The Second Indo-Chinese War (2013-2015)

[JayAtl]

You are funny. Think that when China attacks taiwan, india then go on and stabe China in the back. LOL, you think we dont know your "genius" plan? What do you think Pakistan is there for?

Well, let me answer your question. We Chinese support Pakistan, UNCOIDITIONLLY. Anything in the Chinese arsnel such as the NEWEST J-20 will be in Pakistan's inventory. Pakistan is there to gaurd our back and we Chinese are there to guard their pack.

Now image if Taiwan and China go to war and if india dare to attck China, then China and Pakistan join and attack india from North, West, and East. You tell me the outcome.

did you read his post? can you re read it. I think you had a fit over something he has not even pontificated in his post.

 

[below_freezing]

If India wants to get involved in a 2 front war with China, we've fought 2 front wars before. 1969 against Soviets was same time we fought against US in Vietnam. The outcome can only be the same as the British in India. Don't even think about nukes, 1 Chinese nuke has more power than all of India's added together.

 

[AerospaceEngineer]

HongHu, you forgot to point out one important aspect of warfare.

Space warfare. In the initial phase of the war. Chinese will lunch anti-satalite attack agains indian satalites, india only has a small amout of satalites and completely rely on imports. Wipe out their satalite will given the Chinese a decisive advantage, it will render india's spying, bomb guiding ability to utter zero. Then the real war begins.

1. Indian will attack, but Tibet is huge and very empty. Chinese will deploy many HQ-9A, S-300 there alone with many J-11B, J-10A/B and KJ-2000, KJ-200. It will be in a huge favor for the Chinese to fight in Tibet.

2. Let Indian sink deep in to Tibet, can not withdraw nor advance. Withdraw, not possible, because they have to once again cross the Himalaya. Advance, ok but to where? Into the swan? Thouands of miles of empty land!

3. Counter attack begins, first circle all the incoming indian troops. Lunch missile attack against their airfield, and try to knock out as many transport as possible. Trapped indians with out support from the air and supplry from transports? You tell me the outcome. 1962 happening again.

4. Advance into enemy zone. Our troops get into Pakistan and attack from westt side where it is flat which is great for armor and infantry battle. Gather air support, artily, tanks alone with Pakistani military attack from west side. Kashimir, Deli, and others you name it.

5. Game over.

 

[AerospaceEngineer]

If India wants to get involved in a 2 front war with China, we've fought 2 front wars before. 1969 against Soviets was same time we fought against US in Vietnam. The outcome can only be the same as the British in India. Don't even think about nukes, 1 Chinese nuke has more power than all of India's added together.

Nukes? Why use nukes?

I can tell you that if India or China ever use nukes it will BE INDA FIRST using it. We will of course lunch counter attack!

 

[Badabing]

I see a lot of mentioning of "alliances" with SK, Japan and Taiwan. SK and Japan can not do without the Chinese market and Taiwan is all tied up with China economically at her jugular. If such alliances do take place, India's new allies will be more as liabilities than anything else. Taiwan's troops are not going to put up a fight against the PLA, SK already knows what happened in the Korean War and throughout history. Japanese will avoid war with China like the plague because they know there is a 30 million-live score to settle. Japan is not going to risk being wiped off of the map. All these are export dependent, sesame seed sized countries that can't take a hit. Why bother with them? Has anyone bothered to check what their willingness is on an alliance with India? Not much going on there. As far as ignoramuses mentioning Vietnam's victory over China in '79, all they need to know is that both times Chinese troops reached the outskirts of the respective capitols of New Deli and Hanoi in two weeks and both of them appealed to their "allies" in Russia and US so that the PLA wouldn't push into those two capitols. How the hell do you claim victory when you can hear the other side's cannon fire during your Parliment sessions. As far as India's warfare records go? India was never even a united country before 1947 so that says a plenty about how successful they have been on the battlefields.

You are much better off as a "pardner" with the US or Russia but don't expect a seat at the table. You will be serving their meals as you have been. "Another beer here boy, and a refill for my Vodka chugging buddy!"

 

[AerospaceEngineer]

I see a lot of mentioning of "alliances" with SK, Japan and Taiwan. SK and Japan can not do without the Chinese market and Taiwan is all tied up with China economically at her jugular. If such alliances do take place, India's new allies will be more as liabilities than anything else. Taiwan's troops are not going to put up a fight against the PLA, SK already knows what happened in the Korean War and throughout history. Japanese will avoid war with China like the plague because they know there is a 30 million-live score to settle. Japan is not going to risk being wiped off of the map. All these are export dependent, sesame seed sized countries that can't take a hit. Why bother with them? Has anyone bothered to check what their willingness is on an alliance with India? Not much going on there. As far as ignoramuses mentioning Vietnam's victory over China in '79, all they need to know is that both times Chinese troops reached the outskirts of the respective capitols of New Deli and Hanoi in two weeks and both of them appealed to their "allies" in Russia and US so that the PLA wouldn't push into those two capitols. How the hell do you claim victory when you can hear the other side's cannon fire during your Parliment sessions. As far as India's warfare records go? India was never even a united country before 1947 so that says a plenty about how successful they have been on the battlefields.

You are much better off as a "pardner" with the US or Russia but don't expect a seat at the table. You will be serving their meals as you have been. "Another beer here boy, and a refill for my Vodka chugging buddy!"

LOL, Indian alliance with WHO? I can tell you that if war ever breaks out NO one will help India. NO ONE! Not even Russia.

USA will be so happy, singing and dancing with joy. Even if Chinese win. Chinese will suffer losses, and its encomy will get hurt and that is exactly what the americans want! USA will not send one troop, one ship, one plane to help india. Europeen also watching, Japan watching but worrying, Chinese wins they are NEXT. SK, lol do NOTHING but watching. SK will not have the gutts to attack NK even if China and Pakistan fights India. NK got nukes and NK will not hesiate to use it on SK.

 

[AerospaceEngineer]

To put it this way, no one in this world deep inside their hearts wants to fight the Chinese except the indians. Indians are so decived that they think they can take the Chinese on. The Americans know that so well that is why they are so "sweet" to the indians.

In 1998 India is heavily sanctioned by the west due to nuck testing. Then in 2004 everything changed.

1. When GW Bush first became president his first words are to keep China down, he say the eye pooping development of China not just in enconomy but in all aspects are unacceptble. However Osma Bin Ladin came out and bombed the towers and that give the Chinese another 8 years of developments. In 2008 Bush became "Sweet" to both india and China attending the 2008 Olympic offcourse and saying China is BIG and important meanwhile making out with india. lol

2. Everyday when Uncle Sam wakes up the first thing he does is to looking at China's growth. Then BOOM Uncle Sam realized and all of a SUDDEN india became so "SWEET".

3. Forget about all the sanctions, forget about all the past bad memory, india is america's "best" friend now, lol. and the indians believed it. lol again.

4. buying lots of stuffs from USA, well actually not that much at all except some transports, helis, maybe fighters, and ships. Building an "allince" that will last for "1000s" of years to come with india, while keep borrowing trillions of dollars from the evil Chinese. lol

5. Saying great things about the greatest democracy and English speaking country in the world pumping indians up and up and up.

6. You know what is gonna happen next. lol

 

[sraja]

Hey War mongering Chinese communist Nazi fanatics, Remember what happened to Nazi germany?. The attitude of today's China is similar to What nazi germany behaved in 1930s, expansion of borders with land grabbing, threatening neighbors with military power, ethnic cleansing minorities etc. Brag all your want with your russian copy weapons. But, don't forget what happened to Nazi Germany at the end. We most of Asia will unit to fight you. You have enemies everywhere. You have problems with Vietman. You have problems with Japan. You have problems with Philippines, Indonesia, Taiwan. And, with US. We will unite and fight you. At the end, Tibet will be freed. XinXinang will be freed. Inner mongolia will be freed. A Democratic world friendly China will be born and Asia and world be more peaceful after that. India and China will become more friends as Tibet will act as buffer like as it was in historically. This is what is going to happen. Your arrogance will become your downfall.

 

[AerospaceEngineer]

Hey War mongering Chinese communist Nazi fanatics, Remember what happened to Nazi germany?. The attitude of today's China is similar to What nazi germany behaved in 1930s, expansion of borders with land grabbing, threatening neighbors with military power, ethnic cleansing minorities etc. Brag all your want with your russian copy weapons. But, don't forget what happened to Nazi Germany at the end. We most of Asia will unit to fight you. You have enemies everywhere. You have problems with Vietman. You have problems with Japan. You have problems with Philippines, Indonesia, Taiwan. And, with US. We will unite and fight you. At the end, Tibet will be freed. XinXinang will be freed. Inner mongolia will be freed. A Democratic world friendly China will be born and Asia and world be more peaceful after that. India and China will become more friends as Tibet will act as buffer like as it was in historically. This is what is going to happen. Your arrogance will become your downfall.

Nice try man, but it is not gonna work. Not on me.

 

[girishktyagi]

You are funny. Think that when China attacks taiwan, india then go on and stabe China in the back. LOL, you think we dont know your "genius" plan? What do you think Pakistan is there for?

Well, let me answer this question. We Chinese support Pakistan, UNCOIDITIONLLY. Anything in the Chinese arsnel such as the NEWEST J-20 will be in Pakistan's inventory. Pakistan is there to gaurd our back and we Chinese are there to guard their pack.

Now image if Taiwan and China go to war and if india dare to attck China, then China and Pakistan join and attack india from North, West, and East. You tell me the outcome.

Well stabing at the back is an attribute of Chinese. Remember 1962? when India China celebrated there friendship but then China followed with a surprise attack?

Also, I no ware mentioned India will attack China. Did I? read it with wide open eyes.

Rather, I specifically mentioned that India will never attack China.

As far as your friendship with Pakistan is concerned, then let me tell you. You guys are natural partners because

1. China and Pakistan share their thought on suppressing democracy and promoting ruling of elites (PLA, communist in China) and (Military, ISI in Pakistan) over their masses.

2. China need foolish Pakistan to mingle with India who is only going to challenge China in every field in many years to come.

3. Pakistan is a professional country who has mastered the suicidal art. They will suicide while fighting against India on the command of China. Well? they hardly need any development and stability in their country. (just look that their history till today) They are mare terror factory of the World today.

Now lets look at some serious reasons.

1. China need alternative to Sea lanes passing from Indian ocean for its oil, gas and trade. Pakistan is the best alternative as it can provide land access. They have already developed Gwader port for the same and developing road access to the port as well.

2. China need Pakistan's help to restrain Islamic terror away from its Xinijing (pls correct the name if wrong) province which as seen ethic and religious voilance recently.

3. Chinese want to access Afghanistan for its resources and been close to Pakistan will defiantly help them for the same.

from Pakistan's point of view, China is like a god father for them after US who will take care of them in providing economic aid and weapons in future. Also Pakistan think that China will come in its rescue in case of its war with India.

I can only assure Pakistanis and my Chinese fellow the below mentioned things.

1. There is a distinct possibility of war between India and China as they have more to lose then gain in war.

2. Its a remote possibility that China will involve in Indo Pakistan conflict (they may provide guns though ) as they have huge trade relationship at stake which is already 60 billion+ and will be 100 billion by 2015 (i.e 75% of entire Pakistan GDP).

3. Also Chinese leaders are no foolish (just like their friend Pakistan) who generally underestimate India's defense strength along with after effect of war with India in terms of global economy and relationship with other countries.

4. The world is more comfortable with India's growth then of Chinese. Just look at how everyone is alarmed with Chinese 5th generation fighter program which will be inducted by 2018 where as no adverse discussion on India/Russia program which will also be ready for induction by 2018.

Japan as already declared defence preparation against possible Chinese threat. Not to forget US relationship.

India's growth will be real peaceful as compare to Chinese one as the world is busy talking about China, where as India is already second fastest economy, and 3 most preferred FDI destination with massive defense modernization program.

Your eyes will popup with astonishment with India's growth in every sphere in next 10 years where will be

1. Become UNSE permanent member
2. Undisputed defense power with strong navy, military and air force,
3. Fabulous defense and economy relationship with US/Russia/EU/Japan (well with everyone except Pakistan and China)
4. We will overtake China by 2014 as fastest growing domestic oriented economy in the World.
5. Second most favorite FDI destination after China.
6. Apart from IT/ITES/BDO/R&D powerhouse, we will pose a grave challenges to China in manufacturing. (Well Chinese labour is already getting expensive and aging population with 35.5 maiden age)
7. India is already the country with youngest and highly skilled people who are ready to take on with everyone HEAD TO HEAD.

its your choice to be partner of India or the enemy. Safety first.

--cheers

 

[AGHORI]

You are funny. Think that when China attacks taiwan, india then go on and stabe China in the back. LOL, you think we dont know your "genius" plan? What do you think Pakistan is there for?

Well, let me answer this question. We Chinese support Pakistan, UNCOIDITIONLLY. Anything in the Chinese arsnel such as the NEWEST J-20 will be in Pakistan's inventory. Pakistan is there to gaurd our back and we Chinese are there to guard their pack.

Now image if Taiwan and China go to war and if india dare to attck China, then China and Pakistan join and attack india from North, West, and East. You tell me the outcome.

Man you are very funny. Do you think that we are not aware of your "genius" plan? why do you think the Indian military is preparing for a two front war? India is very important to both, the US and Russia, do you think they are going to keep quiet? Especially the US? why do you think the US is arming India with sophisticated weapons? why do you think it is allowing israel to sell advanced weapons to India? why do you think US and India are conducting so many military exercises? If china and pakistan attack India then the US will jump in as it regards India as a counterweight to china and it cannot allow weakening of India as that would make china too powerful in the region and this will be detrimental to the american strategic interests.
Now you tell me the outcome

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Well stabing at the back is an attribute of Chinese. Remember 1962? when India China celebrated there friendship but then China followed with a surprise attack?

Also, I no ware mentioned India will attack China. Did I? read it with wide open eyes.

Wrong.

This false narrative has been so deeply ingrained in the Indian psyche. Here are the facts:

1959: India hosts the Tibetan government in exile, immediately after they failed to overthrow the Chinese government. India hosted our largest separatist group, all while singing the false song of "Hindi Chini bhai bhai".

1962: As if that was not bad enough, in this year came Nehru's forward policy, which led to the Sino-Indian war. After this, China and Pakistan became much closer, due to having a mutual enemy.

It was INDIA who backstabbed China, by hosting our largest separatist group on their soil, even after coming up with that ridiculous LIE, of "Hindi Chini bhai bhai".

its your choice to be partner of India or the enemy. Safety first.

India already made this choice. The result is that both of India's largest neighbours (China+Pakistan) are now rivals.

 

[AGHORI]

@Aerospace Engineer. As far as the question of china attacking Taiwan is concerned, US has made it clear some time back that it will defend Taiwan at all costs in case of an armed attack on Taiwan. Do you think china is in a position to take on the US in a direct war?

And India attacking china when china attacks Taiwan? I don't think India would want to get involved in an unnecessary war. Protecting Taiwan is not a part of our policy. so relax.

 

[IND151]

there must not be war between china and India. if it occurs it will have devastating on both nations. both nations can not risk their economies. India should do its best to its economic and military might. when India will rise after 25 or 30 years later as economic superpower we will have greater impact on world politics. then we can solve Tibet problem as we want due to our enormous economic weight. our status as economic superpower will allow us to built massive and highly advanced army, air force,navy and nuclear missile forces. thus due to our massive military and economic might china will have to solve Tibet problem through diplomacy. if we want solve Tibet problem we have to be very mighty.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Man you are very funny. Do you think that we are not aware of your "genius" plan? why do you think the Indian military is preparing for a two front war? India is very important to both, the US and Russia, do you think they are going to keep quiet? Especially the US? why do you think the US is arming India with sophisticated weapons? why do you think it is allowing israel to sell advanced weapons to India? why do you think US and India are conducting so many military exercises? If china and pakistan attack India then the US will jump in as it regards India as a counterweight to china and it cannot allow weakening of India as that would make china too powerful in the region and this will be detrimental to the american strategic interests.
Now you tell me the outcome

LOL, you do know that the USA's closest partner in the region has always been Pakistan, right?

In the 1970's war, America even sent a carrier group to intimidate India, and to show support to Pakistan.

And today, due to the WoT, the USA-Pakistan alliance has become even more important for America.

Regarding the USA and China, this is what Obama said:

The relationship between the US and China will shape the 21st Century, President Barack Obama has said, as top officials met in Washington for talks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8169869.stm

The USA and China have the two largest economies on Earth (India is not even in the top ten largest economies) and share the largest bilateral economic relationship in the world. China+Pakistan combined are strategically/economically vital for America, unlike India. India has always aligned itself with Russia.