The teeth of the Milgem light frigate, the Atmaca beyond line of sight strike missile

[Armchair]

Speculating - benefit of the ATMACA could be ability to be mounted on a VL system.

 

[waz]

Speculating - benefit of the ATMACA could be ability to be mounted on a VL system.

The Atmaca does launch through orthodox launchers. It’s a possibility though. But their primary purpose will be air defence (HQ-16) through the 16 cell VLS.

 

[Imran Khan]

this means we will have another type of missile . we already have many types and we are inducting new types is it good idea?

 

[waz]

this means we will have another type of missile . we already have many types and we are inducting new types is it good idea?

Yes and no we don't have many types in this class bhai.
It's just two i.e. the C-803 and the YJ-12, bare in mind the C-803 is the only one shipped launched.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Yes and no we don't have many types in this class bhai.
It's just two i.e. the C-803 and the YJ-12, bare in mind the C-803 is the only one shipped launched.

No Ship Launched Harpoons?

 

[Armchair]

pak has ship launched harpoons.
So: harpoons, c802, Harbah, exocet, Atmaca.
Maybe the Turkish brothers requested to be the export launch customer for the missile.

 

[Shabi1]

PN is pretty much covered in anti surface missiles by ship, what would be the speculated missiles for our new submarines.

 

[waz]

No Ship Launched Harpoons?

Yes the Harpoon block 2. However range wise (124 kilometer (67 nautical mile)) it comes up short to the newer weapons Pakistan will possess.

 

[graphican]

Thank You for bringing this up, there are shallow craters in Balakot, and the a roasted Su-30 that say otherwise.

As per insiders, Pakistan also has an intact spice 2000 which either Indians laid off as payload or fired but it failed to bust.

 

[Blacklight]

As per insiders, Pakistan also has an intact spice 2000 which either Indians laid off as payload or fired but it failed to bust.

Affirmative

 

[waz]

PN is pretty much covered in anti surface missiles by ship, what would be the speculated missiles for our new submarines.

It will fire the incredibly potent YJ-18 supersonic anti-ship missile with a range of 500-600km, and subsonic flight to supersonic terminal phase of up to mach 3.

 

[kris]

Pakistan's C-802 has a range of 180 km while Indian AShMs like Kaliber and Brahmos have a range of 220 to 300km.

Isn't that something to be concerned about? India has signed MTCR and hence Russia can now export 600km range Brahmos to India. Indian Air Force already has tested the extended range Brahmos. Not sure about Indian navy though.

Pakistan navy needs to out-range Indian Navy effectively. Such qualitative advantages are needed for a smaller force like Pak navy to keep the bigger aggressor in check

Plus: Pakistan's Harba anti-ship cruise missile could possibly out-range all Indian AShMs, if we go by things we read on the internet. However, does anyone have a confirmed source as to the actual range of Harba? Like a Navy press release after a test or something like that?

Atleast one person observed it.
India already extended brahmos range to 450 kms.
Not to forget india already testing air launched braohmos

You forgot about the CM-400AKG (air launched) aka YJ-12, it's operational max range is 400km.The surface version will be arriving with the Type054A i.e. very soon, no need to worry, as in there are no range issues here.
Ok so they can go to Russia, Pakistan can go to China and Turkey.
Also bare in mind the sheer complexity in terms of training, logistics, unforeseen costs etc, that go with acquiring such systems. The navy is expanding, and have literally put out ads for 'a few good men'. Hundreds, even thousands of more sailors will be needed for the endeavours ahead.



The idea is to move out of this blockade narrative. Now with the expansion of the navy and procurement of advanced strike missiles, it will remain a hope, not reality.

The drawback of this ideology is its true until your navy stays close to.shire.under protective cover of PAF as PN doesn't have a dedicated airforce....

 

[waz]

The drawback of this ideology is its true until your navy stays close to.shire.under protective cover of PAF as PN doesn't have a dedicated airforce....

True and a valid point but it’s one step a time. It will take years to form anything as dedicated as the IN has in terms of air support. Also the point is it doesn’t have to stay as close and restrict itself to littoral waters.
But then this topic isn’t about that.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

incredibly potent YJ-18

Would our ship have this too?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

IIRC the PN is not ordering the ATMACA with the MILGEM. Even the Turks, as they understood it, the PN will add its own AShM (be it C-802A or Harbah), which is why it'll have access to the CMS and other subsystems.

I just think that for the next-gen LRMPA, the ATMACA AShM and ORKA lightweight torpedo (LWT) are fair game. In fact, I'd wager that the PN will even consider the SOM. The reason for this is rational: By looping in Turkish anti-sub and anti-ship munitions, the PN might get Turkish help in integrating and testing weapons to the LRMPA.

Integrating weapons to a platform you don't directly own is a tough and costly process.

So, one option is to partner with the munitions supplier to do it jointly. They'll bring the expertise and, possibly, subsidize the NRE costs, but in return for marketing the solution to others. For the PN, that means showing the LRMPA at air shows with Roketsan's weapons and branding, while for Roketsan, it means getting orders each time Pakistan scores as third-party sale of the LRMPA.