The Taliban will ‘never be defeated’

[gambit]

If America cared they would have helped Afghans right after the d@mn Afghan Soviet war!

Why not the muslims? Did they not care, after all, the fight against the Soviets was a collaborative effort between the US, Pakistan and the muslims in the ME. Each had their own interests. If we remained in Afghanistan, what make you think our (speculative) efforts would fare any better than the real efforts today? We are criticized today for not knowing the people and the culture. So who was left? How about other muslim countries in the ME? Who had and still do have the greatest cultural and religious ties to Afghanistan? Certainly not US. This argument is a canard and you know it.

 

[Ahmad]

BS, who told you this?

lol, who's going to teach the children in the school?

After the Afghan soviet war and the bloody civil war that followed, there was not even a teacher left in Afghanistan, they were all either killed by the Soviets or the criminal warlords, Afghanistan didn't even have a single standing hospital!

It wasn't the Taliban's fault that America (after using the Afghans for their own interest) abandoned Afghanistan for more than a decade! The Taliban was a reaction to the horrible things taking place in Afghanistan during the civil war!

If America cared they would have helped Afghans right after the d@mn Afghan Soviet war!

But instead they were busy celebrating in Washington drinking Champagne!


Do you know what a former Pakistani ISI agent said to the American congressman Charlie Wilson?


Below is colonel Imam's conversation with Charlie Wilson:

"The last time he saw Wilson was after the 1988 Geneva accords on the Soviet withdrawal. Imam told him: “You’re abandoning the Afghans. They need financial support for rehabilitation.” Wilson replied: “Dollars don’t grow on trees.” “Do Afghan youth grow on trees?” asked Imam. “Over 1.5m Afghans have died.”

Even now, if you think America is working to help you then your mistaken!

And the only d@mn country that always helped you Afghans was and still is Pakistan! India never gave a cr@p about you, they helped the soviets occupy Afghanistan, and even today they want NATO and America to stay just so they can USE (Their USING you) Afghanistan against Pakistan!

And even if we did support Taliban, we had no choice, its not like we had another option open to us, America abandoned us along with the mess in your country, so if anyone you should be hating then its America, NOT Pakistan so you need to get your mind straight and keep your hate for Pakistan off this forum!

Dear Silent,

What i said is not BS, it is the truth, because i used to live there at that time. And who told you that all the teachers were killed by the soviets or mujahideen? Alot of people died in Afghanistan and that included the teachers, doctors, drivers, students, shop keepers etc, but if we say all the teachers(or even if we say alot of teachers died) then it is absolutely wrong. there were teachers everywhere both female and male, we can say shortage of teachers but it will be very wrong to say there was no teacher. And that is another wrong thing you said, no standing hospital, do you want me to give you the names of the hospitals which were all operating before and after the taliban? secondly the NGOs funded by the UN and EU were always busy building schools, small hospitals, clinics, irregation structures etc, Afghanistan has been a very devastated country but not a jungle as you imagine. and who is saying that the americans are there for only and only one purpose to serve afghans' interests? did i every say that? our president ever said that? even Obama said that? i dont think anybody is saying this. America is clearly and loudly saying that it wants make secure its own country and to do that they need to have a stable afghanistan. nobody is doing anything for free to anybody. and please dont say that Pakistan helped us, pakistan helped itself, pakistan also had a big hand in our civil war, yes if you say that you support/supported the taliban for your proxy benefits then i can agree with you, and the thing with about supporting mujahideen, but never ever say that Pakistan helped afghanistan, because it is nothing but an incorrect statment. you guys helped yourselves, you protected your own skin from the might of the soviets and then used afghanistan against india for your proxy interests.

 

[Desert Fox]

Why not the muslims? Did they not care, after all, the fight against the Soviets was a collaborative effort between the US, Pakistan and the muslims in the ME. Each had their own interests. If we remained in Afghanistan, what make you think our (speculative) efforts would fare any better than the real efforts today? We are criticized today for not knowing the people and the culture. So who was left? How about other muslim countries in the ME? Who had and still do have the greatest cultural and religious ties to Afghanistan? Certainly not US. This argument is a canard and you know it.

lol, don't give me that, we all know that the Muslims leaders are only there to fill their fat bellies! The only Muslim country that tried to solve the Afghan problem was Pakistan, but we are criticized for that!

But i'm talking about the USA, the same good ol USA who went to Iraq to liberate Iraqis from the ruthless Saddam Hussien (the same guy whom they once supported)!

How come these liberating American's didn't help Afghans when ruthless warlords were tearing the country apart?

How come these Americans who dearly love and admire their Afghan brethren didn't come to bring "democracy" and "freedom" during the civil war in Afghanistan? Where was the call for Human rights violations back then? How come America failed to see the rapes of many Afghan women at the hands of the ruthless warlords (the same warlords whom America is today supporting)!

I mean you guys could have prevented the horrible, ruthless, barbaric Taliban from coming into power, couldn't you? You could have stopped Al-Qaeda from gaining foothold in Afghanistan right?

Please, who do you think your fooling? your only USING Afghanistan for your own interest!

 

[Desert Fox]

Dear Silent,

What i said is not BS, it is the truth, because i used to live there at that time. And who told you that all the teachers were killed by the soviets or mujahideen? Alot of people died in Afghanistan and that included the teachers, doctors, drivers, students, shop keepers etc, but if we say all the teachers(or even if we say alot of teachers died) then it is absolutely wrong. there were teachers everywhere both female and male, we can say shortage of teachers but it will be very wrong to say there was no teacher. And that is another wrong thing you said, no standing hospital, do you want me to give you the names of the hospitals which were all operating before and after the taliban? secondly the NGOs funded by the UN and EU were always busy building schools, small hospitals, clinics, irregation structures etc, Afghanistan has been a very devastated country but not a jungle as you imagine.

Who said Afghanistan was a jungle, stop putting words in my mouth! And pleas, kindly provide me the names of hospitals!

and who is saying that the americans are there for only and only one purpose to serve afghans' interests? did i every say that?

clearly your hatred for Pakistanis show's that you consider everyone else an angel and Pakistan the devil!

our president ever said that? even Obama said that? i dont think anybody is saying this. America is clearly and loudly saying that it wants make secure its own country and to do that they need to have a stable afghanistan.

Why a stable Afghanistan now, why not before?

and please dont say that Pakistan helped us, pakistan helped itself

So you mean to tell me all those 3-7 million Afghan refuges were undercover Pakistanis who crossed the border fleeing Soviet Army?

, pakistan also had a big hand in our civil war,

So i'm guessing it was Pakistan who was backing the Northern Alliance and the Taliban! Your hatred for Pakistan is what is blinding you!

You seem to forget that it was because of indian proxies (BLA) and Northern alliance we had to support Taliban, so why are you blaiming us for? like i said, if America gave a d@mn about you the Taliban wouldn't have existed in the first place, so keep your hatred for America, not Pakistan!

yes if you say that you support/supported the taliban for your proxy benefits then i can agree with you,

I'm guessing your uneducated and don't know anything about your country! How can you forget about india's proxy wars against Pakistan, was Pakistan the only country involved in Afghanistan after Soviet withdrawal?

and the thing with about supporting mujahideen, but never ever say that Pakistan helped afghanistan, because it is nothing but an incorrect statment.

Yeah, i guess your right, it was the indians who allowed more than 3 million refuges into their country, and still today they are caring for Afghans with love

you guys helped yourselves, you protected your own skin from the might of the soviets and then used afghanistan against india for your proxy interests.

Tell me, who wants peace in Afghanistan today? who is helping reconciliation between Taliban, Karzai, and America? india, or Pakistan?

India wants America and NATO to stay so that they can continue to USE (their USING you) against Pakistan! indian can care less about how many children die in this war, but as long as they can continue to wage proxy war against Pakistan its fine with them!

I can understand your hypocrisy and hatred, no wonder your country is in shambles! I bet you love it when india and America play with Afghanistan, and then throws you away after using you, no problem, if that's how you like then i'm good!

Complete and total BS, that's all i can say, bravo, congratulations, you have posted the most BS i have ever read in one post!

Tell me one by one, step by step, why exactly your mind spews sooooooooooooooooooo much BS against Pakistan?

Tell me, why, of all countries who ****** up Afghanistan, you choose Pakistan?

Tell me, why?

What did Pakistan do to to be so honored to be your enemy?

Tell me why don't you? instead of posting lame one line excuses explain to me why you hate Pakistan? i would be glad to know?

 

[adrenalin]

Nothing is impossible.
Just to freshen your memory, America conquered Moon decades back.
But yeah! the right sense should prevail!

 

[Gazzi]

Dear Silent,

What i said is not BS, it is the truth, because i used to live there at that time. And who told you that all the teachers were killed by the soviets or mujahideen? Alot of people died in Afghanistan and that included the teachers, doctors, drivers, students, shop keepers etc, but if we say all the teachers(or even if we say alot of teachers died) then it is absolutely wrong. there were teachers everywhere both female and male, we can say shortage of teachers but it will be very wrong to say there was no teacher. And that is another wrong thing you said, no standing hospital, do you want me to give you the names of the hospitals which were all operating before and after the taliban? secondly the NGOs funded by the UN and EU were always busy building schools, small hospitals, clinics, irregation structures etc, Afghanistan has been a very devastated country but not a jungle as you imagine. and who is saying that the americans are there for only and only one purpose to serve afghans' interests? did i every say that? our president ever said that? even Obama said that? i dont think anybody is saying this. America is clearly and loudly saying that it wants make secure its own country and to do that they need to have a stable afghanistan. nobody is doing anything for free to anybody. and please dont say that Pakistan helped us, pakistan helped itself, pakistan also had a big hand in our civil war, yes if you say that you support/supported the taliban for your proxy benefits then i can agree with you, and the thing with about supporting mujahideen, but never ever say that Pakistan helped afghanistan, because it is nothing but an incorrect statment. you guys helped yourselves, you protected your own skin from the might of the soviets and then used afghanistan against india for your proxy interests.

"Our president", "our civil war",

WTF, your the one who is displaying UN flags in your profile and you are actually using the word OUR. If you were that sincere and caring, you would go back now when the US is there and help in the countries reconstruction......but noooooo, sitting in the comfort of your armchair typing away your poison with ill information really helps now doesn't it.

About your lie about the drugs issue with Taliban

-----------> Link Who benefits from the Afghan Opium Trade? Link <----------

Taliban actually eradicated Opium production where they could, it has now increased. I am well aware of the drugs issue in the News before 9/11 and how grateful in the West the media was for the Taliban help in wiping out the drugs trade....however, just before war all the false proaganda, abit like yourself started pouring out about how the Taliban is running the drugs market, what absolute F ing BS.

I can qoute many other links for you, if you so wish

On one hand you call them fundmentalists and on the other drug barons, first understand the word fundamentalist, fanatics, extremist then come and spread your lies here.......the Taliban, as fundamentalist hold on dealry to the basic fundamentals of Islam and follow Islam strictly, which means drugs is out of the question, hence why they eradicated drugs during their rule.....only corrupt ill minded persons, like yourself, would not like this sort of move as the Taliban bought security and PEACE........recall that word PEACE to the region where once outlaws, warlords and gangsters roamed the streets.

You Sir, talk about living in Afghanistan and that there were teachers available, tell me, if this is true, then why the F ing hell would you live there during the Taliban rule and leave during the US rule....makes no sense, stop trying to get the upper hand in a debate by using this crap about having first hand knowledge and by publicising more of your BS here.

Question is, were the Taliban under sanctions, if so, why........they had just taken over most of Afghanistan, bought PEACE and security........something no one else was able to do....but they get hit with sanctions and suddenly all this proaganda crap starts to come out which is even refuted by the Taliban at the time and others who have actually met the Taliban......Yes they punish people, but guess what.....so do the champions of democracy, Abu Ghraib, Bagran, Guantanamo, and many other Police/Military brutality videos I could show you on Youtube alone.....the US even executes people by electric chair, lethal injection.....thats has a nice ring to it don't you think, lethal injection, its like calling a vacuum bomb, a weapon of mass destruction a daisy cutter........Give the Taliban electricity and they too will have electric chair executions, but guess, what....they don't, hence they use whatever means are avilable to them to maintain law and order, just like they do in the west.

But heyho, when the warlords were running amock and looting, robbing, murdering, raping etc etc etc, no sanctions, instead they were taking sides.....only the Taliban, didn't want to take any side or assist the outside world in helping to destroy its country.

Please get your story correct and not pussyfoot around here with your crap.

 

[qaisar52]

Personnely, i think Afgan talibans="Army of MAHADI" !
NO ONE CAN defeat THEM BY FORCE !

Sorry My Dear Taliban can never be Mahdi army. Taliban are those who killed Syed families (Prophet Mohammed (Sallah Allah ho aleh hey Waslam).

Please do search than post.

 

[Solomon2]

On the contrary Solomon the US is the one who created...the US is the one who bought back -

In addition to the series of declassified U.S. government cables I've linked to, Kakgeta, Ahmed Rashid's 2000 book, Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia is a good reference.

The [U.S.] came and went leaving an absolute mess in Afghanistan, and leaving Pakistan to deal with this neighbour -

The Geneva Accords that ended Soviet involvement also forbade the U.S. from meddling in Afghanistan's internal affairs. Still, the fact that post-conflict support was practically non-existent was rather uncharacteristic for the U.S. I'm not sure what form that aid could have taken, or to whom, exactly.

So clearly they are going to try and stabilise the country by whatever is the easiest and practical route, here comes the Taliban -

This is the first time I've heard the argument that Pakistan's support of the Taliban was "the easiest and practical route" to a post-war Afghanistan that satisfied Pakistan. Gazzi, do you think the U.S. secretly supported Pakistan to bring this about? I don't doubt that after the Russians pulled out the U.S. often deferred to Pakistani judgment and initiative regarding Afghan affairs; after all, Pakistan not only did the most to assure victory, but still harbored millions of Afghan refugees.

 

[Thomas]

well said ... U.S (aka the superpower ) sukksss, almost 9 years at war with Afghan Taliban, and loosing. theyr gonna get their @$$e$ kicked out of Afghan.. youll see..

Lets say U.S gets defeated, and Taliban govern Afghanistan again.... who becomes superpower ???

Do you hope for Taliban rule of Pakistan as well?

 

[gambit]

lol, don't give me that, we all know that the Muslims leaders are only there to fill their fat bellies!

Why are you avoiding the question? Answer me -- Who is the better choice to help Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal? US or the muslims? If Osama bin Laden can do it in his own way with his own money, why not individual muslims? Why not the muslim governments in Asia?

But i'm talking about the USA, the same good ol USA who went to Iraq to liberate Iraqis from the ruthless Saddam Hussien (the same guy whom they once supported)!

May be you either forget or did not know but the muslims supported Saddam Hussein as well.

Gulf Cooperation Council [GCC]

...immediate objective was to protect themselves from the threat posed by the Iran-Iraq War and Iranian-inspired activist Islamism (also seen as fundamentalism).

If anything, Saddam Hussein needed the approval and support of the muslims more than he did from US. It was a muslims against muslims war. It was about muslim, not American or European, oil interests.

 

[The Patriot]

The Geneva Accords that ended Soviet involvement also forbade the U.S. from meddling in Afghanistan's internal affairs. Still, the fact that post-conflict support was practically non-existent was rather uncharacteristic for the U.S. I'm not sure what form that aid could have taken, or to whom, exactly.

Besides the Geneva accord, two things happened which changed or shifted American focus: one was to oversee the smooth transition from the cold war to the post cold war world. And to manage the reunification of Germany. The second thing was the Gulf situation. in early 90s the US was dealing with something big than Afghanistan. In fact, it was a good opportunity for Pakistan to serve its interests, if it wanted, in Afghanistan while the US was engaged somewhere else. But our policy makers failed to capitalize on the gains and favorable situation. It was a great opportunity which they lost.

 

[S-2]

"...two things happened which changed or shifted American focus: one was to oversee the smooth transition from the cold war to the post cold war world. And to manage the reunification of Germany. The second thing was the Gulf situation."

Good call and completely accurate. Moreover, it was natural that our focus would shift as we'd held no historical interests to Afghanistan.

WRT to a taliban victory in Afghanistan, we'll know a lot more based upon how Marjah evolves, specifically as well as the overall situation in Afghanistan by the end of this year. The taliban are being challenged in areas that heretofore they'd assumed were in-country sanctuary. Whether our efforts to reassert Afghan government control can take effective hold or not will go far to deciding the issue.

Thanks.

 

[Ahmad]

Who said Afghanistan was a jungle, stop putting words in my mouth! And pleas, kindly provide me the names of hospitals!

You were just short of saying that. But anyways, all over Afghanisan there are many many schools and hospitals that i dont remember the names and/or dont know the names, but i can give you the list of some big hospitals and schools in Kabul as an example: Hospitals--> Jamhoryat, Nesaye wa Woladi, Chaharsad Bestar, Malalay Maternitiy Hospital, Ali Abad, Maiwand etc. Schools--->Habibia, Sayed Noor M. Shah, Amani, Naderi, Esteqlal, Mariam, Rabia Balkhi, Ghazi etc. all of these stand well in good shape upto now.

clearly your hatred for Pakistanis show's that you consider everyone else an angle and Pakistan the devil!

Nope, i dont consider everyone as angel and i dont consider pakisan as devil, i was just trying to tell you how you were wrong in your assessments and ideas.


Why a stable Afghanistan now, why not before?

Ask the americans, i dont know. I never said and will never say that the americans are there to help us, they help themselves, but if we are clever enough we can take benefit from that situation.


So you mean to tell me all those 3-7 million Afghan refuges were undercover Pakistanis who crossed the border fleeing Soviet Army?

No, i dont say that, but if you didnt allow that 2 millions afghans in your soil, you couldnt find any recruits to train to go to afghanistan and fight the russians, you were only interested to save pakistan, you are wrong to say you helped afghanistan, cuz you didnt.

So i'm guessing it was Pakistan who was backing the Northern Alliance and the Taliban! Your hatred for Pakistan is what is blinding you!

Do you know who the NA was? they were the mujahideen who were fighting against the russians(with the exception of one man) and they were under the protection and help of pakistan. later on you stopped supporting them and prefered Gulbudin, by helping him you fueled the civil war, thats how the NA asked for help from India, otherwise the so called NA was your servents before that.


I'm guessing your uneducated and don't know anything about your country! How can you forget about india's proxy wars against Pakistan, was Pakistan the only country involved in Afghanistan after Soviet withdrawal?

I might or might not be uneducated, but the fact is i know alot about my country. I can never forget the proxy wars, i have literally mentioned in alot of my posts, this is exactly what i am intended to say. it is all about proxy wars, india-pakistan, alqaeda-america, and others, it is a lie to say that you care about afghanistan, because you dont, you are only interested in your proxies. Freedom, muslims, freedom fighters, good taliban and bad taliban etc they are all the deception.

Yeah, i guess your right, it was the indians who allowed more than 3 million refuges into their country, and still today they are caring for Afghans with love

You did it for your own purpose.


Tell me, who wants peace in Afghanistan today? who is helping reconciliation between Taliban, Karzai, and America? india, or Pakistan?

Only it is because of the pressure from your american masters.


India wants America and NATO to stay so that they can continue to USE (their USING you) against Pakistan! indian can care less about how many children die in this war, but as long as they can continue to wage proxy war against Pakistan its fine with them!

And pakistan want the taliban to fight! does that bring any peace?


I can understand your hypocrisy and hatred, no wonder your country is in shambles! I bet you love it when india and America play with Afghanistan, and then throws you away after using you, no problem, if that's how you like then i'm good!

No, no hypocracy, just telling the truth.


Complete and total BS, that's all i can say, bravo, congratulations, you have posted the most BS i have ever read in one post!

Tell me one by one, step by step, why exactly your mind spews sooooooooooooooooooo much BS against Pakistan?

tell me why your mouth is so full of BS today?


Tell me, why, of all countries who ****** up Afghanistan, you choose Pakistan?

Tell me, why?

Because pakistan did most of the things and still not leaving us alone.


Tell me why don't you? instead of posting lame one line excuses explain to me why you hate Pakistan? i would be glad to know?

NO, i dont hate pakisan as a matter of fact i respect nation of pakistan. criticizing your wrong foreign policy is something else.

 

[Ahmad]

"Our president", "our civil war",

I swear to allah that i was absolutely critical of my president until i saw how much you guys wanted afghanistan down and burning in fire but now i have changed my mind and will give him all the support.


WTF, your the one who is displaying UN flags in your profile and you are actually using the word OUR. If you were that sincere and caring, you would go back now when the US is there and help in the countries reconstruction......but noooooo, sitting in the comfort of your armchair typing away your poison with ill information really helps now doesn't it.

And WTF are you doing in the UK? doesnt your country need you in this critical situation? Pakistan is burning and you are sitting in the armchair comfort of the UK. I am not the only afghan living abroad, and there are millions others. We earn money and send it our hungry families, it is by itself a help to my country, by the way i didnt need to explain myself to you.

About your lie about the drugs issue with Taliban

-----------> Link Who benefits from the Afghan Opium Trade? Link <----------

Taliban actually eradicated Opium production where they could, it has now increased. I am well aware of the drugs issue in the News before 9/11 and how grateful in the West the media was for the Taliban help in wiping out the drugs trade....however, just before war all the false proaganda, abit like yourself started pouring out about how the Taliban is running the drugs market, what absolute F ing BS.

I can qoute many other links for you, if you so wish

They eradicated all the fields at once and left the farmers with nothing, Government of Afghanistan can do the same thing with poisoning the fields from air, but they dont because that will take all the livelihood from the farmers. they are doing it gradually by introducing the programmes. it has been very very successful in the north with the exception of one province and largely successful in west and east, my provice which was full of poppy , but now you dont see it anymore.

On one hand you call them fundmentalists and on the other drug barons, first understand the word fundamentalist, fanatics, extremist then come and spread your lies here.......the Taliban, as fundamentalist hold on dealry to the basic fundamentals of Islam and follow Islam strictly, which means drugs is out of the question, hence why they eradicated drugs during their rule.....only corrupt ill minded persons, like yourself, would not like this sort of move as the Taliban bought security and PEACE........recall that word PEACE to the region where once outlaws, warlords and gangsters roamed the streets.

I didnt call the taliban as fundemantalists etc. where did i say that? I called them criminals and murderes. Taliban didnt bring any peace, there was full scale war right from the begining until the time they were removed from kabul. they did kill thousands and thousands of civilians on purpose by entering every house and killing the people, hope you know this.

You Sir, talk about living in Afghanistan and that there were teachers available, tell me, if this is true, then why the F ing hell would you live there during the Taliban rule and leave during the US rule....makes no sense, stop trying to get the upper hand in a debate by using this crap about having first hand knowledge and by publicising more of your BS here.

I was in Afghanistan until Nov 2000, then i left Afghanistan as the situation was bad.

Question is, were the Taliban under sanctions, if so, why........they had just taken over most of Afghanistan, bought PEACE and security........something no one else was able to do....but they get hit with sanctions and suddenly all this proaganda crap starts to come out which is even refuted by the Taliban at the time and others who have actually met the Taliban......Yes they punish people, but guess what.....so do the champions of democracy, Abu Ghraib, Bagran, Guantanamo, and many other Police/Military brutality videos I could show you on Youtube alone.....the US even executes people by electric chair, lethal injection.....thats has a nice ring to it don't you think, lethal injection, its like calling a vacuum bomb, a weapon of mass destruction a daisy cutter........Give the Taliban electricity and they too will have electric chair executions, but guess, what....they don't, hence they use whatever means are avilable to them to maintain law and order, just like they do in the west.

I dont care what was the taliban's system and what laws did they apply. I am critical of them because they murdered civilians on purpose, they killed people based on shia-sunni prejudice, and other stupid reasons. do you know how many people they masacared(all of them civilians)? do you know how many times and how many cities and villages they completely demolished and burnt down? they cut all the fruit trees of some villages. Even after all these atrocites, if they come and join the political process, lay down their weapons, nobody will criticize them.

But heyho, when the warlords were running amock and looting, robbing, murdering, raping etc etc etc, no sanctions, instead they were taking sides.....only the Taliban, didn't want to take any side or assist the outside world in helping to destroy its country.

Please get your story correct and not pussyfoot around here with your crap.

And who cares about these warlords? they are just as bad, and dont forget that they were once supported by pakistan big time. but now they have layed their weapon down.

 

[Always Neutral]

The Taliban will &#8216;never be defeated&#8217;
&#8216;Colonel Imam&#8217;, the Pakistani agent who trained Mullah Omar and the warlords to fight the Soviets, says the US must negotiate with its enemies
Taleban insurgents in Afghanistan

Poor Col. Imam suffers from the memories of the past. Its obvious that (if he is delusional) he must have held court to fawning GOP and US officials keen to know about the way forward in Afghanistan to end USSR backed regime. Now only sound bytes he can offer is to the odd journalist. I can understand his frustrations.

In particular, he chides, they should have remembered the battle of Maiwand in 1880, in which 2,500 British troops took on 25,000 Afghans and suffered a devastating defeat.

Well poor Col. Imam living in the past when there was no Taliban and cleverly trying to confuse people by stating that todays Taliban with 1880 united Afghan population. Todays Taliban are a mixture of deluded kids and mercenary scum. Day by day their safe sancturies are being whittled down. They have been reduced to the level of a tribal mafia.

His comments come as the number of British soldiers killed by enemy action in Afghanistan has risen to 137, one more than the number who have died in Iraq.

So ? I salute these 137 men as they have died for a higher purpose just as I salute the rest of the ISAF men killed or wounded and just I salute the 2500 odd PA men killed. TALIBAN IS DEFEATED and heart of heart Col. Imam cannot accept it as he trained them.

According to Imam, Helmand is particularly difficult because of the character of the people. &#8220;They couldn&#8217;t care less about loss of property or loss of life,&#8221; he said.

Well sorry Col. we have moved into Helmand alongwith the ANA smoothly, inspite letting the Taliban know, when we would in advance. Your boys ran like rats.

It is unlikely that anybody alive today knows the Afghans as well as Imam. All the key figures were trained in his camps, from the late Ahmad Shah Massoud, the Lion of Panj-shir, to warlords such as Gul-buddin Hekmatyar, his &#8220;naughtiest&#8221; student. &#8220;It was a matter of pride for me that my students later became big commanders,&#8221; he said.

THEY ALSO BECAME BARBARIC DEPOTS, FEUDAL LORDS, ALLLOWED THEIR MINIONS TO CARESS WOMENS BOTTOM IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. I CAN NOW UNDERSTAND HIS FRUSTRATION WHEN HE SEES THEM RUNNING LIKE HEADLESS CHICKENS FROM THE ISAF.
&#8220;The Afghan is a very cunning soldier,&#8221; he added. &#8220;He picks things up very quickly and never forgets. As a Pakistani unit commander I&#8217;d be training my men for six months and maybe they would remember 70&#37;. But in Afghanistan teenagers came, had only three days&#8217; weapon training and they remembered 100%. In just 15 days they mastered the Stinger [the shoulder-mounted surface-to-air missile].&#8221;

Conviniently forgetting that the ANA fighting the Taliban are Afghanis to.

Omar passed through his camps in 1985. &#8220;He was a simple man, a small commander leading a maximum of 40 people and didn&#8217;t have much weaponry,&#8221; Imam recalled.

Sounds like delusional musings of a guy desperate for attention.

One of Imam&#8217;s biggest backers was Congressman Charlie Wilson, the Texan who was instrumental in securing funding for Operation Cyclone, the CIA programme to supply arms with which the mujaheddin would fight the Soviet troops.
&#8220;He used to dance with happiness at seeing our training camps,&#8221; said Imam.

Never seen CS ever dance. Though he must have been happy to get rid of the USSR just like Pakistan.

Within 10 years the Russians had been forced out. &#8220;Total expenditure just $5 billion and not a single American life,&#8221; said Imam. &#8220;Now the Americans are spending hundreds of billions and losing hundreds of lives.&#8221;


Like many Pakistanis he refuses to believe the September 11 attacks were carried out by Osama Bin Laden. &#8220;An operation like that needs ground support,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I have no doubt it was carried out by the Americans to give a bad name to the Taliban government as an excuse to topple it.&#8221;

YES THE WORLD IS FULL OF FOOLS EXCEPT COL. IMAM. A DISGRACE TO PA WHICH IS FIGHTING TTP.

When General Pervez Musharraf, then president of Pakistan, agreed to American pressure to cut ties to the Taliban, the colonel was outraged.

OFCOURSE HE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED A WAR BETWEEN US AND GOP ?

Recalled to Islamabad, he told Musharraf: &#8220;You cannot defeat these people, they are well trained, they have a lot of ammunition and the more you kill, the more supporters will come.&#8221; Today he adds: &#8220;It was the blunder of his life and because of it we are all doomed.&#8221;

WELL KIYANI SAYS ITS GOP WAR SO IMAM CAN GO AND HOP.


&#8220;I&#8217;m quite happy with the current situation because the Americans are trapped there. The Taliban will not win but in the end the enemy will tire, like the Russians.&#8221;

NEED I SAY MORE. Makes a mockery of the title of the thread.

He has offered to find the Americans a way out: &#8220;We can give them a face-saving solution but they must change their strategy.&#8221;

I can tell him where to shove his face saving solution. We will not tire. We will remain in a support role and help the ANA whenever required.


He insisted the Taliban leader was not in Pakistan: &#8220;He&#8217;s in the hills of Uruzgan, his home province. If there&#8217;s a requirement he will listen to me, but why should I get him involved in a risky situation?&#8221;

WHAT A CARTOON. Guess he put his foot in his mouth. Mullah "Brother" caught a few days back was arrested in Karachi. Guess this moron considers Karachi in AF. This statement exposes his desperation.

Imam said he had watched with horror as fighting spread into Pakistan and had been shocked to see his fellow officers having to fight against their own countrymen in the Swat district.&#8220;These are not Taliban, they are tribals,&#8221; he said.

So he agrees with the ISI Chief that TTP is not RAW in disguise but tribal patriots. Tell that to the family of the PA Brigadier they killed eventhough he was on a rescue mission.


The call for prayer brings our interview to an end. Before he goes he has one last warning: &#8220;I tell you when my nation rises up it is not Afghanistan, not Iraq. There will be tremendous killing.&#8221;

Drivel of a man who should be arrested and put in a mental home. Lastly I salute the ANA and the ordinary AF people for their bravery.

Regards