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The silence in the muslim world about Yarmuk

Iran's version of Palestine is restricted to their asset named Hammas which ayatullah regime uses regularly against Israel to protect Israeli agression against Iran's interest and borders. The biggest mistake of Israel was to take out Shaikh Yasin IMHO as this left Hammas almost visionless. With Iranian help,Hammas subsequently turned into a gang and devided palistine between Hammas and PLO. To date, Almost all of the clashes with Israel have taken place in Gaza-which is under the control of Hammas- and not in west bank-which is controlled by Fatah. Ans whats more interesting is that both of the groups are bitter enemies of eachother. Palistine is a more complex issue than an emotional one. Even Iran wouldnt like a peace between Hammas and Israelis as this would effectively mean Israel increasing her attention to destabalize the Iranian interests in the region. In all, Palistine is an essential tool in the power game of Tehran in ME.
 
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ISIS has already been attacked by Saudi coalition, protecting Palestinian camp near Damascus from ISIS means that the coalition should think about putting ground troops there (in Syria). A very good idea actually, but no Muslim leaders are brave enough to do so so far.
 
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I guess op was expecting this kind of a response


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Muslim logic --- muslim killing muslim is ok , non-muslim killing muslim in defence is a not ok , its a genocide.
 
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One iranian member on here even told me they are against/anti israel simply because the Quran tels them Jews are the biggest ennemies to Muslims, so they should hate/kill jews more than any hatred/problem they have against their fellow muslim country/rival LMAO:rofl:
first they are much more non Iranians having said this bullshit and having supported the radicals in Syria for exemple in this forum.
one Iranian doesn't represent Iranians . i understand it is convenient to believe ultra ultras represent Iranians but they are not, by far.
We have more Jews than any country in ME except Israel.

Personnaly i am not against Israel except their blind perception of Iran and Iranians .
We have stupid radicals in Iran but far less than in Jordan , KSA of course, and so.

Iran has always been anti "israel" (zionist is the propaganda word) since Khomeiny.
for me a stupid choice. we can totally disagree and condemn actions by Israel but we still can accept the fact they are a nation. And our worst ennemy is clearly by far KSA right now: supporting radicals , doing propaganda against Iran, supporting MeK, asking USA to attack Iran (wikileaks )
Indeed the best to do is ignore one country in the world: KSA until they are not led by fanatics. no other country is ennemy except for the radicals in Iran.
 
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@MarkusS

The Arab League and almost every single Arab government has condemned the ongoing tragedy in the Yarmouk Camp. The fault lies with the murderous Al-Assad regime and the Farsi terror Mullah's who stand behind Al-Assad and support the mass-murderer of Syrians politically, economically and militarily.

The Iranian Mullah regime is obsessed with the 450 million or so Arabs and with meddling in the Arab world where they have no business at all, where they are not welcome and where they are largely loathed by the Arab masses.


Yarmouk is under total siege and bombardment for over 2 years. With Iranian help.

Exactly which is the biggest irony.

ISIS has already been attacked by Saudi coalition, protecting Palestinian camp near Damascus from ISIS means that the coalition should think about putting ground troops there (in Syria). A very good idea actually, but no Muslim leaders are brave enough to do so so far.

Expect the upcoming joint Arab military force to deal with Syria if Yemen is dealt with successfully. It seems to be the only option to end the conflict otherwise the current civil war will last for years and more people will get killed.

@Antaréss @Dr.Thrax
 
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but we still can accept the fact they are a nation

Ideally yes, fully agreed to your honest position. However, being neither a muslim nor a Jew and having friends from both, I have termed it thus :
I recognize Israël's right to exist as much as it recognizes the right of Palestine to exist. No more no less!

So it's up to them really ... 8-) and I'll stick to that.

I find it always helps to be fair.
Good day all, Tay.
 
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Iran's reputation got worse than that of Israel. It is Iran's own fault for this reputation. They profit from conflict. Iran supported the massacre of 300k women and children in Syria. I think Iran won't be able to recover from this. They screwed up big time for short term gains but on long term there will the grave consequences.
 
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Expect the upcoming joint Arab military force to deal with Syria if Yemen is dealt with successfully. It seems to be the only option to end the conflict otherwise the current civil war will last for years and more people will get killed.

@Antaréss @Dr.Thrax

Yup, it should have been done long long time ago, we should not depend on the west. Indonesia in the past even invaded East Timor for geopolitical reason ( fighting the communist ) under a calm leader (Soeharto) while USA lost war in Vietnam. We also helped Malaysia and sent special force to deal with its communist rebel during Soeharto regime.

Another reason of why ground troops should be prepared for Syria case is to learn what is happening in Libya currently. Situation in Libya could have been more controllable if GCC put troops there in the past to kick Gaddafi out instead of relying on rebel who is consisted of different group and different agenda.
 
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Not all Jews are our enemy but we consider Zionist Jews as enemy

LOOL your extremists(together with your sunni terror groups Hamas think otherwise), they will kill any jew giving the chance/opportunity, to them they are all legitimate targets.:butcher::lol:

By the way its funny to hear that a holy book like the Quran will label members from another religion/ethnic group as ennemies for its followers. Strange indeed.lool Anyway Iran should keep it up its 'muslim superman' job.:enjoy: Tough its funny to read news like this from the new york times:


OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
The Enemy of My Enemy Is Still My Enemy
By BERNARD HAYKEL

WITH Israel at war with Hezbollah, where, you might wonder, is Al Qaeda? From all appearances on the Web sites frequented by its sympathizers, which I frequently monitor, Al Qaeda is sitting, unhappily and uneasily, on the sidelines, watching a movement antithetical to its philosophy steal its thunder. That might sound like good news. But it is more likely an ominous sign.

Stephen Savage
Al Qaeda’s Sunni ideology regards Shiites as heretics and profoundly distrusts Shiite groups like Hezbollah. It was Al Qaeda that is reported to have given Sunni extremists in Iraq the green light to attack Shiite civilians and holy sites. A Qaeda recruiter I met in Yemen described the Shiites as “dogs and a thorn in the throat of Islam from the beginning of time.”
But now Hezbollah has taken the lead on the most incendiary issue for jihadis of all stripes: the fight against Israel.

Many Sunnis are therefore rallying to Hezbollah’s side, including the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Jordan. The Saudi cleric Salman al-Awda has defied his government’s anti-Hezbollah position, writing on his Web site that “this is not the time to express our differences with the Shiites because we are all confronted by our greater enemy, the criminal Jews and Zionists.”

For Al Qaeda, it is a time of panic. The group’s Web sites are abuzz with messages and questions about how to respond to Hezbollah’s success. One sympathizer asks whether, even knowing that the Shiites are traitors and the accomplices of the infidel Americans in Iraq, it is permissible to say a prayer for Hezbollah. He is told to curse Hezbollah along with Islam’s other enemies.
Several of Al Qaeda’s ideologues have issued official statements explaining Hezbollah’s actions and telling followers how to respond to them. The gist of their argument is that the Shiites are conspiring to destroy Islam and to resuscitate Persian imperial rule over the Middle East and ultimately the world. The ideologues label this effort the “Sassanian-Safavid conspiracy,” in reference to the Sassanians, a pre-Islamic Iranian dynasty, and to the Safavids, a Shiite dynasty that ruled Iran and parts of Iraq from 1501 till 1736.

They go on to argue that thanks to the United States (the leader of the Zionist-Crusader conspiracy), Iraq has been handed over to the Shiites, who are now wantonly massacring the country’s Sunnis. Syria is already led by a Shiite heretic, President Bashar al-Assad, whose policies harm the country’s Sunni majority.

Hezbollah, according to these analyses, seeks to dupe ordinary Muslims into believing that the Shiites are defending Islam’s holiest cause, Palestine, in order to cover for the wholesale Shiite alliance with the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ultimately, this theory goes, the Shiites will fail in their efforts because the Israelis and Americans will destroy them once their role in the broader
Zionist-Crusader conspiracy is accomplished. And then God will assure the success of the Sunni Muslims and the defeat of the Zionists and Crusaders.

In the meantime, no Muslim should be fooled by Hezbollah, whose members have never fought the infidel on any of the real battlefronts, like Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya or Kashmir. The proper attitude for Muslims to adopt is to dissociate themselves completely from the Shiites.

This analysis — conspiratorial, bizarre and uncompelling, except to the most diehard radicals — signals an important defeat for Al Qaeda’s public relations campaign. The truth is that Al Qaeda has met a formidable challenge in Hezbollah and its charismatic leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, who have made canny choices that appeal to Al Qaeda’s Sunni followers. Al Qaeda’s improbable conspiracy theory does little to counter these adavntages.

First, although Sheik Nasrallah wears the black turban and carries the title of “sayyid,” both of which identify him as a Shiite descendant of the Prophet Muhammad, he preaches a nonsectarian ideology and does not highlight his group’s Shiite identity. Hezbollah has even established an effective alliance with Hamas, a Sunni and Muslim Brotherhood organization.

Second, Hezbollah’s statements focus on the politics of resistance to occupation and invoke shared Islamic principles about the right to self-defense. Sheik Nasrallah is extremely careful to hew closely to the dictates of Islamic law in his military attacks. These include such principles as advance notice, discrimination in selecting targets and proportionality.

Finally, only Hezbollah has effectively defeated Israel (in Lebanon in 2000) and is now taking it on again, hitting Haifa and other places with large numbers of rockets — a feat that no Arab or Muslim power has accomplished since Israel’s
founding in 1948.

These are already serious selling points. And Hezbollah will score a major propaganda victory in the Muslim world if it simply remains standing in Lebanon after the present bout of warfare is over and maintains the relationships it is forging with Hamas and other Sunni Islamist organizations.

What will such a victory mean? Perhaps Hezbollah’s ascendancy among Sunnis will make it possible for Shiites and Sunnis to stop the bloodletting in Iraq — and to focus instead on their “real” enemies, namely the United States and Israel. Rumblings against Israeli actions in Lebanon from both Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq already suggest such an outcome.

That may be good news for Iraqis, but it marks a dangerous turn for the West. And there are darker implications still. Al Qaeda, after all, is unlikely to take a loss of status lying down. Indeed, the rise of Hezbollah makes it all the more likely that Al Qaeda will soon seek to reassert itself through increased attacks on Shiites in Iraq and on Westerners all over the world — whatever it needs to do in order to regain the title of true defender of Islam.


Bernard Haykel, an associate professor of Islamic Studies at New York University, is the author of “Revival and Reform in Islam.”




This is an intereting article from the new york times few years ago, ut still relevant. All these was before Hezbollah and Irn intervened in Syria and the rise of ISIS though.:cheesy:
 
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@MarkusS

Expect the upcoming joint Arab military force to deal with Syria if Yemen is dealt with successfully. It seems to be the only option to end the conflict otherwise the current civil war will last for years and more people will get killed.

@Antaréss @Dr.Thrax

Going head to head with Iran and Hezbollah, I don't think so remember Saudis were humiliated when US rejected bombing Syria for you. You had 4 years to do so if you could you would. 10 countries ganging up on the poorest Arab country is nothing to be proud of. Remember your royals barely cling on to Bahrain, you wouldn't want external forces overtly disturbing Bahrain like what Qatar and KSA did in Syria.
 
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