The silence in the muslim world about Yarmuk

[Saif al-Arab]

Iran's reputation got worse than that of Israel. It is Iran's own fault for this reputation. They profit from conflict. Iran supported the massacre of 300k women and children in Syria. I think Iran won't be able to recover from this. They screwed up big time for short term gains but on long term there will the grave consequences.

I would say that Iran is more loathed in the Arab world nowadays than Israel. People are realizing who the real enemy is. Any future relationship with them will be strictly business related.

Besides 21% of Israel's population are Arabs and over 2/3's of all Israeli Jews are of Arab Jewish or partial Arab Jewish origin. There is really no need to dislike them at all once the Palestinian question has been settled.

In any case the antipathy was always against the Israeli state and Zionism and not Jews per se.

Yup, it should have been done long long time ago, we should not depend on the west. Indonesia in the past even invaded East Timor for geopolitical reason ( fighting the communist ) under a calm leader (Soeharto) while USA lost war in Vietnam. We also helped Malaysia and sent special force to deal with its communist rebel during Soeharto regime.

Another reason of why ground troops should be prepared for Syria case is to learn what is happening in Libya currently. Situation in Libya could have been more controllable if GCC put troops there in the past to kick Gaddafi out instead of relying on rebel who is consisted of different group and different agenda.

The problem here is that Syria unlike East Timor is not a tiny island country but a nation of 25 million people located in the heart of the MENA region almost. Also you have to remember that there is the Russian factor. It is basically what stops USA and regional powers from moving into Syria. The Americans and Russia already wage a war on the Ukrainian front. They don't need another. For them Syria is not important. It has little geopolitical importance, there is no oil and gas and quite frankly they probably consider all sides in that conflict to be bad. After all it's just Muslims and then a few Christian Arabs. This is something that the regional players have to solve. I still hope that the upcoming joint Arab military force together with our Turkish neighbors and the international community (more likely only limited to political support which is fair enough) will deal with Syria or at least stabilize it. This civil war cannot go on.

GCC had little to do with Libya. It was a NATO operation. Also Libya is far from everyone. A huge country geographically with just 8 million people, all mostly located in the coastal regions. It gets less attention because of its geographical location and lack of influence. Hopefully things will stabilize if not then divide Libya into two (Western and Eastern Libya) or 3 parts. The three historical parts were/are Tripolitania, Fezzan and Cyrenaica.

As I see it then it's all part of a power vacuum. People have to find their feet post revolution and find their right place in the region and world community. Such things tend to take a LOOONG time historically everywhere. Especially after being ruled by a madman for 40+ years who although had good sides was mostly a bad/incompetent leader.

2011 military intervention in Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


P.S: Did you know that the first East Timorian (?) prime minister was of Arab (Hadhrami) ancestry like around 15 million South East Asians?

Mari Alkatiri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apparently dozens of Sultans, prime ministers, presidents, military generals in South East Asia have been of Arab ancestry. Including the current Sultan of Brunei and his family. I found this out yesterday after additional research.

Going head to head with Iran and Hezbollah, I don't think so remember Saudis were humiliated when US rejected bombing Syria for you. You had 4 years to do so if you could you would. 10 countries ganging up on the poorest Arab country is nothing to be proud of. Remember your royals barely cling on to Bahrain, you wouldn't want external forces overtly disturbing Bahrain like what Qatar and KSA did in Syria.

Nobody begged anybody for anything. Likewise the current coalition will do just fine without Pakistan. It was always about political support. Not troops. The US themselves invented "red lines" that if crossed would lead to consequences for the murderous Al-Assad regime. Obama failed to deliver on his own words. Not of that of anybody else.

President Obama and the ‘red line’ on Syria’s chemical weapons - The Washington Post

In any case he will be gone in precisely 21 months. Likely to be replaced by Republicans. Thank God.

Nobody has intervened in Syria directly. Did you ever bother to think why that is so?

Bahrain is 100% fully in control of KSA and the GCC and no external (read Iranian Mullah's) are able to do anything about it. If they could they would have done so LOOONG ago. You are fooling nobody.

 

[mike2000 is back]

If they are happy with killing the innocent Palestinian ,So they are our enemy
killing children is a sin in all Religions

What the hell does israel-Palestine got to do with Iran?? Seems Iran is trying to overplay its hand and getting into others business like most Saudis/pakistanis and other muslim members on here say. Think Iran should mind its own business, afterall the Sunni terrorist group Hamas you support hates you Iranians shias more than anything, just because they dont have any other choice for now(since no sane country is ready to arm/support their terror activities), doesnt means they consider you as a friend/ally or whatsoever, they loath you like a pest/heretics.lool Keep up your 'support' so you can score your political points though.

 

[Indos]

P.S: Did you know that the first East Timorian (?) prime minister was of Arab (Hadhrami) ancestry like around 15 million South East Asians?

Mari Alkatiri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apparently dozens of Sultans, prime ministers, presidents, military generals in South East Asia have been of Arab ancestry. Including the current Sultan of Brunei and his family. I found this out yesterday after additional research.
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Yup, Mari Alkatiti is an Arab -Timor Leste but if I am not mistaken he has communist mind in the past.

I dont know if its 15 million in all of South East Asian region , but it is said it is 5 million Indonesian who has link to Arab blood according to wikipedia, but this estimate is calculated since the birth of Islam I guest, not from recent Arab coming from Hadramaut during Dutch rule. I dont think its 15 million bro......

Yup, Sultan Brunei is a prophet Muhammad descent from Hasan line.

 

[Hussein]

Yup, Sultan Brunei is a prophet Muhammad descent from Hasan line.

like a lot of liars , including the dictator of Morocco.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yup, Mari Alkatiti is an Arab -Timor Leste but if I am not mistaken he has communist mind in the past.

I dont know if its 15 million in all of South East Asian region , but it is said it is 5 million Indonesian who has link to Arab blood according to wikipedia, but this estimate is calculated since the birth of Islam I guest, not from recent Arab coming from Hadramaut during Dutch rule. I dont think its 15 million bro......

Yup, Sultan Brunei is a prophet Muhammad descent from Hasan line.

I don't know about this all I know is, that it's funny that a Muslim became the first prime minister of a country that is 97% Roman Catholic.

I think there are definitely more than those 5 million brother. Those 5 million are only recent, mostly Hadhrami descendants of migrants that settled in the last 2 centuries. The Arab world and Indonesia have had trade relations for over 1 millennium.

"Before Islam was established amongst Indonesian communities, Muslim traders had been present for several centuries. Ricklefs (1991) identifies two overlapping processes by which the Islamisation of Indonesia occurred: (1) Indonesians came into contact with Islam and converted, and (2) foreign Muslim Asians (Indians, Chinese, Arabs, etc.) settled in Indonesia and mixed with local communities. Islam is thought to have been present in South East Asia from early in the Islamic era. From the time of the third caliph of Islam, 'Uthman' (644-656), Muslim emissaries and merchants were arriving in China who must have passed through Indonesia sea routes from the Islamic world. It would have been through this contact that Arabic emissaries between 904 and the mid-twelfth century are thought to have become involved in the Sumatran trading state of Srivijaya."

Spread of Islam in Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It would not surprise me if there were pre-Islamic ties too which have been purely recorded in the history books like so much else (most events actually). In ancient pre-Islamic (mostly various Semitic sources) a island archipelago far Southeast is referred to as the source of spices. It correspondents well with Indonesia. In any case the relations are very old and deep and likewise there are sizable Indonesian communities in the Arab world especially on the Arabian Peninsula. We must really improve the ties between the GCC (Arab world) and Indonesia even further. It's painful how little of that enormous potential that we have managed to fulfill. Indonesia is a booming economy and a country that many states can learn from.

Maybe all this will change when the political systems in our world will change and the interests of the people will be more important than that of a few selected leaders and their agenda! Eventually it WILL happen.

like a lot of liars , including the dictator of Morocco.

Nonsense. Their family lines are well attested and recognized world over. Morocco has hundreds of large Sadah families that migrated from Hijaz, Arabia and other parts of the Arab world to Morocco as early as a few decades after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saws) and until not long ago.

The most famous tourist attraction/pilgrimage site in Morocco is the grave and mosque of Moulay Idriss Zerhoun the first king of Morocco and the great-grandchild of Hasan ibn Ali (ra).

Moulay Idriss Zerhoun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Simiarily in South East Asia where millions upon millions of people are of Arab or partial Arab descent there are many attested Sadah families. Especially those of Hadhrami descent as Yemen (Hadhramaut) has one of the highest concentrations of Sadah families in the world.

Tarim (Arabic: تريم‎ tarīm) is a historic town situated in the Hadhramaut Valley of South Yemen, South Arabia. Tarim is widely acknowledged as the theological, juridical, and academic center of the Hadhramaut Valley. An important focus of Islamic learning, it is estimated to contain the highest concentration of descendants of the Islamic prophet Muhammad (sayyids) anywhere in the world.[1]

Tarim, Yemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An Iranian telling people of Arab descent/Arab Kings what they are and what they are not. Hilarious.

 

[Hussein]

fabricated link to keep the power and manipulate people. but it doesn't mean there were no Arab there of course. but prophet link is bullshit.

Iranian doesn't avoid people to be Arab. The day you get it , it would be a big step for you i guess.
Anyway i don't care my Arab blood , not like many in this forum.
I don't think Arab is superior at all like i don't think Arab are better muslims .

Islam has lost as well a lot of its faith, from the retard basiji in Iran to the salafis .
lot of people don't want to understand the simple fact we should unite and make our region more peacefully and grow economically.

who are leading this world? who building the best planes? the best tanks? selling lot of weapons? having financial places ?

but since our region is highly led by retards thinking more about their own survival of power than serving the people
(as they do in West : serving the nation and the people)
see your attitude with obsession of farsi ...

 

[Indos]

I don't know about all I know is, that it's funny that a Muslim became the first prime minister of a country that is 97% Roman Catholic.

I think there are definitely more than those 5 million brother. Those 5 million are only recent, mostly Hadhrami descendants of migrants that settled in the last 2 centuries. The Arab world and Indonesia have had trade relations for over 1 millennium.

It would not surprise me if there were pre-Islamic ties too which have been purely recorded in the history books like so much else (most events actually). In ancient pre-Islamic (mostly various Semitic sources) a island archipelago far Southeast is referred to as the source of spices. It correspondents well with Indonesia. In any case the relations are very old and deep and likewise there are sizable Indonesian communities in the Arab world especially on the Arabian Peninsula. We must really improve the ties between the GCC (Arab world) and Indonesia even further. It's painful how little of that enormous potential that we have managed to fulfill. Indonesia is a booming economy and a country that many states can learn from.


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Thanks for that long explanation Al-Hasani, yup I do agree that some native ethnic in Indonesia has strong Middle Eastern connection, particularly in Sumatra and at some extend in Java like found in Betawi ethnic. They are already mixed with the locals and forget about their Arab connection. So, it is difficult to see any Arab Indonesian from Sumatra people, even though Islam and first Islamic Kingdom is from this region. In contrast, Arab Indonesian in Java is still retaining their family name from Hadramaut that is mostly due to protect its link with their prophet Muhammad blood.

Talking about geopolitics. Actually in the past, Soeharto like to put Arab Indonesian as his foreign minister. So there is like an open secret that our foreign minister should be Arab Indonesian. So, I guest it was effort made by Soeharto to get closed with the Arab world and to give a sign that Soeharto administration is a pro Arab one.

Ali Alatas, Indonesian foreign minister during Soeharto regime. He was at the position for very long period.

 

[mike2000 is back]

So baby Jews living in Israel are enemies?

Funny enough yes to them they are all legitimate targets. How religion can make people act irrationally is beyond me.

 

[MarkusS]

Interesting fact regarding Yarmoukh issue was written in italian newspaper today. That "camp" was a center of Anti Assad protests. It is many hundred km away from ISIS controlled area right at the doorsteps of Damascus. President Assads palace is only few km away-

Its amazing to see that ISIS is able to perform its terror so near to Assads power center unmatched and target their terror on Assads enemies.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Interesting fact regarding Yarmoukh issue was written in italian newspaper today. That "camp" was a center of Anti Assad protests. It is many hundred km away from ISIS controlled area right at the doorsteps of Damascus. President Assads palace is only few km away-

Its amazing to see that ISIS is able to perform its terror so near to Assads power center unmatched and target their terror on Assads enemies.

ahahahahha......well to ISIS, AL nusra and other islamists terror groups fighting for the 'liberation/freedom' of the Syrian people( ) everybody is an ennemy if you are not with them/toe their islamist ideology. So in this war its eithr you are with Assad or with ISIS/ several other islamists terror groups. There is no middle part anymore, since these are the 2 main/dominant players and the lines are blurred between who is who between the rebels. If you dont belong to any of these two then you are irrelevant and will be crushed.

 

[Azizam]

Interesting fact regarding Yarmoukh issue was written in italian newspaper today. That "camp" was a center of Anti Assad protests. It is many hundred km away from ISIS controlled area right at the doorsteps of Damascus. President Assads palace is only few km away-

Its amazing to see that ISIS is able to perform its terror so near to Assads power center unmatched and target their terror on Assads enemies.

Palestinians did it again.

I think they maintain some record for backstabbing.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Palestinians did it again.

I think they maintain some record for backstabbing.

nobody beats them at that bro. now ISIS is paying them back by playing with their beheaded heads.

 

[beast89]

I would say that Iran is more loathed in the Arab world nowadays than Israel. People are realizing who the real enemy is. Any future relationship with them will be strictly business related.

Besides 21% of Israel's population are Arabs and over 2/3's of all Israeli Jews are of Arab Jewish or partial Arab Jewish origin. There is really no need to dislike them at all once the Palestinian question has been settled.

In any case the antipathy was always against the Israeli state and Zionism and not Jews per se.



The problem here is that Syria unlike East Timor is not a tiny island country but a nation of 25 million people located in the heart of the MENA region almost. Also you have to remember that there is the Russian factor. It is basically what stops USA and regional powers from moving into Syria. The Americans and Russia already wage a war on the Ukrainian front. They don't need another. For them Syria is not important. It has little geopolitical importance, there is no oil and gas and quite frankly they probably consider all sides in that conflict to be bad. After all it's just Muslims and then a few Christian Arabs. This is something that the regional players have to solve. I still hope that the upcoming joint Arab military force together with our Turkish neighbors and the international community (more likely only limited to political support which is fair enough) will deal with Syria or at least stabilize it. This civil war cannot go on.

GCC had little to do with Libya. It was a NATO operation. Also Libya is far from everyone. A huge country geographically with just 8 million people, all mostly located in the coastal regions. It gets less attention because of its geographical location and lack of influence. Hopefully things will stabilize if not then divide Libya into two (Western and Eastern Libya) or 3 parts. The three historical parts were/are Tripolitania, Fezzan and Cyrenaica.

As I see it then it's all part of a power vacuum. People have to find their feet post revolution and find their right place in the region and world community. Such things tend to take a LOOONG time historically everywhere. Especially after being ruled by a madman for 40+ years who although had good sides was mostly a bad/incompetent leader.

2011 military intervention in Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


P.S: Did you know that the first East Timorian (?) prime minister was of Arab (Hadhrami) ancestry like around 15 million South East Asians?

Mari Alkatiri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apparently dozens of Sultans, prime ministers, presidents, military generals in South East Asia have been of Arab ancestry. Including the current Sultan of Brunei and his family. I found this out yesterday after additional research.



Nobody begged anybody for anything. Likewise the current coalition will do just fine without Pakistan. It was always about political support. Not troops. The US themselves invented "red lines" that if crossed would lead to consequences for the murderous Al-Assad regime. Obama failed to deliver on his own words. Not of that of anybody else.

President Obama and the ‘red line’ on Syria’s chemical weapons - The Washington Post

In any case he will be gone in precisely 21 months. Likely to be replaced by Republicans. Thank God.

Nobody has intervened in Syria directly. Did you ever bother to think why that is so?

Bahrain is 100% fully in control of KSA and the GCC and no external (read Iranian Mullah's) are able to do anything about it. If they could they would have done so LOOONG ago. You are fooling nobody.

Obama's posturing was due to Prince Bandar who is no more because he achieved nothing in Syria.
We all remember KSA's rage when america decided no proving money can't get you everything. Saudis said things would never be the same again. Now saudis are reduced to counting down until Obama leaves lol. Your kings savagely pumped billions into syria (excluding the extremist private donors involvement) instead of dialogue. Outsourcing America and Pakistan to train syrian opposition fighters is KSA's last and only option. Indeed Syria and Iran have also committed mistakes. You have been battling sanctioned Iran with American super power backing you yet they still out play you. Bahrain is Iran's ace and they will play it once they see fit. Molotov throwing youths would be the last of your King's concern. Without ground forces your coalition will fail and once Aden falls the PR veneer of this assault on barefoot houthis will fade away. It's already suffered it first blow.

Furthermore reply to my question in another thread regarding Dawn integrity which continuously try to avoid.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Obama's posturing was due to Prince Bandar who is no more because he achieved nothing in Syria.
We all remember KSA's rage when america decided no proving money can't get you everything. Saudis said things would never be the same again. Now saudis are reduced to counting down until Obama leaves lol. Your kings savagely pumped billions into syria (excluding the extremist private donors involvement) instead of dialogue. Outsourcing America and Pakistan to train syrian opposition fighters is KSA's last and only option. Indeed Syria and Iran have also committed mistakes. You have been battling sanctioned Iran with American super power backing you yet they still out play you. Bahrain is Iran's ace and they will play it once they see fit. Molotov throwing youths would be the last of your King's concern. Without ground forces your coalition will fail and once Aden falls the PR veneer of this assault on barefoot houthis will fade away. It's already suffered it first blow.

Furthermore reply to my question in another thread regarding Dawn integrity which continuously try to avoid.

Leave it Beast89. For your own health and good. No point discussing or countering "your facts". Same story as usual. All it comes down to at the end of the day is your obsession with the House of Saud and may I say Arabs as a whole although you can deny it all you want to. Not interested and nothing personal.

 

[Azizam]

nobody beats them at that bro. now ISIS is paying them back by playing with their beheaded heads.

Do they have a big problem with ISIS? Even hazzy is a supporter of ISIS as long as they chant the usual line of "death to x" but with no action of course.

Gaza Salafists pledge allegiance to ISIS - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East