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I am sorry, is this article still relevant, considering it was written in January 13, 2001 ?

the guy who wrote the article is a genius```because he will be the only Indian that can 'predict' the future with pinpoint 'accuracy'````back to 2001 delusional Indians will laugh at him, with 'will this', 'will that'````whats now? ```the joke 3rd gen plane is still testing when all the major air powers are busy inducting 4.5 and 5th gen fighters
 
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the guy who wrote the article is a genius```because he will be the only Indian that can 'predict' the future with pinpoint 'accuracy'````back to 2001 delusional Indians will laugh at him, with 'will this', 'will that'````whats now? ```the joke 3rd gen plane is still testing when all the major air powers are busy inducting 4.5 and 5th gen fighters

The LCA Tejas is a 4th generation jet due to some salient features:

1] Quadruplex fly-by-wire.
2] All weather, multi-role capability.
3] Multi-mode radar of range 100 kms.
4] Cockpit of international standards with HOTAS, multiple MFDs, and advanced HUD.
(Photo of cockpit: Aerospaceweb.org | Aircraft Museum - Cockpit Panels)
5] Capability to carry BVR weapons, and laser-guided bombs. Has laser pod, and FLIR.

Link:
GlobalSecurity.org - Reliable Military News and Military Information ... ia/lca.htm

It can easily compare to any 4th generation fighter jet of today like the JAS-49 Grippen, J-10, or even the F-16.
 
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the guy who wrote the article is a genius```because he will be the only Indian that can 'predict' the future with pinpoint 'accuracy'````back to 2001 delusional Indians will laugh at him, with 'will this', 'will that'````whats now? ```the joke 3rd gen plane is still testing when all the major air powers are busy inducting 4.5 and 5th gen fighters

MAJOR AIR POWER

LCA Tejas will be India's additional aircraft for medium role combat missions after Indo-Russian 5th generation fighter aircraft PAK-FA, Under-development indigenous 5th Gen AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft), Indo Russian 4.5 Gen Su-30MKI and to-be-inducted 126 4.5 Gen MRCA Dassualt Rafael (Multi Role Combat Aircraft).
 
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MAJOR AIR POWER

LCA Tejas will be India's additional aircraft for medium role combat missions after Indo-Russian 5th generation fighter aircraft PAK-FA, Under-development
another Vikramaditya, but with more puring money and delays

indigenous 5th Gen AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft),
this must be a joke, but with much grander failure than LCA, as so far India hasnt yet made an operational 3rd, 4th gen fighter indigenously, it will end up direct importing of sub systems from others like LCA

Indo Russian 4.5 Gen Su-30MKI and to-be-inducted 126 4.5 Gen MRCA Dassualt Rafael (Multi Role Combat Aircraft).

these two are the closest to reality
 
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A little dated article, hence i post it in this section, whatever developments may have taken place in the last decade, this article none the less blows the cover on how indigenous the Indian fighter actually is or rather is not. It's amazing that despite all the international help and input, the LCA has taken this long to be inducted into service.

Last month, Indian defence authorities quietly announced that India's prestigious Light Combat Aircraft, originally to have become operational in 1995, will not achieve that status before 2015. The euphoria over the first flight of the prototype a few days later, however, helped to push that stark news off the front pages.

The LCA programme was initiated in 1983 by the Defence Research and Development Organisation, with three widely publicised assertions. One, that it would be an indigenous project catapulting India into the rarefied ranks of global aviation powers. Two, the aircraft would enter frontline squadron service by 1995. And three, the project would only cost Rs 700 crores (Rs 7 billion).

What actually happened between 1983 and 2000? First, let us take the promise of indigenous development. In 1986 an agreement was quietly signed with the United States that permitted DRDO to work with four US Air force laboratories. The to-be-indigenously-developed engine for the LCA -- Kaveri -- was forgotten and the US made General Electric F-404 engine was substituted. Radar was sourced from Erricson Ferranti, carbon-fibre composite panels for wings from Alenia and fly-by-wire controls from Lockheed Martin. Design help was sought from British Aerospace, Avion Marcel Dassault and Deutsche Aerospace. Wind tunnel testing was done in the US, Russia and France. As for armaments -- missiles, guns, rockets and bombs -- every last item was to be imported.

As for operational induction, anyone who knew anything about fighter aircraft development or the capabilities of the DRDO would have known that the envisaged 12-year time frame (1983-1995) was /pure make-believe.

Yet, as late as 1990, DRDO asserted that the 1995 target would be met. It was only when 1995 drew closer that the talk shifted from operational induction to test flights. In 1998, the defence minister stated that the first test flight would take place in 1999. The first flight finally took place a few days ago, 17 years after the project started.

As for the project cost, the original budget was Rs 700 crores. It was later revised to Rs 3,000 crores (Rs 30 billion). It would easily go past Rs 10,000 crores (Rs 100 billion) before the aircraft is inducted into operational service. And that is with DRDO incurring only about a quarter of the overall development costs. Not included are the cost of the huge amounts of foreign equipment being fitted; engine, radar, electronic warfare and communication equipment, high-stress body panels, cockpit displays and the entire range of armament.

Initially it was stated that the per copy price of an LCA would be Rs 10 crores (Rs 100 million). It would be a miracle if the LCA can ever be produced at less than Rs 150 crores (Rs 1.5 billion) a copy. And if the LCA is eventually inducted in 2015, what will the Indian Air Force get? It will get an aircraft at best comparable to first generation F-16s.

One of the DRDO's favourite phrases is 'state of the art,' and according to them everything of the LCA is state of the art. In the fighter aircraft field, to be state of the art, at least from 1990, an aircraft must be designed for 'stealth', that is having virtually no radar or thermal signature. Not even DRDO has so far claimed that the LCA is a stealth aircraft, or that it is capable of being made into one. Forget stealth, the LCA is incapable of any significant upgrading at all during its lifetime. It is a very small, single-engined aircraft tightly packed with equipment. It cannot be fitted with a bigger engine or expanded avionics.

What prompted the DRDO to conceive the LCA when Israel, technologically far more advanced than India, had abandoned its Lavi fighter project after spending more than $ 2 billion on it? Aircraft development costs had mounted so much by then that far richer-countries compared to India such as Britain, France and Germany had realised that unless they formed multinational consortia it would not be possible for them to develop sophisticated, modern aircraft. That is why beginning the late 1970s we have had Eurofighters and Eurocopters, where three or four countries share costs and buying commitments.

It can be said with certainty that the LCA will never become a frontline fighter with the Indian Air Force. The Mirage 2000s and the Mig-29s that the air force has been flying from the 1980s have superior capabilities to any LCA that might be inducted in 2015, 2020 or 2025. So the most prudent thing for the government would be to immediately terminate the LCA project. National and individual egos have been satisfied after the first flight.

The Rs 3,000 crores or so that have spent so far could be put down as the price of a valuable learning experience. We would have undoubtedly gained valuable knowledge in many areas of aircraft design and engineering. But of much greater value, we would have gained the understanding that defence R&D is not a make-believe game to be played by exploiting the fascination for techno-nationalism.

The LCA ranks alongside DRDO's other monumental failures such as the Arjun tank, the Trishul and the Akash missiles, and the Kaveri engine. The time and cost overruns on these projects have been enormous. The story of the Arjun is well known.

With the induction of the T-90, there is no way the Arjun is going to spearhead India's armoured divisions. In fact there are many who believe that the T-72 inducted two decades ago is a better tank than the Arjun. The reality of Arjun seems to be finally sinking in, and it would appear that it might end up not as a battle tank, but as a platform for a 155mm howitzer.

The short-range, surface-to-air-missile Trishul was to be fitted on three Indian Navy frigates in 1992. A decade later, the missile is still carrying out "successful" tests, long after the frigates have been completed. The same story goes for the medium-range, surface-to-air missile Akash and the anti-tank missile Nag.

During the last 20 years, DRDO has fine-tuned the art of selling projects. To start with, don't be timid and aim low. In true Parkinsonian style, the more ambitious the project, greater the chance of it being sanctioned. When the presentation is made to the minister, be generous with phrases such as "state-of-the art". Also mention that we will be the third country in the world to produce the equipment. (It is always the "third" as even the minister knows that the USA and Russia already produce the same).

If a service chief demurs, make snide remarks about how the services want to import everything. And keep the estimated cost of the project absurdly low. Once the project is sanctioned, feed the media with a steady stream of unverifiable tidbits. Bring out a mock-up model and show it round at the Republic Day parade and defence exhibitions.

In recent times DRDO and India's defence services have evolved a modus vivendi. No longer does DRDO oppose imports, provided they are allowed to continue with their projects. Thus, import Su-30s and develop the LCA. Import T-90 tanks and produce Arjun. Import Israeli UAV and continue with a similar indigenous project. The only victim in this you-scratch-my-back-I-scratch-yours game is the Indian taxpayer, who unfortunately does not seem to care.

rediff.com: Admiral J G Nadkarni (retd) on the sad tale of the Light Combat Aircraft

11 year old article...seriously.. is that the best you could do ...spent a sleepless night digging out anything negative about India and that's the best you could find....
 
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11 year old article...seriously.. is that the best you could do ...spent a sleepless night digging out anything negative about India and that's the best you could find....

11 years ago someone with a common sense said LCA is gonna be a sad story``and now the time has proven he is right```

accept the bitter reality```the reason LCA is a joke is because this project was led by a delusion
 
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Its not complete until its complete.
 
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11 years ago someone with a common sense said LCA is gonna be a sad story``and now the time has proven he is right```

accept the bitter reality```the reason LCA is a joke is because this project was led by a delusion

For you it will be tough to understand...coz this is not a copy paste Job.
 
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The way this program is run I have to say this is shamefull and pathetic. Tell me one electronic, missile, engine, even the displays in cockpit is indegineous. What is the meaning of Indian in this plane when nothing is Indian.

K even if nothing is India it's time to mass produce this plane now. Radars can be replaced later on. :hitwall:. China is ready with J-31 lol and we are haing troubles with worlds smallest plane.
 
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The LCA was bound to take this long. It was too ambitious a project. After HAL Marut which was a second generation plane, they jumped directly to building a 4th generation plane. All other countries normally work through generations. They have their failures too, but knowledge is accumulated over time, not discovered suddenly just because you undertake a project that is out of your league.

For instance, China got their Mig 21 tech specs from Russia back in 1965 or so. They found lots of design flaws and started working on it. The first Russian equivalent of the Mig 21, ie the F7, flew in 1986, almost 20 years later. And this was just correcting design flaws, not even designing and making everything from scratch. France of all countries built Dassault over a period of 20 years too. So aircraft making is no joke. There will be lots of humiliating failures, but we need to press on. It doesnt matter how much money is spent, how many failures there are but we need to learn and keep moving forward.

But DRDO needs to do it intelligently. Unnecessary pride factor is what is pulling DRDO down. Add to that that the organization has no skilled scientists (for the most part) because of brain drain, it is understandable why everything takes so long. They should learn to bring in private players, get into joint ventures and learn from those first before attempting to develop fighter planes.
 
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scrap this project just eating india's money and nothing more
 
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scrap this project just eating india's money and nothing more

Sorry bro but this plane is noo too damm far to scrap.

I would rather say replace all the remaining critical parts of the plane like Radar(under development), missiles and mass produce it. It can be produced in huge numbers and is a good replacement for Mig 21
 
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