by calming Israel down.
They don't teach you how the USSR sent Egypt more military equipment than the US sent to Israel either.

This threat assessment isn't official, probably just some defense forum member.
Told you to go lie and cry somewhere else.. you are just making yourself the laughing stock of this Forum..

Read again:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/1973-arab-israeli-conflict-the-truth-once-and-for-all.315824/
 
Israel gets 3 billion dollars annually in US arms which directly helps the US defense industry and in turn provides ten times as much in intelligence, weapon upgrades and manpower savings to the US
lol thats the mantra that Occupiers of palestinian uses, bullshit on Intelligence, every incld Americans aware of how this money is sent in cash to israel and how much isreal leeches out of US, spies on US as well
 
Egypt is doing great in induction of weapons. What it needs to focus on is training in which we can help. Plus missiles both ballistic and cruise missiles which is what Egypt needs to work on.
That is quite an arrogant comment my friend.. if you remember well Egypt lately was training Pakistan army on the used of manpads....just google it or look it up on PDF.. Egypt makes almost a 100 exercises a year with all its allies and friends..

As for Ballistic missiles, Egypt had an advanced program in the 50s and 60s way before Pakistan.. it has helped North Korea who in turn has helped Pakistan.. this too you can google it..

I can give you credit about cruise missiles, because we don' really know where Egypt is at in that domain .. but we know it has made 2 Chinese anti-chip silkworm cruise missiles under license for a long time and is making a new sophisticated one now.. also under license..
 
Told you to go lie and cry somewhere else.. you are just making yourself the laughing stock of this Forum..

Read again:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/1973-arab-israeli-conflict-the-truth-once-and-for-all.315824/
I'm not going to respond to a piece of text I disputed a hundred times.
Israel won, the USSR knew it, the US knew it, hell even most of the Islamic world knew it. Deep inside, each one of the 8,000 Egyptians captured knew they lost.

Just the Egyptians celebrating a false dream that they won.
After 1973 Egyptians themselves doubted their victory, in contrast to the Egyptian propaganda, as the Sinai remained in Israeli hands up until 1979 Camp David accords.
lol thats the mantra that Occupiers of palestinian uses, bullshit on Intelligence, every incld Americans aware of how this money is sent in cash to israel and how much isreal leeches out of US, spies on US as well
Israel spies on the US just as the US spies on Israel.
Allies spy on each other, it's not a surprise. It doesn't make them enemies.
 
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I'm not going to respond to a piece of text I disputed a hundred times.
Israel won, the USSR knew it, the US knew it, hell even most of the Islamic world knew it. Deep inside, each one of the 8,000 Egyptians captured knew they lost.

Just the Egyptians celebrating a false dream that they won.
After 1973 Egyptians themselves doubted their victory, in contrast to the Egyptian propaganda, as the Sinai remained in Israeli hands up until 1979 Camp David accords.

Israel spies on the US just as the US spies on Israel.
Allies spy on each other, it's not a surprise. It doesn't make them enemies.
Go dispute that report with all the brass of the world at that time.. not here hiding as a keyboard warrior..

Read this again ans swallow it..it is bitter but good medication for a sick mind..
These are real testimonies by world famous military Generals and the Usraeli high brass themselves..


They Said about the War


Introduction

The October 1973 War, a radical turning-point in the course of Arab-Israeli conflict, has evoked interest by military leaders, strategists, research and study centers and media around the world. This is due to the fact that this war had had far-reaching repercussions and impact on the Middle East region, not only on the military and strategic level but also on the overall political and economic life of the world as a whole. Statements by contemporary witnesses to the war are the most truthful historical accounts, documenting facts and impartially and objectively assessing results of the war. Such testimonies should be particularly true, when they are made by major strategists and military experts around the world let alone those witnesses from the other side. After the lapse of a quarter a century, it might be beneficial to review these testimonies in order to learn lessons from the October 1973 War.

Israeli Testimonies

Reporting Golda Meir, Israeli Prime Minister during October War:

The Egyptians crossed the canal and hit hard our forces in Sinai. The Syrians pushed deep into the Golan Heights. We incurred grave losses on both fronts. The agonizing question at that time was should we or should we not inform the nation of the truth about the bad situation?!.
In writing on the Yom Kippur War (October war) - not as a military report- but as a close-by disaster or a horrible nightmare that I myself have suffered from and will continue to haunt me throughout my life.

Reporting Moshe Dayan, Israeli Defense Minister during October War:

The war has shown that we were no stronger than the Egyptians. The halo of supremacy and the political and military premise that Israel is stronger than the Arabs; that they would be defeated should they dare to start war did not hold true. It was theory that it would take them the whole night to erect bridges, which we could prevent, using our armored vehicles. But it turned out that it was not easy to prevent them. Our exercise to send tanks to the battle front was very costly. We have never expected that.
(Press Conference, October 9, 1973)

The October War was an earthquake that hit Israel. What happened in this war has removed dust off our eyes, revealing to us what we could not see before. All this led to a change in the mentality of Israeli leaders.
(Statements by Dayan, December 1973)

Reporting Aba Eban, Israeli Foreign Minister during October War:

Many changes have taken place since October 6,1973. We should, therefore, not overestimate Israel military supremacy. On the contrary, there is now an overwhelming sense in Israel of the need to review national rhetoric. We have to keep away from hyperboles and be more realistic. (November 1973)

Reporting Aharon Yarev, Former Director of Israeli Intelligence:

Undoubtedly, the Arabs came out of the war victorious, while we, in terms of image and feeling, came out torn out and weak. When asked if he won the war, Sadat replied, "Look at what is going on in Israel after the war and you will know the answer to this question".
(Symposium on October War,
Jerusalem,September 16, 1974)

Reporting Haim Hertzog, Former Head of the State of Israel:

The October war ended up in a major shock to all Israelis. Moshe Dayan is no longer the same man before. Since then he has been bent on himself. He has always had the conviction that he would not and could not afford to attack. Even amidst Egyptian infiltration, Dayan did not admit his miscalculations.
He turned into a sort of a Hamlet, torn out by suspicion, reluctance, and inability to take decision or impose his will. That was the beginning of fall for labour governments which has ruled Israel for 25 years until then. Similarly the war has caused conceptual changes in the mentality of Israeli leadership, who started looking for a new approach and a realistic policy of dealing with the problem through political solutions.
(From the Memoirs of Haim Hertzog)

Before October 6, we used to talk too much, this was one of our problems. While the Egyptians learned how to fight, we learned how to talk. They were patient and their statements were more realistic than ours. They were telling and announcing facts so fully that the external world seemed to trust their statements.
(Comments by Hertzog, November 1973)

Reporting Nahom Goldman , Former Head of Jewish Agency:

One of the most significant results of October 1973 War was that it put an end to the myth of an invincible Israel and its progressive supremacy over the Arabs.This also cost Israel a high price; about $ 5 billion. It caused a radical change to the economic position of the Jewish Agency, which dropped from a state of boom experienced a year earlier (albeit not firmly grounded as it seemed) to an extremely deep, and ever more intensive and serious crisis. The most serious result was that which affected the psychological side.
Gone was the Israelis' confidence in their sustained supremacy. Their internal morale was tremendously weakened, which is the most serious thing that can face a nation, particularly Israel. This weakness was embodied into two contradictory forms, which led to an extremely serious polarization of Israel. On the one hand, there were some people who began to question the future of Israel. On the other, increasing fanaticism and hard-line trends were visible, leading to what was called "Massada Complex".
The citadel, where the Jews took refuge during the Jewish rebellion movement against the Roman Empire, but never surrendered and all died).
Reporting "Whereto Israel"

Reporting Israeli General Ishio Javitch:

For Israel, the war ultimately ended without being able to break up Arab armies. We scored no victories. We could not back the Egyptian nor the Syrian army. Nor could we succeed in restoring the deterrent power to the Israeli army. If we assess achievements against targets, we will find out that the Arabs' victory was more decisive. I should admit that the Arabs have achieved a very large part of their objectives. They proved capable of surmounting the fear barrier; got into war and fought efficiently. They also proved capable of forcing their way into the Suez Canal barrier. To our great sorrow, they snatched the canal out of our grips with the force of arms.
(Symposium on October War,
Jerusalem, September 16, 1974)

Reporting Amnon Kapelock, Israeli Military Commentator:

The English proverb says, "The higher the rise the more severe is the fall". On October 6, Israel fell off the top of the tower of peace and tranquility it had built up for itself.
The shock was as strong and impressive as prior illusions. It seemed as though the Israelis had waked up from a lengthy, sweet dream to see a long lists of self-evident truth, and indisputable principles, illusions and facts they had believed in for several years, shaken and sometimes shattered down by a new, unexpected fact, ununderstandable to most Israelis.
From the perspective of a plain Israeli, the October War can have more than one name such as; war of recovery from a hangover , collapse of legends , end of illusions , a death of sacred heifers .
Following prior wars, prestigious military parades were often conducted in the Independence Day, where the public viewed war booty captured from the enemy. On the contrary, this time a large exhibition was made in Cairo, two months after the war, where the public viewed tanks, guns, military vehicles and many Israeli weapons captured from the enemy during the war.
On prior occasions, soldiers returned home in a flurry of happiness and pride. However, this time, returning soldiers were gripped with sadness and consternation. Many had to frequent the psychiatric section of the Army's Medical Department, for treatment from "combat shock".
"Israel: End of a Myth"

Reporting Zaev Schev, Israeli Military Commentator:

This is the first war for the Israeli army, where many soldiers suffering combat shock and needing psychiatric treatment were treated. Some of them forgot their own names and had to refer to hospitals.
Israel was stunned by the Arabs' success in waging a surprise war on Yum Kippur and scoring military successes. This war has proved that Israel has to reassess the Arab warrior. This time, Israel has paid a very high price.
The October War has shaken Israel from top to bottom. Instead of overconfidence, suspicions emerged and questions surfaced to the top; should we live for ever on our own devastation? Could we possible stand any other wars?! "The October Earthquake: Yum Kippur War"

Reporting Israeli Professor Shimon Shamir:

I can list for the Arabs five important achievements:
First: They managed to affect a change in the US political strategy that was unfavour to Israel.
Second: They succeeded in making the military option happen, thus imposing such efforts on Israel that overburdened its resources and economy.
Third: They managed to achieve a high level of Arab cooperation in both the military and economic fields, particularly as they restored to the oil weapon in October.
Fourth: Egypt could regain the power of free maneuvering among major powers, which it lost ten years ago.
Fifth: The Arabs could change their own image; freeing themselves from the 1967 shock, and becoming more capable of hard work. (Symposium on October War, Jerusalem, September 16,1974)

Reporting Yussi Belin, Member of the Knesset and Labour Party Leader:

The tension that prevailed in the Labor Party in 1973 had crippled the Party, making it unable to take a decision to enter into peace negotiations with the Arabs. This led to the failure of Junnar Jaring's mission of mediation between Egypt and Israel. The result was the outbreak of the Yum Kippur War (October) the end of tenure by the Lbour Party and consequently a Right-Left equivalence of power, which has until now characterized Israel's political system. Unless an independent leader will have emerged in Israel up to May 4, 1999 ( the date set for declaring a Palestinian State), it would be difficult to prevent the coming disaster from taking place ( following the October 1973 and Intifada 1987 disasters).

Testimonies by International Experts

Reporting American military historian Trevor Dubuoy, Chairman, Hero Foundation for Scientific Assessment of Historical Battles:

As a result of honorable fighting waged by both Egyptian and Syrian armies, the Arabs restored their own pride and self-confidence, which led to the reinforcement of Arab influence on the international arena in general. Strategically and politically speaking, there is no doubt that Egypt has won the war.
With the professional planning and performance whereby the crossing process was accomplished, no other army in the world could have done better. This precise work on the part of the general staff, particularly the element of surprise already achieved, resulted in remarkable success in crossing the Suez Canal on a wide front.
The Israel Intelligence categorically failed, as military intelligence activity concentrated on antagonist capabilities, being out of reckoning. Miscalculation of Arab capabilities gave rise to misconceptions of Arab intentions.
On the other hand, greater credit should be given to Arab security and confidentiality, whereby facts were adequately screened to re-affirm prior Israeli misconceptions.
While the Egyptians waged maritime war essentially through a strategic approach, the Israeli waged it through a tactical one. The Egyptian had imposed a successful siege on shipping traffic to Ilat sea-port by closing down Bab al-Mandab Strait. Their Mediterranean siege seemed to prevent neutral and Israeli ships from approaching the Israeli coast. On the southern front, Israeli attempts to destroy Egyptian air bases in the Nile Delta categorically failed thanks to the effective Egyptian air defense.
The Israeli also decided to attempt seizure of the city of Suez. Although their tanks infiltrated into the heart of the city, yet resistance was so severe that they had pull back after being inflicted with heavy losses.
(International Symposium on October War, Cairo, October 27-31, 1975)

Reporting British military historian Edger O'Balance:

For Israel, the October War has caused an "all-out" change in strategy. It was forcefully ejected from an offensive to a defensive position. Since its inception, Israel has adopted an offensive military position. The Israeli general staff have never cared to contemplate a defensive position.
The Israeli soldier has realized that defense is now vital for his own survival. Conventional defense, which Israel had, for long before the war, vaingloriously looked upon, became acceptable as a military necessity for the protection of Israeli borders.
After the marvelous military operations achieved by the old Islamic conquests and the Crusades, the prestige of the Arab soldier has continually diminished in western eyes, due to varying reasons beyond his control. In this context, Israel has intensified its publicity, until it was surprised in the October 1973 War with Arab soldiers shattering their fetters, defeating Israelis, capturing hundreds of them, downing hundreds of their craft, destroying hundreds of their tanks. In a nutshell, Arab soldiers shattered the myth of invincible Israeli supremacy. What holds true for the Arabs in Napoleon's saying, "The ratio of marble to military equipment is three to one"
(Ibid)

Reporting General Varar Huckly, Combat Development Director, British Army:

The lessons learned from October War relate to personnel and their capabilities more than the machinery they operate. The impressive achievement made by the Egyptians is the genius and skills of leaders and officers who were trained and waged such an offensive that came as a total surprise to the other party, albeit effected within its sight. As a complement, the soldiers demonstrated such high morale and audacity that would have been, in the past, impossible.
(Ibid)

Reporting French General Albert Merglain:

All military experts and political officials were confident that Arabs would never succeed in taking the Israeli army by surprise. Contrary to what happened in October War, justifying evidence were many and varied. First, there was extreme confidence in Israeli intelligence services, which were said to be some of the best in the world, particularly as it was known to all that the American special agencies were closely related to them.
US reconnaissance planes and satellites could shoot all the depth of Arab rear area. Such favourable conditions for monitoring antagonist fronts combined could hardly exist. Therefore, the element of surprise was excluded, particularly, as the man-made barrier of the Suez Canal protects the Israeli front line and allows easy and effective resistance. The Arab surprise came at 2 p.m. on October 6, 1973. Contrary to negative assertions by all politicians, military experts, pressmen and specialists everywhere, the unexpected took place.
(Ibid)

Reporting French writer Jean-Claud Jipoux:

At 10.06 a.m. December 1, 1973, David Ben Gurion passed away at Ted Hushomir Hospital nearly Tel-Aviv. Before he died, he said nothing, but he had seen every thing. Fate could have spared that sick man, who was hit by a brain hemorrhage on November 18, 1973, of those lost eight weeks of his lifetime. However, so cruel was fate. It was the awakening of the first Israeli Prime Minister during his last days that made him see a whole world collapse, a world that was his own. Amidst his Nagal settlement, he could see Israel falling apart within a few days as a result of an earthquake more brutal than a fourth war. He kept monitoring Israel's dramatic decline, as it was falling this time from a lofty height where it had reassuringly settled down to a bottomless pit of futility.
Did Egyptian president Anwar el-Sadat conceive, as he sent out his tanks and soldiers to cross the Suez Canal on October 6, that he was releasing an overwhelming, horrible power that could change such world?! Nothing, from Europe to America, from Africa to Asia remained the same since the Yum kippur War. Something even deeper has turned upside down in the relationship that existed between the industrialized world and its old colonies. Painful Days in Israel

Reporting British Journalist David Hurst:

The October War was an earthquake. For the first time in the history of Zionism, the Arabs tried and succeeded in imposing by the force of arm a fait accompli.
The set-back was not merely military, but it also affected all psychological, diplomatic and economic elements making up the power and vitality of a nation. The Israelis paid a high price for merely maintaining a state of equivalence with their attackers. Within three weeks, they lost, according to official figures, 2,523 personnel; a loss, which, in proportionate terms is two and half times US loss in the Vietnam war over ten years. Following prior Israeli- Arab wars, a deluge of high-quality paper, pictorial books were published to commemorate victory. But this time, the first book published in Israel was entitled Al Mihdal (Negligence). In 1967, Israeli generals lectured their admiring audience on their various expeditions. However, as soon as the October War started they started exchanging accusations and the severest insults both on local and world media. Bereaved mothers and widows later accosted Moshe Dayan, the fallen deity with shouts branding him cut-throat. Prior wars were followed by impressive military parades marking the Independence Day, but this time, nothing of this sort was made. Conversely, the Israelis soon came to know that a large exhibition of booties was opened in Cairo. For the first time, the Israelis saw on Arab televisions the shameful sight of their prisons of war with their drooping heads.
The Gun and Olive Branch

World Media and Press Reports

As the Egyptian army crossed the Suez Canal, cutting through the Bar lev-line, the October war changed the course of history both for Egypt and the entire Middle East.
(Daily Telegraph October 7, 1973)

The image of the Arab fighter in the aftermath of 1967 War as presented by world press was totally negative, giving the impression that a successful military confrontation on the part of the Arab fighter was impossible due to Israel's military strength.
Accordingly, one can understand the extent of change occurring after the Arab fighter has proved his presence and capabilities and how the world press has conveyed such change to world public opinion.
(The Times, October 7, 1973)

The Egyptians and Syrians are demonstrating high efficiency, organization and courage. The Arabs have scored a psychological victory that will have its psychological impact. The retention by the Egyptian of the east bank of the canal is a tremendous, unprecedented victory, whereby Israeli illusions that the Arabs were unfit for war have been shattered.
( Washington Post, October 10, 1973 )

Last week was one of chastisement and torture for Israel. Obviously, Arab armies are fighting with strength, courage and determination.
The Israelis were grouped with sadness and depression as they found out that the war cost them heavily and that the Egyptians and Syrians were not, as they had been told, unable to fight.
(Financial Times, October 11, 1973)

Obviously, the Arabs are fighting with unparalleled valour. Definitely, their fierce fighting had a considerable role in their victories. At the same time, the Israelis were generally afflicted by a feeling of depression upon their agonizing discovery -which cost them a lot- that the Egyptians and Syrians were not, in reality, helpless soldiers. There were indications that the Israelis were retreating all through in front of the progressing Egyptian and Syrian faces.
( The Times, October 11, 1973)

It was quite clear that the Israelis had lost initiative in this war. This was admitted by their leaders, including General Shlomo Jonin, commander of southern front in Sinai, who said, this is the most difficult war fought by Israel since its inception in 1948"
(Sun, October 12, 1973)

The secure borders theory adopted for expansionist purposes by Israel since its inception up till now has been totally shattered. Israel military mentality must change in the light of October War. This time a psychological myth has been shattered. Israel should, from now on, give up the notion that its security can be realized by merely occupying land.
( Daily Telegraph, October 12, 1973)

This war has eliminated the feeling of humiliation for the Arab and injured Israel's pride
(Daily Mail, October 12, 1973)

The Egyptian and Syrian troops caught the Israeli leadership stark naked. It was only after three days that the Israeli leadership could mobilize adequate reserve troop to address the situation. The Israeli public opinion was sleeping on the conviction that its intelligence services were the most efficient, its army the strongest. Now the public opinion in Israel wants to know what happened and why. The question circulated by everybody in Tel-Aviv now is why the Israeli leadership had not been aware before hand of Egypt and Syria's plans?
(United Press Agency correspondent from Tel-Aviv, October 12, 1973)

The October War has shattered the security borders theory as understood by Tel-Aviv rulers. The war has proved that Israel's security cannot be guaranteed by tanks and missiles but rather by a peaceful, equitable settlement agreed by the Arab states.
(L'Humanite, October 17, 1973)

The Arabs are waging an equitable struggle. The Arabs are fighting in defense of their rights. If one fights in defense of his land against an aggressor, he is waging a war of liberation. But to fight in order to continue to occupy others' land is blatant aggression.
(Zeitung of German Democratic Republic, October 19, 1973)

Egypt has caught up with and even outstripped Israel in the field of missiles and electronics.
(The Observer, October 20, 1973)

The Israelis have faced a foe that was far ahead of it in everything, prepared for an extended war of attrition. Israel has at the same time faced a foe with better training and more skilled leadership.
(Associated Press, October 20, 1973)

Today, a feeling of sadness and depression prevails in Israel. The number of prisoners of war returning from Egypt was more than expected. This means that many lost their lives.
(Jewish Chronicle, Britain, November 23, 1973)

Israeli soldiers fled breathless from the Bar-lev line, with soiled bodies and pale faces. Flocks of them fled the hell opened against them by the sweeping Egyptian onslaught.
(Anna Bella (Italy) October 30,1973 )

Before the October War, the country was pervaded by wrong feelings; the feeling of our hawks of overwhelming military supremacy. Such conviction has led them into a military reassurance purporting that: "We'll cut them into pieces, should they dare to snap a finger at us.
(Al Hamishmar, Israeli Newspaper, October 29, 1973)

Al Ferdan east of the Suez Canal was the first site captured by the Egyptian troops. Then, the Egyptian scored their greatest victories, restoring their land since the first day. Their faces showed signs of pride and victory along the Bar-Lev line, which fell apart in front of them. Thus irreversibly gone was the Israeli Bar-Lev line.
(The Times, October 31, 1973)

The October War has brought about a concept, apparently unknown to us before; the war-stressed, i.e. those who suffer psychological shock, now dispersed at hospitals and convalescence houses, being treated from the impact of ferocious war. For the first time in their lifetime, Israeli soldier has known the experience of siege and isolation during the fight, the disgrace of capture and fear of ammunition running out.
(Haarts, November 2, 1973)

General Yshac Rabin announced that his country had military plans to face all probabilities, including the occupation of the North Pole. But it seems that the sweeping Egyptian onslaught at mid-day October 6, 1973, had not been among Israeli probabilities. They, therefore, paid heavily for it.
(Der Spiegel, (German Magazine), November 5, 1973)

Up to the date of cease-fire on the Sinai front we had not caused injury to the Egyptian army. Definitely, even failing the cease-fire, we would not be able to stop or destroy the Egyptian army. Thus, it can be said that during our fourth war with the Arab, we have realized nothing.
(Haarts, November 18, 1973)

The Egyptian navy during the October War outstripped the Israeli navy, particularly in the field of missiles.
(Defense Nationale (French Magazine), November 8, 1973)

The negligence committed in the Yum Kippur War led to the rise of a protest movement led by an Ishiknazi citizen, calling for investigating causes of the defeat of Israeli army in the war. These investigations led to the fall of officials responsible for such negligence. Following the assassination of former premier Yshaac Rabin, a new movement called Peace Generation emerged. This new movement led by Tal Zilberstein calls for the continuation of the peace process with Palestinians.
Both movements are in agreement on the prediction that a revolution, which will erupt from the heart of Israel street, is in the way.
(Maaref, Israeli Newspaper, September 20, 1998)

The alarm risen sounded at 1.50 p.m. October 6, 1973, in its own connotation, was more than a mere alarm cautioning Israeli citizens to come down to underground shelters. It was rather the outcry reiterated upon burial of the dead. At that time the deceased was the first Israeli republic. When the war was over, the count was restarted and a new history began. After a quarter century from the rise of the State of Israel the pillars and underpinnings of old Israel were turned into a wreckage stranded on road side.


*So..if you are here to educate yourself and learn the truth you are welcome.. but if you want just to state a baseless argument and your opinion against these worldwide statement and testimonies that Egypt won the war on every front, psychologically, militarily and politically.. then it it not worthwhile talking with you on here..
 
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Go dispute that report with all the brass of the world at that time.. not here hiding as a keyboard warrior..

Read this again ans swallow it..it is bitter but good medication for a sick mind..
These are real testimonies by world famous military Generals and the Usraeli high brass themselves..


They Said about the War


Introduction

The October 1973 War, a radical turning-point in the course of Arab-Israeli conflict, has evoked interest by military leaders, strategists, research and study centers and media around the world. This is due to the fact that this war had had far-reaching repercussions and impact on the Middle East region, not only on the military and strategic level but also on the overall political and economic life of the world as a whole. Statements by contemporary witnesses to the war are the most truthful historical accounts, documenting facts and impartially and objectively assessing results of the war. Such testimonies should be particularly true, when they are made by major strategists and military experts around the world let alone those witnesses from the other side. After the lapse of a quarter a century, it might be beneficial to review these testimonies in order to learn lessons from the October 1973 War.

Israeli Testimonies

Reporting Golda Meir, Israeli Prime Minister during October War:

The Egyptians crossed the canal and hit hard our forces in Sinai. The Syrians pushed deep into the Golan Heights. We incurred grave losses on both fronts. The agonizing question at that time was should we or should we not inform the nation of the truth about the bad situation?!.
In writing on the Yom Kippur War (October war) - not as a military report- but as a close-by disaster or a horrible nightmare that I myself have suffered from and will continue to haunt me throughout my life.

Reporting Moshe Dayan, Israeli Defense Minister during October War:

The war has shown that we were no stronger than the Egyptians. The halo of supremacy and the political and military premise that Israel is stronger than the Arabs; that they would be defeated should they dare to start war did not hold true. It was theory that it would take them the whole night to erect bridges, which we could prevent, using our armored vehicles. But it turned out that it was not easy to prevent them. Our exercise to send tanks to the battle front was very costly. We have never expected that.
(Press Conference, October 9, 1973)

The October War was an earthquake that hit Israel. What happened in this war has removed dust off our eyes, revealing to us what we could not see before. All this led to a change in the mentality of Israeli leaders.
(Statements by Dayan, December 1973)

Reporting Aba Eban, Israeli Foreign Minister during October War:

Many changes have taken place since October 6,1973. We should, therefore, not overestimate Israel military supremacy. On the contrary, there is now an overwhelming sense in Israel of the need to review national rhetoric. We have to keep away from hyperboles and be more realistic. (November 1973)

Reporting Aharon Yarev, Former Director of Israeli Intelligence:

Undoubtedly, the Arabs came out of the war victorious, while we, in terms of image and feeling, came out torn out and weak. When asked if he won the war, Sadat replied, "Look at what is going on in Israel after the war and you will know the answer to this question".
(Symposium on October War,
Jerusalem,September 16, 1974)

Reporting Haim Hertzog, Former Head of the State of Israel:

The October war ended up in a major shock to all Israelis. Moshe Dayan is no longer the same man before. Since then he has been bent on himself. He has always had the conviction that he would not and could not afford to attack. Even amidst Egyptian infiltration, Dayan did not admit his miscalculations.
He turned into a sort of a Hamlet, torn out by suspicion, reluctance, and inability to take decision or impose his will. That was the beginning of fall for labour governments which has ruled Israel for 25 years until then. Similarly the war has caused conceptual changes in the mentality of Israeli leadership, who started looking for a new approach and a realistic policy of dealing with the problem through political solutions.
(From the Memoirs of Haim Hertzog)

Before October 6, we used to talk too much, this was one of our problems. While the Egyptians learned how to fight, we learned how to talk. They were patient and their statements were more realistic than ours. They were telling and announcing facts so fully that the external world seemed to trust their statements.
(Comments by Hertzog, November 1973)

Reporting Nahom Goldman , Former Head of Jewish Agency:

One of the most significant results of October 1973 War was that it put an end to the myth of an invincible Israel and its progressive supremacy over the Arabs.This also cost Israel a high price; about $ 5 billion. It caused a radical change to the economic position of the Jewish Agency, which dropped from a state of boom experienced a year earlier (albeit not firmly grounded as it seemed) to an extremely deep, and ever more intensive and serious crisis. The most serious result was that which affected the psychological side.
Gone was the Israelis' confidence in their sustained supremacy. Their internal morale was tremendously weakened, which is the most serious thing that can face a nation, particularly Israel. This weakness was embodied into two contradictory forms, which led to an extremely serious polarization of Israel. On the one hand, there were some people who began to question the future of Israel. On the other, increasing fanaticism and hard-line trends were visible, leading to what was called "Massada Complex".
The citadel, where the Jews took refuge during the Jewish rebellion movement against the Roman Empire, but never surrendered and all died).
Reporting "Whereto Israel"

Reporting Israeli General Ishio Javitch:

For Israel, the war ultimately ended without being able to break up Arab armies. We scored no victories. We could not back the Egyptian nor the Syrian army. Nor could we succeed in restoring the deterrent power to the Israeli army. If we assess achievements against targets, we will find out that the Arabs' victory was more decisive. I should admit that the Arabs have achieved a very large part of their objectives. They proved capable of surmounting the fear barrier; got into war and fought efficiently. They also proved capable of forcing their way into the Suez Canal barrier. To our great sorrow, they snatched the canal out of our grips with the force of arms.
(Symposium on October War,
Jerusalem, September 16, 1974)

Reporting Amnon Kapelock, Israeli Military Commentator:

The English proverb says, "The higher the rise the more severe is the fall". On October 6, Israel fell off the top of the tower of peace and tranquility it had built up for itself.
The shock was as strong and impressive as prior illusions. It seemed as though the Israelis had waked up from a lengthy, sweet dream to see a long lists of self-evident truth, and indisputable principles, illusions and facts they had believed in for several years, shaken and sometimes shattered down by a new, unexpected fact, ununderstandable to most Israelis.
From the perspective of a plain Israeli, the October War can have more than one name such as; war of recovery from a hangover , collapse of legends , end of illusions , a death of sacred heifers .
Following prior wars, prestigious military parades were often conducted in the Independence Day, where the public viewed war booty captured from the enemy. On the contrary, this time a large exhibition was made in Cairo, two months after the war, where the public viewed tanks, guns, military vehicles and many Israeli weapons captured from the enemy during the war.
On prior occasions, soldiers returned home in a flurry of happiness and pride. However, this time, returning soldiers were gripped with sadness and consternation. Many had to frequent the psychiatric section of the Army's Medical Department, for treatment from "combat shock".
"Israel: End of a Myth"

Reporting Zaev Schev, Israeli Military Commentator:

This is the first war for the Israeli army, where many soldiers suffering combat shock and needing psychiatric treatment were treated. Some of them forgot their own names and had to refer to hospitals.
Israel was stunned by the Arabs' success in waging a surprise war on Yum Kippur and scoring military successes. This war has proved that Israel has to reassess the Arab warrior. This time, Israel has paid a very high price.
The October War has shaken Israel from top to bottom. Instead of overconfidence, suspicions emerged and questions surfaced to the top; should we live for ever on our own devastation? Could we possible stand any other wars?! "The October Earthquake: Yum Kippur War"

Reporting Israeli Professor Shimon Shamir:

I can list for the Arabs five important achievements:
First: They managed to affect a change in the US political strategy that was unfavour to Israel.
Second: They succeeded in making the military option happen, thus imposing such efforts on Israel that overburdened its resources and economy.
Third: They managed to achieve a high level of Arab cooperation in both the military and economic fields, particularly as they restored to the oil weapon in October.
Fourth: Egypt could regain the power of free maneuvering among major powers, which it lost ten years ago.
Fifth: The Arabs could change their own image; freeing themselves from the 1967 shock, and becoming more capable of hard work. (Symposium on October War, Jerusalem, September 16,1974)

Reporting Yussi Belin, Member of the Knesset and Labour Party Leader:

The tension that prevailed in the Labor Party in 1973 had crippled the Party, making it unable to take a decision to enter into peace negotiations with the Arabs. This led to the failure of Junnar Jaring's mission of mediation between Egypt and Israel. The result was the outbreak of the Yum Kippur War (October) the end of tenure by the Lbour Party and consequently a Right-Left equivalence of power, which has until now characterized Israel's political system. Unless an independent leader will have emerged in Israel up to May 4, 1999 ( the date set for declaring a Palestinian State), it would be difficult to prevent the coming disaster from taking place ( following the October 1973 and Intifada 1987 disasters).

Testimonies by International Experts

Reporting American military historian Trevor Dubuoy, Chairman, Hero Foundation for Scientific Assessment of Historical Battles:

As a result of honorable fighting waged by both Egyptian and Syrian armies, the Arabs restored their own pride and self-confidence, which led to the reinforcement of Arab influence on the international arena in general. Strategically and politically speaking, there is no doubt that Egypt has won the war.
With the professional planning and performance whereby the crossing process was accomplished, no other army in the world could have done better. This precise work on the part of the general staff, particularly the element of surprise already achieved, resulted in remarkable success in crossing the Suez Canal on a wide front.
The Israel Intelligence categorically failed, as military intelligence activity concentrated on antagonist capabilities, being out of reckoning. Miscalculation of Arab capabilities gave rise to misconceptions of Arab intentions.
On the other hand, greater credit should be given to Arab security and confidentiality, whereby facts were adequately screened to re-affirm prior Israeli misconceptions.
While the Egyptians waged maritime war essentially through a strategic approach, the Israeli waged it through a tactical one. The Egyptian had imposed a successful siege on shipping traffic to Ilat sea-port by closing down Bab al-Mandab Strait. Their Mediterranean siege seemed to prevent neutral and Israeli ships from approaching the Israeli coast. On the southern front, Israeli attempts to destroy Egyptian air bases in the Nile Delta categorically failed thanks to the effective Egyptian air defense.
The Israeli also decided to attempt seizure of the city of Suez. Although their tanks infiltrated into the heart of the city, yet resistance was so severe that they had pull back after being inflicted with heavy losses.
(International Symposium on October War, Cairo, October 27-31, 1975)

Reporting British military historian Edger O'Balance:

For Israel, the October War has caused an "all-out" change in strategy. It was forcefully ejected from an offensive to a defensive position. Since its inception, Israel has adopted an offensive military position. The Israeli general staff have never cared to contemplate a defensive position.
The Israeli soldier has realized that defense is now vital for his own survival. Conventional defense, which Israel had, for long before the war, vaingloriously looked upon, became acceptable as a military necessity for the protection of Israeli borders.
After the marvelous military operations achieved by the old Islamic conquests and the Crusades, the prestige of the Arab soldier has continually diminished in western eyes, due to varying reasons beyond his control. In this context, Israel has intensified its publicity, until it was surprised in the October 1973 War with Arab soldiers shattering their fetters, defeating Israelis, capturing hundreds of them, downing hundreds of their craft, destroying hundreds of their tanks. In a nutshell, Arab soldiers shattered the myth of invincible Israeli supremacy. What holds true for the Arabs in Napoleon's saying, "The ratio of marble to military equipment is three to one"
(Ibid)

Reporting General Varar Huckly, Combat Development Director, British Army:

The lessons learned from October War relate to personnel and their capabilities more than the machinery they operate. The impressive achievement made by the Egyptians is the genius and skills of leaders and officers who were trained and waged such an offensive that came as a total surprise to the other party, albeit effected within its sight. As a complement, the soldiers demonstrated such high morale and audacity that would have been, in the past, impossible.
(Ibid)

Reporting French General Albert Merglain:

All military experts and political officials were confident that Arabs would never succeed in taking the Israeli army by surprise. Contrary to what happened in October War, justifying evidence were many and varied. First, there was extreme confidence in Israeli intelligence services, which were said to be some of the best in the world, particularly as it was known to all that the American special agencies were closely related to them.
US reconnaissance planes and satellites could shoot all the depth of Arab rear area. Such favourable conditions for monitoring antagonist fronts combined could hardly exist. Therefore, the element of surprise was excluded, particularly, as the man-made barrier of the Suez Canal protects the Israeli front line and allows easy and effective resistance. The Arab surprise came at 2 p.m. on October 6, 1973. Contrary to negative assertions by all politicians, military experts, pressmen and specialists everywhere, the unexpected took place.
(Ibid)

Reporting French writer Jean-Claud Jipoux:

At 10.06 a.m. December 1, 1973, David Ben Gurion passed away at Ted Hushomir Hospital nearly Tel-Aviv. Before he died, he said nothing, but he had seen every thing. Fate could have spared that sick man, who was hit by a brain hemorrhage on November 18, 1973, of those lost eight weeks of his lifetime. However, so cruel was fate. It was the awakening of the first Israeli Prime Minister during his last days that made him see a whole world collapse, a world that was his own. Amidst his Nagal settlement, he could see Israel falling apart within a few days as a result of an earthquake more brutal than a fourth war. He kept monitoring Israel's dramatic decline, as it was falling this time from a lofty height where it had reassuringly settled down to a bottomless pit of futility.
Did Egyptian president Anwar el-Sadat conceive, as he sent out his tanks and soldiers to cross the Suez Canal on October 6, that he was releasing an overwhelming, horrible power that could change such world?! Nothing, from Europe to America, from Africa to Asia remained the same since the Yum kippur War. Something even deeper has turned upside down in the relationship that existed between the industrialized world and its old colonies. Painful Days in Israel

Reporting British Journalist David Hurst:

The October War was an earthquake. For the first time in the history of Zionism, the Arabs tried and succeeded in imposing by the force of arm a fait accompli.
The set-back was not merely military, but it also affected all psychological, diplomatic and economic elements making up the power and vitality of a nation. The Israelis paid a high price for merely maintaining a state of equivalence with their attackers. Within three weeks, they lost, according to official figures, 2,523 personnel; a loss, which, in proportionate terms is two and half times US loss in the Vietnam war over ten years. Following prior Israeli- Arab wars, a deluge of high-quality paper, pictorial books were published to commemorate victory. But this time, the first book published in Israel was entitled Al Mihdal (Negligence). In 1967, Israeli generals lectured their admiring audience on their various expeditions. However, as soon as the October War started they started exchanging accusations and the severest insults both on local and world media. Bereaved mothers and widows later accosted Moshe Dayan, the fallen deity with shouts branding him cut-throat. Prior wars were followed by impressive military parades marking the Independence Day, but this time, nothing of this sort was made. Conversely, the Israelis soon came to know that a large exhibition of booties was opened in Cairo. For the first time, the Israelis saw on Arab televisions the shameful sight of their prisons of war with their drooping heads.
The Gun and Olive Branch

World Media and Press Reports

As the Egyptian army crossed the Suez Canal, cutting through the Bar lev-line, the October war changed the course of history both for Egypt and the entire Middle East.
(Daily Telegraph October 7, 1973)

The image of the Arab fighter in the aftermath of 1967 War as presented by world press was totally negative, giving the impression that a successful military confrontation on the part of the Arab fighter was impossible due to Israel's military strength.
Accordingly, one can understand the extent of change occurring after the Arab fighter has proved his presence and capabilities and how the world press has conveyed such change to world public opinion.
(The Times, October 7, 1973)

The Egyptians and Syrians are demonstrating high efficiency, organization and courage. The Arabs have scored a psychological victory that will have its psychological impact. The retention by the Egyptian of the east bank of the canal is a tremendous, unprecedented victory, whereby Israeli illusions that the Arabs were unfit for war have been shattered.
( Washington Post, October 10, 1973 )

Last week was one of chastisement and torture for Israel. Obviously, Arab armies are fighting with strength, courage and determination.
The Israelis were grouped with sadness and depression as they found out that the war cost them heavily and that the Egyptians and Syrians were not, as they had been told, unable to fight.
(Financial Times, October 11, 1973)

Obviously, the Arabs are fighting with unparalleled valour. Definitely, their fierce fighting had a considerable role in their victories. At the same time, the Israelis were generally afflicted by a feeling of depression upon their agonizing discovery -which cost them a lot- that the Egyptians and Syrians were not, in reality, helpless soldiers. There were indications that the Israelis were retreating all through in front of the progressing Egyptian and Syrian faces.
( The Times, October 11, 1973)

It was quite clear that the Israelis had lost initiative in this war. This was admitted by their leaders, including General Shlomo Jonin, commander of southern front in Sinai, who said, this is the most difficult war fought by Israel since its inception in 1948"
(Sun, October 12, 1973)

The secure borders theory adopted for expansionist purposes by Israel since its inception up till now has been totally shattered. Israel military mentality must change in the light of October War. This time a psychological myth has been shattered. Israel should, from now on, give up the notion that its security can be realized by merely occupying land.
( Daily Telegraph, October 12, 1973)

This war has eliminated the feeling of humiliation for the Arab and injured Israel's pride
(Daily Mail, October 12, 1973)

The Egyptian and Syrian troops caught the Israeli leadership stark naked. It was only after three days that the Israeli leadership could mobilize adequate reserve troop to address the situation. The Israeli public opinion was sleeping on the conviction that its intelligence services were the most efficient, its army the strongest. Now the public opinion in Israel wants to know what happened and why. The question circulated by everybody in Tel-Aviv now is why the Israeli leadership had not been aware before hand of Egypt and Syria's plans?
(United Press Agency correspondent from Tel-Aviv, October 12, 1973)

The October War has shattered the security borders theory as understood by Tel-Aviv rulers. The war has proved that Israel's security cannot be guaranteed by tanks and missiles but rather by a peaceful, equitable settlement agreed by the Arab states.
(L'Humanite, October 17, 1973)

The Arabs are waging an equitable struggle. The Arabs are fighting in defense of their rights. If one fights in defense of his land against an aggressor, he is waging a war of liberation. But to fight in order to continue to occupy others' land is blatant aggression.
(Zeitung of German Democratic Republic, October 19, 1973)

Egypt has caught up with and even outstripped Israel in the field of missiles and electronics.
(The Observer, October 20, 1973)

The Israelis have faced a foe that was far ahead of it in everything, prepared for an extended war of attrition. Israel has at the same time faced a foe with better training and more skilled leadership.
(Associated Press, October 20, 1973)

Today, a feeling of sadness and depression prevails in Israel. The number of prisoners of war returning from Egypt was more than expected. This means that many lost their lives.
(Jewish Chronicle, Britain, November 23, 1973)

Israeli soldiers fled breathless from the Bar-lev line, with soiled bodies and pale faces. Flocks of them fled the hell opened against them by the sweeping Egyptian onslaught.
(Anna Bella (Italy) October 30,1973 )

Before the October War, the country was pervaded by wrong feelings; the feeling of our hawks of overwhelming military supremacy. Such conviction has led them into a military reassurance purporting that: "We'll cut them into pieces, should they dare to snap a finger at us.
(Al Hamishmar, Israeli Newspaper, October 29, 1973)

Al Ferdan east of the Suez Canal was the first site captured by the Egyptian troops. Then, the Egyptian scored their greatest victories, restoring their land since the first day. Their faces showed signs of pride and victory along the Bar-Lev line, which fell apart in front of them. Thus irreversibly gone was the Israeli Bar-Lev line.
(The Times, October 31, 1973)

The October War has brought about a concept, apparently unknown to us before; the war-stressed, i.e. those who suffer psychological shock, now dispersed at hospitals and convalescence houses, being treated from the impact of ferocious war. For the first time in their lifetime, Israeli soldier has known the experience of siege and isolation during the fight, the disgrace of capture and fear of ammunition running out.
(Haarts, November 2, 1973)

General Yshac Rabin announced that his country had military plans to face all probabilities, including the occupation of the North Pole. But it seems that the sweeping Egyptian onslaught at mid-day October 6, 1973, had not been among Israeli probabilities. They, therefore, paid heavily for it.
(Der Spiegel, (German Magazine), November 5, 1973)

Up to the date of cease-fire on the Sinai front we had not caused injury to the Egyptian army. Definitely, even failing the cease-fire, we would not be able to stop or destroy the Egyptian army. Thus, it can be said that during our fourth war with the Arab, we have realized nothing.
(Haarts, November 18, 1973)

The Egyptian navy during the October War outstripped the Israeli navy, particularly in the field of missiles.
(Defense Nationale (French Magazine), November 8, 1973)

The negligence committed in the Yum Kippur War led to the rise of a protest movement led by an Ishiknazi citizen, calling for investigating causes of the defeat of Israeli army in the war. These investigations led to the fall of officials responsible for such negligence. Following the assassination of former premier Yshaac Rabin, a new movement called Peace Generation emerged. This new movement led by Tal Zilberstein calls for the continuation of the peace process with Palestinians.
Both movements are in agreement on the prediction that a revolution, which will erupt from the heart of Israel street, is in the way.
(Maaref, Israeli Newspaper, September 20, 1998)

The alarm risen sounded at 1.50 p.m. October 6, 1973, in its own connotation, was more than a mere alarm cautioning Israeli citizens to come down to underground shelters. It was rather the outcry reiterated upon burial of the dead. At that time the deceased was the first Israeli republic. When the war was over, the count was restarted and a new history began. After a quarter century from the rise of the State of Israel the pillars and underpinnings of old Israel were turned into a wreckage stranded on road side.


*So..if you are here to educate yourself and learn the truth you are welcome.. but if you want just to state a baseless argument and your opinion against these worldwide statement and testimonies that Egypt won the war on every front, psychologically, militarily and politically.. then it it not worthwhile talking with you on here..
No one agrees with you.
Enjoy your defeat, you will never be able to defeat people that are stronger and smarter than yours.
 
You are projecting your complexes and short comings..everyone knows..ask the North Americans..
There's no need to ask anyone, it's a known fact.
You try to make it a truth in the long run by repeating your lies, but there can only be one truth.

Egypt lost, couldn't even conquer the Sinai and was saved by the US after Saadat cried like a little girl to Brezhnev to stop the war, which pressured the US into forcing Israel to stop the war.

Honestly that must be such a bad feeling for the tankers back then, only 100 kilometers away from Cairo and 2 days before the total collapse of the Egyptian Third Army and they suddenly get a command to stop. If a cease fire wasn't initiated, Cairo would have been an Israeli city lol
 
Israel gets 3 billion dollars annually in US arms which directly helps the US defense industry and in turn provides ten times as much in intelligence, weapon upgrades and manpower savings to the US.
Egypt doesn't offer nearly as much to the US. US money to Israel is an investment, US money to Egypt is aid.

Egypt lost 1973, deal with it. You had your chance in a surprise attack together with Syria in Israel's holiest day and blew it, the only real success in your war was breaching an 800 food and water fasting men strong defense line with a 40,000 men army, airstrikes and artillery. This is considered the pinnacle of your achievements of the war, which isn't really an achievement at all.

Such a surprise isn't feasible anymore. Also, Israeli technological, strategical and tactical superiority is very well apparent to anyone with working eyes.

So you are just kind hearted invaders ❤ Who gives the occupied lands back for charity …!
you are just the same savage occupiers who still occupy Palestine and Syria …
you are just a proxy to the west in the heart of the Middle East ….

you have to know that although the full US supply with the operation NICKEL GRASS to support the baby Israel with arms equal to what it lost and with higher technology …. And using the SR-71 Blackbird to discover the gap between the second and the third army …. You didn‘t withstand your positions western canal ,however, the Egyptian troops eastern canal withstanded their positions and increased the area as well inside Sinai …..
suffice it to say, you are just a claw to other nations ….. FYI the US threatened Sadat not destroy the surrounded Israeli troops in Suez ….with the operation ( Shamel) …

any ways , we got ALL our occupied lands back ….. we choosed peace …. and if you returned to your recklessness of attacking Egypt again you will again face a REAL WAR not like what you faced from 1979 till now which will be considered a picnic to what you will face 🙂
 
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you have to know that although the full US supply with the operation NICKEL GRASS to support the baby Israel with arms equal to what it lost and with higher technology ….
Which was a counter to an even bigger Russian supply operation to Egypt, in addition to bigger starting forces with more advanced weapons Egypt enjoyed.
And using the SR-71 Blackbird to discover the gap between the second and the third army ….
Which was a counter to Soviet MiG-25s that were equally un-interceptable flying above Israel that were used for the same reason.

FYI the US threatened Sadat not destroy the surrounded Israeli troops in Suez
This never happened because those troops were never under threat. The only one that was threatened not to destroy anyone was Israel, by both the US and the USSR, to not destroy the Egyptian Third Army. As soon as Saadat saw this situation he begged the Russians to impose a cease fire which later threatened to intervene which forced the US to pressure us to stop the war.
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"Soviet intervention to rescue the Egyptian Third Army from destruction by the Israeli forces"

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Israeli military superiority.

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Destroying the Third Army, taking Cairo, bringing down Sadat government and total victory.

The only reason this was prevented was because the USSR and the US pressured us to.



Israelis were already on route to Cairo, with the Third Army choked deep inside Israeli controlled empty desert with no air defenses. It was only a matter of few days until the whole army falls. Which would then easily allow us to do the same to the 2nd Egyptian army
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Syria was pretty much completely neutralized by the end of the war and could focus more on Egypt.
Israel has outmaneuvered and defeated Egypt with only half of its army, against an enemy that triples its full army, with the other half fighting against Syria, also heavily outnumbered.
Imagine what it could have done with two times the resupplied, experienced forces they could send.

You don't seem to understand the only reason Egypt isn't Israeli territory today is because the US saved you, and the only reason you have the Sinai is because we gave it back to you for peace 6 years after the end of the war, which wasn't an obvious thing back then, Egyptian soldiers that fought for the Sinai thought for 6 years that they failed to get the Sinai.
Only after Israel, out of the goodness of its heart and aim for peace, agreed to give you the Sinai back, and now you use this as reason for your alleged victory. Pathetic.

Israel could have easily destroyed Egypt in the same year we gave up the Sinai and in every second after the end of 1973, look at what we did to Syria just 3 years after 1979, The most advanced Soviet SAM systems proven completely powerless against Israel with 28 Syrian SAM sites destroyed, 100 Syrian jet fighters destroyed with no Israeli losses at all.
You didn't defeat anyone, Israel was just tired of senselessly defeating you and get casualties on the way and thought that peace is more important because we value human life and we don't go on wars for the sake of getting more power or land, but only to protect ourselves.

So not only couldn't Egypt recapture the Sinai, it even lost land to Israel in mainland Egypt. In the end Israel gained more land than it has lost.

Go on, keep claiming you won. No one believes that.
 
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any ways , we got ALL our occupied lands back ….. we choosed peace …. and if you returned to your recklessness of attacking Egypt again you will again face a REAL WAR not like what you faced from 1979 till now which will be considered a picnic to what you will face 🙂
As for that,I wish it never gets to it, but it only takes one Stealthy F-35 with one cruise missile or just a ground launched cruise missile to destroy the Aswan dam to drown most of your country.
There's also the nuclear option.

And we don't even need that, our forces are simply superior in training, experience and in technology.
You could buy all sorts of weapons, in the end, they're as good as their controller. Considering our weapons are equal to or better than yours, and that our soldiers are better trained and more experienced, you will loose yet again.
 
are the American drones still targeting your citizens inside your country …!?
have you freed your occupied lands of Kashmir..?!

or you are another keyboard warrior suffer some personal traumas ..!?
Drone attacks were egregious violation and a profoundly sick attack on the rights of Pakistani citizens, but it was done with the collusion of the local imperial agents

Pakistan did free half of Kashmir the other half would have been freed if our local agent of Americans similar to Sisi hadn't done his American counterparts namely Kennedy and LBJ a huge favor not to attack India when Indians was getting their butt kicked by the Chinese and Pakistan could have easily walked right into the remaining occupied Kashmir.

Without unconventional weapons Egypt's military build up is futile, it will remain a paper tiger especially in the context of Israel...

The only entity Egypt's military buildup is not aimed at is Israel.
 
Which was a counter to an even bigger Russian supply operation to Egypt, in addition to bigger starting forces with more advanced weapons Egypt enjoyed.

Which was a counter to Soviet MiG-25s that were equally un-interceptable flying above Israel that were used for the same reason.


This never happened because those troops were never under threat. The only one that was threatened not to destroy anyone was Israel, by both the US and the USSR, to not destroy the Egyptian Third Army. As soon as Saadat saw this situation he begged the Russians to impose a cease fire which later threatened to intervene which forced the US to pressure us to stop the war.
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Destroying the Third Army, taking Cairo, bringing down Sadat government and total victory.

The only reason this was prevented was because the USSR and the US pressured us to.



Israelis were already on route to Cairo, with the Third Army choked deep inside Israeli controlled empty desert with no air defenses. It was only a matter of few days until the whole army falls. Which would then easily allow us to do the same to the 2nd Egyptian army
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Syria was pretty much completely neutralized by the end of the war and could focus more on Egypt.
Israel has outmaneuvered and defeated Egypt with only half of its army, against an enemy that triples its full army, with the other half fighting against Syria, also heavily outnumbered.
Imagine what it could have done with two times the resupplied, experienced forces they could send.

You don't seem to understand the only reason Egypt isn't Israeli territory today is because the US saved you, and the only reason you have the Sinai is because we gave it back to you for peace 6 years after the end of the war, which wasn't an obvious thing back then, Egyptian soldiers that fought for the Sinai thought for 6 years that they failed to get the Sinai.
Only after Israel, out of the goodness of its heart and aim for peace, agreed to give you the Sinai back, and now you use this as reason for your alleged victory. Pathetic.

Israel could have easily destroyed Egypt in the same year we gave up the Sinai and in every second after the end of 1973, look at what we did to Syria just 3 years after 1979, The most advanced Soviet SAM systems proven completely powerless against Israel with 28 Syrian SAM sites destroyed, 100 Syrian jet fighters destroyed with no Israeli losses at all.
You didn't defeat anyone, Israel was just tired of senselessly defeating you and get casualties on the way and thought that peace is more important because we value human life and we don't go on wars for the sake of getting more power or land, but only to protect ourselves.

So not only couldn't Egypt recapture the Sinai, it even lost land to Israel in mainland Egypt. In the end Israel gained more land than it has lost.

Go on, keep claiming you won. No one believes that.

yes , good hearted occupiers ❤
nice invaders ❤ Who gives back the occupied territories for free …..
to end this argument , you are a proxy state ….. a strong army that has a state …. Occupation and invasion is what feeds your greeds …… you have withdrawn from the Egyptian land because you cannot handle the casualties that you faced and it costs you a lot to occupy Egyptian territories in lives and money.

We chosed peace ….. but we are ready to defend our land again against your greeds .

As for that,I wish it never gets to it, but it only takes one Stealthy F-35 with one cruise missile or just a ground launched cruise missile to destroy the Aswan dam to drown most of your country.
There's also the nuclear option.

And we don't even need that, our forces are simply superior in training, experience and in technology.
You could buy all sorts of weapons, in the end, they're as good as their controller. Considering our weapons are equal to or better than yours, and that our soldiers are better trained and more experienced, you will loose yet again.

Sure you consider that …. You are just a savage barbaric example of what your grandfathers massacres committed against peaceful Muslims and Christians in Jerusalem.

BTW, now there are engineering solutions to direct the water to the desert in case of you think to destroy the High dam …… sure there will be casualties …. But also be ready to receive chemical and biological attacks ☠ As a retaliation .

Drone attacks were egregious violation and a profoundly sick attack on the rights of Pakistani citizens, but it was done with the collusion of the local imperial agents

Pakistan did free half of Kashmir the other half would have been freed if our local agent of Americans similar to Sisi hadn't done his American counterparts namely Kennedy and LBJ a huge favor not to attack India when Indians was getting their butt kicked by the Chinese and Pakistan could have easily walked right into the remaining occupied Kashmir.

Without unconventional weapons Egypt's military build up is futile, it will remain a paper tiger especially in the context of Israel...

The only entity Egypt's military buildup is not aimed at is Israel.

Egypt has chemical warfare weapons from 50 years and that’s why Israel didn’t use nukes in Ramadan war …

bro, me and israeli member above know what means to be in war ….. our nations fought each other then chosed peace …. And we as Egyptians will never break our promises unless the Israelis did …..

on the other hand , you as a keyboard warrior …. Your Nation is thousand of miles away ….. with a godfather called China to counter India …. And still dare to mention fighting Israel in front of an Egyptian …!!
and your wards are typical an Israeli propaganda….. and I’m pretty sure if a war happened you will choose Israel side and you will support them against Egypt .

man people like you are a disgrace to their nation and their umma.
 
on the other hand , you as a keyboard warrior ….
I served in the IDF lol, I think you're the keyboard warrior

yes , good hearted occupiers ❤
nice invaders ❤ Who gives back the occupied territories for free …..
to end this argument , you are a proxy state ….. a strong army that has a state …. Occupation and invasion is what feeds your greeds …… you have withdrawn from the Egyptian land because you cannot handle the casualties that you faced and it costs you a lot to occupy Egyptian territories in lives and money.

We chosed peace ….. but we are ready to defend our land again against your greeds .
Nice, completely ignored the fact that Israel was winning the war and could have conquered Cairo in 1973, could have done the same 6 years after the war when we gave you the Sinai in 1979, could have done to Egypt the same thing we did to Syria in 1982 (Egypt had the same MiG21s Syria had and the same air defenses as well, Israeli F-16s and F-15s absolutely destroyed the Syrian air force and all of the Syrian SAMs without any casualties), and can still conquer Cairo today.

You didn't choose peace, we did. The choice to give the Sinai was made by Israel, not Egypt. Israel proved that Egypt cannot militarily regain the Sinai and could only be destroyed in an effort to do so.


Sure you consider that …. You are just a savage barbaric example of what your grandfathers massacres committed against peaceful Muslims and Christians in Jerusalem.

BTW, now there are engineering solutions to direct the water to the desert in case of you think to destroy the High dam …… sure there will be casualties …. But also be ready to receive chemical and biological attacks ☠ As a retaliation .
Highly doubt you can redirect the water. Even if you somehow could redirect it, it would only be partly. The amount of water there is huge, millions would die regardless and that's enough to shut you up.

Israeli missile defense systems can intercept any missile you can throw at us. Soon Israeli Iron Beam would ensure Israeli citizens would be safe of all rocket attacks. Chemical and biological warfare weapons aren't nearly as deadly as nuclear weapons and in an unconventional war Egypt would stop to exist, Israel won't.

Egypt has chemical warfare weapons from 50 years and that’s why Israel didn’t use nukes in Ramadan war …

bro, me and israeli member above know what means to be in war ….. our nations fought each other then chosed peace …. And we as Egyptians will never break our promises unless the Israelis did …..

on the other hand , you as a keyboard warrior …. Your Nation is thousand of miles away ….. with a godfather called China to counter India …. And still dare to mention fighting Israel in front of an Egyptian …!!
and your wards are typical an Israeli propaganda….. and I’m pretty sure if a war happened you will choose Israel side and you will support them against Egypt .
Israel didn't use nukes because Israel wasn't in as much of a despair as you think it did. Such an action has consequences.

My conversation with you isn't because our countries have hostilities now, it's to prove to you that Egypt never won and the only reason we have peace isn't because of Egypt but because of Israel. If anyone, it's Israel that won, because Israel achieved this peace, if it wasn't for Israel, more Israeli blood would have been dropped and 15 times more Egyptian would drop as well, because that was the ratio of casualties in our wars.

Israel won't ever attack Egypt, or anyone, unless provoked. The only time Israel was in danger to have a conflict with Egypt was when Muhammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood gained power. Fortunately that stopped.
 
I served in the IDF lol, I think you're the keyboard warrior


Nice, completely ignored the fact that Israel was winning the war and could have conquered Cairo in 1973, could have done the same 6 years after the war when we gave you the Sinai in 1979, could have done to Egypt the same thing we did to Syria in 1982 (Egypt had the same MiG21s Syria had and the same air defenses as well, Israeli F-16s and F-15s absolutely destroyed the Syrian air force and all of the Syrian SAMs without any casualties), and can still conquer Cairo today.

You didn't choose peace, we did. The choice to give the Sinai was made by Israel, not Egypt. Israel proved that Egypt cannot militarily regain the Sinai and could only be destroyed in an effort to do so.



Highly doubt you can redirect the water. Even if you somehow could redirect it, it would only be partly. The amount of water there is huge, millions would die regardless and that's enough to shut you up.

Israeli missile defense systems can intercept any missile you can throw at us. Soon Israeli Iron Beam would ensure Israeli citizens would be safe of all rocket attacks. Chemical and biological warfare weapons aren't nearly as deadly as nuclear weapons and in an unconventional war Egypt would stop to exist, Israel won't.


Israel didn't use nukes because Israel wasn't in as much of a despair as you think it did. Such an action has consequences.

My conversation with you isn't because our countries have hostilities now, it's to prove to you that Egypt never won and the only reason we have peace isn't because of Egypt but because of Israel. If anyone, it's Israel that won, because Israel achieved this peace, if it wasn't for Israel, more Israeli blood would have been dropped and 15 times more Egyptian would drop as well, because that was the ratio of casualties in our wars.

Israel won't ever attack Egypt, or anyone, unless provoked. The only time Israel was in danger to have a conflict with Egypt was when Muhammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood gained power. Fortunately that stopped.
now I’m confused …. Are you the same person with 2 accounts… one pretending to be Israeli and the other pretend to be Pakistani ..?!
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